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Forum Post: I wonder how many of the trolls on here are paid Republican workers?

Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 1, 2011, 9:13 p.m. EST by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ
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I find it hard to believe that any intelligent Americans would be so disparaging to working class Americans who are just trying to save our country from greedy criminals that have purchased our freedoms and our futures.

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[-] 4 points by Dalton (194) 13 years ago

Well, they're not intelligent Americans, are they? Mystery solved.

And you don't have to pay stupid people to be stupid. They enjoy it.

[-] 1 points by classicliberal (312) 13 years ago

Well, if "smart" people steal from others in the name of "justice", then thank heaven I'm stupid.

[-] 1 points by Dalton (194) 13 years ago

Your ravings, while inadvertently amusing, do not appear to relate to the real world in any way.

[-] 0 points by classicliberal (312) 13 years ago

Kind of like your mom lol

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 13 years ago

Have you heard any good jokes lately. Your comments sure are not that funny.

You folks need to lighten up. Your so uptight most of you are not making much sense - unless pulling down some one else is how you make sense out of your comments.

[-] 1 points by buik (380) from Towson, MD 13 years ago

oh come on it was a good mom joke, as mom jokes go : )

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 13 years ago

Depends on your Mom - living or deceased. Can be rather offensive.

[-] 1 points by buik (380) from Towson, MD 13 years ago

hey was that another mom joke??!! my mom is not offensive : (

: )

[-] 0 points by classicliberal (312) 13 years ago

Your mom is a joke. And she's funny.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 13 years ago

Find another line of work. You are dying here.

[-] 0 points by classicliberal (312) 13 years ago

Your mom found a line of work and died from STDs.

[-] -1 points by ronjj (-241) 13 years ago

Classic idiot. I want my money back, with interest.

[-] 1 points by classicliberal (312) 13 years ago

Interest? Isn't that a greedy capitalist invention? lol

Your mom wouldn't give me my money back either, so we're even.

[-] 1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Thank you!

[-] 2 points by buik (380) from Towson, MD 13 years ago

reading through this post, i dont think they are of employable caliber...

republicans might pay them to shut up, tho : )

[-] 2 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Great response!

[-] 1 points by OWSreferee (9) from New York, NY 13 years ago

Just like people making dumb partisan remarks on a joint movement?

[-] 1 points by Febs (824) from Plymouth Meeting, PA 13 years ago

Judging from the coffers of the RNC - not many. The national and state Republican organizations are almost broke.

[-] 1 points by brightonsage (4494) 13 years ago

Read the titles of the threads and DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME responding. Sure, some of them are paid. Some may be confused about their self interests.

Don't take the bait. You are wasting your e-breath. Pointless chatter isn't helping. Think of something you can do that matters.

Remember, "People get the government they deserve." We have what we have because people are lazy, with respect to informing themselves, and ignoring propaganda. Deserve better government and you will get it.

Work to get the money out of the election process and other government corruption.

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 13 years ago

Their mostly doing it because they want to. The Tea Party that is/Republicans/religious right. there all in one like the trinity.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 13 years ago

most petition runners in CA

[-] 1 points by whynot (34) 13 years ago

I'm a paid troll.....but not by the Republicans....what do u do when your movement is faltering, growing stagnant and dull? U pay trolls to stir up stuff to keep the posts going.....it's not a bad gig either.

[-] 1 points by pissedoffconstructionworker (602) 13 years ago

There's no need to pay them. Millions of right-leaning trolls out there are happy to fuck with this site just for fun,and because the unmoderated, anything-goes, non-hierarchical nature of OWS makes it easy.

Here's a great article, by Mark Ames of Exiled Magazine, on the spiteful nature of the American right-wing voter, aka the trolls:

http://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/

[-] 1 points by beardy (282) 13 years ago

Koch brothers sends us our checks every other friday.

[-] 1 points by GeorgeMichaelBluth (402) from Arlington, VA 13 years ago

Like Obama?

[-] 1 points by flamingliberal (138) 13 years ago

all of them they gotta protect their golden goose.

[-] 1 points by juco (77) 13 years ago

1%.

[-] 1 points by harry2 (113) 13 years ago

There are many brainwashed people all over, that are lost not knowing what to do after being manipulated over the last 50 Years
by media,political nonsense and corporate greed suppression and religious for profit communities.

The internet is opening up there minds since the lat 10years. Open communication was what is needed to understand that.

[-] 1 points by HappyLove (143) 13 years ago

Let them be paid; at least that gives them a job. Something republicans are usually not so good at creating.

[-] 1 points by OneVoice (153) 13 years ago

Gov. Cuomo is a liberal on social issues. He would like nothing more than to crush you and stop your attacks on his close personal friends. When Gov. Cuomo created the "Committee to Save NY" he wasn't thinking about the middle or lower class worker. Don't believe that nyc trolls are Republican.

[-] -1 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

We wish they were Republican... Albany is a cesspool. And they're killing the working and lower middle class.

[-] 2 points by OneVoice (153) 13 years ago

Albany politics is interesting in that we are in a state where you can be socially liberal in both political groups and fiscally conservative in both groups too. Of course, socially liberal politicians are found closer to nyc or Buffalo but Gov. Cuomo is the classic David Koch platform politician. Andrew Cuomo identifies with Andrew Farkas and the wealthy monied elite who are in position to finance his run for President. Governor Cuomo doesn't speak about his time at Island Capital LLC and the millions he made setting up a highly profitable securitization market in Dubai. Democrats have no desire to change their dependency on corporate cash and the ability to turn their political position into a lucrative corporate private job when they leave elected service.

[-] 1 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

And what's even scarier is there is decidedly less compassion for the working and middle classes. And a complete lack of ethics.

[-] 1 points by odiug (93) 13 years ago

What ... you think people can't be stupid on their own? Most actually are!

[-] 1 points by Socrates469bc (608) from New York, NY 13 years ago

They are probably outsourced workers in places like India, or the Philippines.

If they are based in America, they are psychopaths. Check out Dr. Robert Hare's site to learn more about those critters. They are particularly rife on Wall St.

http://www.hare.org/

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[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 13 years ago

Hi PuerAeternus, Good post. They are here, which shows how concerned the Republican/corporation complex is. They are just increasing our resolve. Best Regards, Nevada

[-] 0 points by getajoblosers (65) 13 years ago

I'm a troll...and I'm not being paid a dime for it. I am offering my services for free! It is a pleasure to annoy OWS!

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 13 years ago

I'm not sure, but OWS is paying a few spammers with their donations in order to stifle free speech and plurality of thought. Look for extremely long winded texts without paragraphs. Those are courtesy of your donations.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 13 years ago

To understand WHAT MAKES A TROLL TICK - AND have a chuckle while you're at it - go to:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-trolls-think-trollosophy-exposed/

[-] 0 points by madehero2000 (50) 13 years ago

I find it fascinating that the GOP is accused of paying individuals to combat this movement. These people are doing plenty to discredit themselves without help from outside sources. There have also been multiple instances of unions paying people to participate in these protests, this includes video interviews of union members commenting on the matter and craigslist jobs postings offering money to attend 'Occupy' events.

[-] 1 points by Sophia1982 (36) 13 years ago

Liar.

[-] 1 points by madehero2000 (50) 13 years ago

You will most likely try to shrug this off because of the source, but it is video evidence supporting my claim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmfZQ8oHZdg

I have also personally seen the craigslist job postings; however, they were removed after the media started discussing the protesters being paid for being present.

[-] 1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Well yeah, the Unions should be supporting the movement. And yes, the GOP is doing everything they can to stop this movement. Why did you even bother?

[-] 1 points by madehero2000 (50) 13 years ago

They have spoken out against the movement and its unlawful behavior; however, I have seen them do little to stop the movement.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

All think all of the partisan efforts are rather despicable but they are obvious everywhere.

[-] 0 points by Nyarlathotep (13) 13 years ago

I'd think that they have better things to do. It's rather difficult for anyone with any education in economics to take this protest seriously.

[-] 5 points by sunshower (80) 13 years ago

apparantly you don't have better things to do, or you wouldn't be here

[-] 2 points by HappyLove (143) 13 years ago

Good point.

[-] 1 points by juco (77) 13 years ago

Are you kidding?? This is the funniest site ever on the web, seriously!! We get an inside view as to the "thought process" of OWS, which is essentially working to its detriment. Not kidding, it is hilarious to see how many people (maybe not you) reason and make decisions in life.

[-] 1 points by sunshower (80) 13 years ago

We could say the same about you -
We get an inside view as to your "thought process", which are essentially working to your detriment. Not kidding either.

[-] -1 points by Jimboiam (812) 13 years ago

Isn't that the truth. It appears that the mods and organizers are communists who want a revolution to completely overthrow the government, but are not willing to be violent, because they know they will get shut down in a minute. Their hope is that they can rally more than the 50,000 people who support their protests before they turn it into a violent overthrow. Just look at their support of Oakland shutdown. Of course they don't care about the '99%ers' who will be hurt by that. They don't even care about the 21 people laid off, or the businesses that are about to shut down across the street from Zuccotti Park. They want to blame everything on the police. OWS=Narcissists

[-] 1 points by ksheila1 (25) from Jacksonville, FL 13 years ago

oh... look at what you just spouted... Keep up.. you are behind, Or did you just read a headline and not the story. The 21 people did not lose their jobs over protesters blocking or harassing. The problem was the police had barracades in the way. The owner finally got them to move them and he is now hiring back the 21 people. LOOK it up... But of course, you don't bother with all that right.

[-] 1 points by juco (77) 13 years ago

The other hilarious thing is to read the "Oakland Proposal" where it talks about their General Assembly voting. Even funnier is that it states directly that they are targeting the "1% in Oakland." If you add up 1% in Oakland, NY, Nashville, Austin, and DC - you get 5%!! In reality, in Oakland, they could only hope to "target" about 0.15% given the distribution of the 1% across the country.

[-] 0 points by Jimboiam (812) 13 years ago

Ever been to Oakland? there are no 1%ers there. They all live outside that cesspool.

[-] 2 points by meep (233) 13 years ago

Actually I've learned a lot from the people on this site and I'm pretty sure a number of them know more about economics than most of our politicians, and certainly more than what qualifies for a political/economic commentator these days. It doesn't take an "education in economics" to see that a huge and growing income disparity is the wrong direction for a nation that claims to love the American Dream. Nor to understand that austerity for the least wealthy is an acceptable sacrifice if we can keep taxes and regulations low for the wealthy. Nor to understand that some of the wealthiest most successful businessmen in our nation have already called shenanigans on the way this country is headed only to then be compared to commies. Absurd.

[-] 1 points by TheREAL99 (120) 13 years ago

Your post is an example of the not even half baked convoluted Economic Perpetual Motion Machines taught here as "Economics" created from insane mixtures of fact, fantasy & Marxist dogma.

History proves the strong correlation of Governments implementing Marxist ideologies (since everyone knows the disaster that is Marxism euphemisms such as "Social Justice", Fairness, "Pay their fair share", etc. must be used as cover) and slavery.

Marxism has only failed at horrific human cost everywhere/every time it has been tried worldwide.

Should the OWS band of Marxist malcontents succeed in agitating (organizing) the gullible & ignorant into implementing their ideology, we too could soon join the wonderful "Workers' Paradises" of Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, China, Soviet Union. Places SO wonderful you are shot if you try to leave.

Marxism is incompatible with truth which is why there is NO free press in the “Workers’ Paradise”

Please try to achieve even a slightest bit of an "education in economics" before posting here.

[-] 1 points by meep (233) 13 years ago

Couple problems with that:

A) I never said I was a Marxist. A growing income disparity hurts the ability for the middle class to become entrepreneurial and therefore hinders the effectiveness of the free market. If you allow the already wealthy to have unfair advantage you stifle creativity and competition. To my knowledge Marx never said that. It's not Marxist thinking, it's free market anti-monopoly thinking.

B) You are right, extreme forms of dictatorial Marxism have historically led to extreme suffering for all. But it is also true that extreme forms of pro-corporate policy historically led to the Railroad Tycoons and Oil Barons that paid workers $1 a month to work as much as 16 hours a day 6 days a week. I don't want to head in either direction and it looks to me like we are headed in the latter.

C) Forms of limited socialism have existed for decades in many European countries that have been extremely successful economically. Yes, there are countries like Greece that get into trouble, but that problem is primarily the result of an inability to reconcile politics with reality or arguably the problem of having the political autonomy of a nation but the monetary dependency of a state.

[-] 0 points by TheREAL99 (120) 13 years ago

A) I am with you on promoting the free market. I am not sure how the "wealthy" "stifle creativity and competition". I just don't understand that. I humbly ask for a short explanation or link to a concise example.

B) "Railroad Tycoons and Oil Barons that paid workers $1 a month to work as much as 16 hours a day 6 days a week"

I too used to think the Robbers were taking advantage until I realized people take a job because their other opportunities are worse. The Gov. offered monopolies to enable the massive capital investment required for the "moon shot" equivalent in the 1800's. I don't have the answer to enable such massive private investment without the monopolies. It is certain having the Government create & run the railroads would have been & is now a disaster. The jobs may not meet contemporary standards but were better than other alternatives in their day.

C) The implosion of the socialist Eastern European economies is not finished. In my opinion, also several economists, collapse is certain. Even Government cannot spend money it doesn't have forever.

[-] 1 points by meep (233) 13 years ago

I wouldn't say that the wealthy by their nature stifle creativity and competition. However, a growing income disparity limits the competitiveness of the entrepreneurial class, it's hard to compete with someone that can outspend you or with someone that can last longer in a price war. Also, some people would argue that high income disparity gives the wealthy an unfair political advantage because of the influence they can have on political campaigns or even on the news cycle. There is evidence that social mobility is lower than it used to be and lower than it is in other developed countries. Here is one source I found, and it may not be the best but it gets at the idea: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/17/social-immobility-climbin_n_501788.html

The problem with monopolistic power is that it creates less opportunities and makes the bad job the best option. I'm fairly neutral on the issue of minimum wage, because I understand your point about people looking for the best job they can get, and maybe it is better to have a low paying job than no job. On the other hand, is that reasonable when the company executives are making over 100 or even more than 10,000 times your salary? Is their labor really 10,000 times more valuable? And is it reasonable for executives to make that much money by laying people off and forcing the existing employees to work longer hours? The problem is that if you control the labor market and the product market then you can pay yourself as much as you want, the free market is gone. That is the direction that monopolies and extreme income disparity take us. Things aren't nearly as bad now as they were back then, not by a long shot, but I also don't want things to head in that direction either.

Yeah Eastern Europe is not doing great. Scandinavia, on the other hand, has some fairly extensive social programs, and they have among the highest GDP per capita in the world. Norway is above the US, and Sweden isn't too far behind the US. It's hard to make the absolute statement that all Marxist or socialist principles always lead to terrible human suffering and failure.

[-] 1 points by ksheila1 (25) from Jacksonville, FL 13 years ago

And maybe, you should try history.. Now, you don't have to go back that far.. Go back a bit to BEFORE the wealthy had all these loop holes and tax breaks. Then even look at why they got them in the first place.. Then look at what has happened since. Perhaps you need a little more education.

[-] 0 points by TheREAL99 (120) 13 years ago

As usual, despite facts hitting them like a hammer repeatedly in the head, the typical liberal just can't see what is so obvious to all others.

Before capitalism existed only grinding poverty for the many & luxury for the tyrannical rulers 160+ years of experimental history involving Billions or people proves Marxism has failed at horrific human cost every time it has been tried. Only by deceit & subterfuge can they hope to fool enough of the gullible & mentally deficient (Lenin's "Useful Idiots", see OWS for a large assorted collection) to seize power & impose their hideous, enslaving Marxism on the rest of us. That way we too can join the wonderful "Workers' Paradises" of Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, China, Soviet Union. Places SO wonderful you are shot if you try to leave.

Watch for the above to be labeled hate; demands for the above to be suppressed. Why? Because the truth interferes with the enslavement of the people by the Marxist.

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 13 years ago

Is that right OWS has changed the conversation back where it belongs on the Wall Street crooks, not the deficit and eliminating social security.

[-] 1 points by flamingliberal (138) 13 years ago

u dont have 2 be corrupt to make ends meet unless an education on economics means being a corporate thug.

[-] 1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

I highly doubt that you have ANY education in economics. All of the economic experts agree that the Republican policies of the last thirty years are what has caused this economic disaster. Own it.

[-] 1 points by Indy4Change (254) from Columbia, SC 13 years ago

You mean like when Clinton signed the bill to lift portions of the Glass-Steagall act (Graham-Leach-Bliley)- and opened the flood gates for toxic mortgages to be written?

[-] 1 points by Nyarlathotep (13) 13 years ago

International Business actually. That covers economics, government and Wall St.

[-] 1 points by madehero2000 (50) 13 years ago

I do not recall when you became the voice of all economic experts. Perhaps you should review Jimmy Carter's Fair and Affordable Housing Act and Bill Clinton's Anti-Predatory Lending Rule. Both pieces of legislation forced loan agglomerates to issue high risk loans in order to improve portfolios in poor communities. High risk loans were labeled the main cause of our economic problems, not Republican policies.

[-] 0 points by Jimboiam (812) 13 years ago

I have a degree in economics, and every economist i know, completely disagrees with that. The term 'Republican policies' is not even used in economic discussions. What is a 'republican or a democrat' economic policy? Are you coining a new phrase? Pitching partisan talking points into an economic argument shows that the person has already failed.

[-] 0 points by classicliberal (312) 13 years ago

Yes the Republican policies of the carter and clinton presidencies.

[-] -1 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 13 years ago

So Republican this, Democrat that... What has Obama done?

[-] -1 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

When everything is rosey the economics professor knows everything; when all is shit they know nothing. It's like the science of not.

[-] -2 points by NachoCheese (268) 13 years ago
[-] 2 points by Daennera (765) from Griffith, IN 13 years ago

You've got one English/History major who has mostly been a sensationalist journalist and another who's credentials I can't trace.

Nowhere to I see the words "Ph.D. in Economics"

[-] -1 points by NachoCheese (268) 13 years ago

Not that it's "credit on teh internetz" but a Ph.D. in Economics recommended that book to me.

Read it...don't read it...it's your choice.

[-] 1 points by Daennera (765) from Griffith, IN 13 years ago

And here we see the rule about having an degree being no replacement for common sense.

[-] 0 points by NachoCheese (268) 13 years ago

Have you read the book or just the review (if that)?

Common sense? The facts of government interference & collusion with corrupted business are there in the historical record.

[-] 1 points by Daennera (765) from Griffith, IN 13 years ago

I'm sure there have been instances of corruption in the historic record. Even the recent historic record. However, parsimony dictates we don't jump from the small amount of instances that are probable to conspiracy theory. Especially without hard evidence.

[-] 0 points by NachoCheese (268) 13 years ago

So you haven't read the book.

There is no conspiracy theory in the pushing of sub-prime mortgages by government for political purposes. Nor in the facts of how that sub-prime market was manipulated by Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac and sold to Wall Street under the implied government backing of the loans in case of default. How those practices by Fannie/Freddie were protected by powerful political interests. Nor were their a "small amount of instances" of inbreeding between government regulators and those they were supposed to regulate.

But then again, it sounds like you don't want to address that, do you? It is far easier to pretend it is some sort of "conspiracy theory" or "isolated instances of failure", all while ignoring the facts and changing the subject.

Enjoy.

[-] 1 points by Daennera (765) from Griffith, IN 13 years ago

Nothing you've stated was ever hidden from anyone. Everyone knows that's how mortgages worked. I really don't see why a book was written on this.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

Because some wanted a more detailed account.

[-] 0 points by NachoCheese (268) 13 years ago

Because the topic can not covered in sound bites. The serious flaws are complex and dangerous...and they are still there.

With all of the vehemence with which OWS attacks "the bankers", those that enabled, facilitated, justified and covered for them have escaped any judgment. In fact many of those responsibile for the housing collapse pay "lip service tribute" to OWS.

Lastly, the book does a good job of laying out the timeline of events that lead to the housing bubble and highlights points along the way where warning signs were ignored or dismissed. Given that the same systemic flaws still exist in the regulatory system, I would suggest the problem and its dangers are not as common knowledge as you seem to suggest.

[-] -1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

You are being laughed at.

[-] 0 points by classicliberal (312) 13 years ago

Your mom is being laughed at.

[-] 0 points by NachoCheese (268) 13 years ago

Is that all you've got? Seriously?

and to think, in a different comment you boasted about your debating skill...

smh

(sidenote: read the book. It is a good non-partisan analysis of the perfect storm of government interference & collusion with corrupted business. At least read the New York Times review of it -- hardly fox news amirite?)

[-] 0 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

What debate. Nothing to debate. An article written about a book does not speak to the economic disaster that was caused by Republican deregulation of the Banking industry allowing "black box" hedge funds to be used to back dirty paper. Dirty paper that eventually collapsed when investors wanted their money. Thereby, collapsing the value of millions of Americans homes and destroying our economy. Don't even begin to debate economics with me unless you know what your talking about. You will lose.

[-] 1 points by madehero2000 (50) 13 years ago

You are not providing a debate. I see you repeating the same claim while ignoring supporting material provided by others. Again, I suggest that you review Jimmy Carter's Fair and Affordable Housing Act and Bill Clinton's Anti-Predatory Lending Rule.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

I think another book is in order... the housing bubble never "collapsed" - it is merely the superficial application of terms as a means of pacifying those incapable of critical thought.

[-] 0 points by NachoCheese (268) 13 years ago

Yeah, says the guy who knows nothing of the CEO of Fannie Mae and what is golden parachute compensation package looked like for pimping those sub-prime mortgages for his congressional masters (who in turn pimped for their wall street pay masters...Jon Corzine anyone?).

Keep laughing, they (ALL OF THEM) are laughing right past you and your "left vs right/ R vs D" idiot friends, on their way to the bank.

[-] -1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

That's why you are being laughed at.

[-] 0 points by classicliberal (312) 13 years ago

I understand all that, but why is your mom being laughed at?

[-] 0 points by fows (111) 13 years ago

At least one that I know of. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cUP1aoHPEk

[-] 0 points by YOURBAFFOONS (4) 13 years ago

Paid republican workers?! You should be thanking us paid 53 percent opposed to your lazy asses that have no jobs because our tax money is going to cleaning up after you scumbags. Read and weep douchebags.

[-] 2 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

I have a job you buffoon. I can spell too. Must be a weakness of yours. There is this thing called a spell checker. It works really well for people like you who are intellectually challenged.

[-] 0 points by YOURBAFFOONS (4) 13 years ago

Unfortunately, YourBufoons was already taken. Turns out, I am not the only person that thinks that. Now the only error with your statement is that only intellectually challenged individuals are OWS and I am not OWS. Therefore, something is not right here. Hmmmm......

[-] 2 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Nice try = Epic Fail. Give up, you can not even attempt to debate me on anything.

[-] 0 points by Tommiethenoncommie (211) 13 years ago

Glenn Beck would be so proud! I'm doing this for free!

[-] 0 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 13 years ago

Or rich pigs trying to break our will.

[-] 0 points by classicliberal (312) 13 years ago

I get around ~35-40 an hour doing this. David Koch and Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin pay me.

[-] 0 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

Not paid a cent, and don't see you as working class. Just classless fools not willing to work.

[-] 2 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

I work, so does everyone I know. You are totally wrong and misguided about the movement. Obviously you are a Hannity and Limbaugh nut job.

[-] 0 points by madehero2000 (50) 13 years ago

Having a job does not mean that you contribute in taxes. I suggest that you read an IRS tax report. The most recent one shows that approximately 47% of Americans paid no federal income tax and that the bottom 50% had a negative federal income tax, meaning that their returns were greater than what was withheld from their paychecks.

The reports also show that the top 1% receive approximately 20% of the total income but pay more than 40% of the total collected taxes. This means that the top 1% actually pays a much steeper rate than the bottom 99%.

[-] 2 points by Sophia1982 (36) 13 years ago

If you're not in the 1% you should stop defending them.

[-] 0 points by madehero2000 (50) 13 years ago

That is a fairly pathetic stance. Why defend something if I am not a part of it? There are multiple reasons for defending the top 1%. The first is that they are carrying the bottom 99%. Without their contributions, we definitely would not be able to fund our bloated federal government. They also provide many American jobs and an image of what I could achieve someday. I defend them because I aspire to be as successful as them, and I do not want this to be a nation in which success is punished.

[-] -1 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

It doesn't matter one way or the other. No amount of tax legislation will ever effect the rate of return. Americans will never agree to provide the bottomless pit that the corrupt and unethical would like us to and it doesn't matter how it's labeled or to what purpose it's assigned, tax without consent is a theft of property - it's criminal; all recognize the crime, and all disregard the law as unjust.

[-] 1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Another Republican twist = Epic Fail! Man you people are stupid. Quick, change your handle and try again.

[-] 1 points by madehero2000 (50) 13 years ago

How is that a twist? I presented a fact. It being a fact that you do not approve of does not mean that it is a twist.

[-] 0 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

Well son, how come I see so many posts saying they don't believe they should have to work. Don't make me search because this site has no such capability, but google "demands site:occupywallst.org" and you'll find it. The point is, while I honestly believe in a few of your observations and demands, the movement is so highly infiltrated with nut jobs, the good ideas will never rise amongst that flood of poison.

[-] 1 points by sudoname (1001) from Berkeley, CA 13 years ago

If you can only lump us into one group or another, congratulations, you are a tool of the corporations. This is an internet forum, not a good way to collect statistics.

[-] 1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Son? I am not your son. I am probably older than you and you should learn some manners, "son". That being said. You are totally skewing the truth for your agenda. The "We Shouldn't Have To Work" bullshit has already been debunked as Republican plants trying to make the movement look bad. Do your research. Who in their right mind would argue that they should have to work. Please.....

[-] 1 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

Denial is a river in Egypt, but not a path to the truth. Seek the truth my son, or father or whatever the heck you want me to call you. If you're my age, I do pitty you because I could only excuse the bullshit eminating from this movement on youth, and that you say is not your excuse. That leaves only one other explanation, being wisdom and the lack thereof.

[-] 1 points by Sophia1982 (36) 13 years ago

If you're not a troll and you don't like the movement, you should go get a real job.

[-] 2 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

Soph, I'm just a brick on the other side of the sea saw. Good vs. Evil. You should encourage balance here, because the alternative has not had good results in history.

[-] 0 points by Sophia1982 (36) 13 years ago

If you present good arguments there is no problem. You are negative and waste my time. We need solutions to problems and you are a hatemonger. Just stop. You are not in the 1% so stop defending them.

[-] 1 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

There in lies the difference between me and you. While I aspire to be in the 1%, you have already stopped trying. Now all you have is your hate and envy for them, and I have respect and admiration for what they do for our society, despite the handful that don't deserve to be there. Who gives more to charity than any people on the planet? The 1%. Who employs the thousands of us that, while in their employ, have the OPPORTUNITY to one day lead the company, who invests in our infrastructure for your iPhone, or to bring oil and electricity directly to your home so you will never be bored or cold? You vilify the vast majority of corporations, forgetting that it's the vast minority that are to be vilified. Grow up Soph, you're solutions are simple. Don't throw the baby out with the dirty bath water.

[-] 1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Well, I guess class doesn't come with ignorance. I need no further response from you. Your insulting behavior is neither wise nor mature. If its the truth you are interested in, you need to actually read something other than Republican talking points and try to understand that your freedoms have been bought and sold.

[-] 1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Well, I guess class doesn't come with ignorance. I need no further response from you. Your insulting behavior is neither wise nor mature. If its the truth you are interested in, you need to actually read something other than Republican talking points and try to understand that your freedoms have been bought and sold.

[-] 2 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

Exactly what I aim to stop, by voting, not by squatting clown

[-] 0 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Your vote, and your opinion mean nothing. Neither does your opinion to anyone but the people who know you, they are probably few. So, your done now son, you can go finish your homework before you go to bed.

[-] 2 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

Wow that was sooo insightful. My vote means nothing? My opinion is of no value? Unfortunately your comments and their implications are the antithesis of this movements goals. If the only opinions you value are only your own, if you believe we can't make changes with our vote ( tell the tea party caucus they don't matter), then you my son ( believe me I'm older than you), are a lost cause.

[-] 1 points by buik (380) from Towson, MD 13 years ago

you dont have to say "implied implications"

implications means that already

[-] 1 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

Yea I noted that after the fact. It is redundant. Good catch. I'm usually a stickler for good grammar.

[-] 1 points by buik (380) from Towson, MD 13 years ago

well you had me going because after i typed it i thought "fuck maybe thats what he meant"

so we're even, lol

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 13 years ago

Actually I do not see anything expressly explicit implicit in the implied implications...

[-] 0 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Your vote means nothing..... You are an idiot, so, you are useless to the world.

[-] 2 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

Wonderful comeback. A mature gentleman would certainly not disgrace himself with such a reflexive response. Clearly we are unequals in class and dignity. Tolleson AZ. Is that anywhere near the ok coral? Say hello to wild Erp for me.

[-] 0 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Yep you are right, we are not equals. You think your better than me, and I am just amused. That makes you not my equal in any way.

[-] 1 points by anotherone773 (734) from Carlyle, IL 13 years ago

Funny i am on this board all the time and i NEVER see anyone say that.

[-] -1 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

Oh yea. Everything you've read is perfectly main stream thought. Grow the fuck up clown. Don't be a pussy and deny that there are no loons amongst you. Did you not read the hugs and kisses currency?

[-] 2 points by ARod1993 (2420) 13 years ago

Yeah, I read about the use of hugs and kisses (and I called the OP out on it several times), I've read the Marxist stuff, I've read the Zeitgeist stuff, I've read the racist stuff, I've read the tinfoil hat stuff, and ya know what? None of it means jack to me. None of it means jack to the majority of the movement. OWS has a bit of a problem with keeping the nuts in line (namely because they're not comfortable with the idea that people should be "kept in line"). We're aware of this. It's been pointed out to us several times, probably by some of the same people who put that garbage up in the first place. Pointing it out one more time is not going to endear you to the rational moderates (the majority of the movement), nor is it going to change our minds.

[-] 1 points by MisguidedYouth2 (165) 13 years ago

I appreciate your honesty. Anotherone773 was denying what you're brave enough to admit. My goal as a troll ( hey that rhymes), is to act like a filter nudging what I believe can be a usefiul movement towards goals that I, as a tea party advocate, can get behind. I, for example, would advocate term limits, and the pure public financing of campaigns, but as long as this movements loudest voices are advocating the destruction or dismantling of our republic, the repudiation or shredding of our constitution, camp out in parks disturbing the peace and simply being a nuisance to others, you won't get anywhere. Get organized, build a platform like the tea party did, elect your candidates and make Shit happen, in the boundaries of our republic, not in the shadows,

[-] -1 points by Bambi (359) 13 years ago

Great response, misguided.

If I were a paid Republican I certainly wouldn't donate it to OWS CORPORATION.

[-] -1 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 13 years ago

I bet over half of your "guest speakers" are paid democrat workers.

[-] -1 points by mynameisfred (115) 13 years ago

Yes. You think we would work on here for free? You think we would be lazy like you,,,,,,,, HELL NO. No, being serious. We hate you lazy OWS people and do this for free. You are like fish in a barrel.

[-] 1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Hate is something you people embrace. That is one of the problems in this country, you sick hateful people.

[-] 0 points by mynameisfred (115) 13 years ago

I would rather SIMPLY hate someone,,, inside,, rather than what you guys are going,,,,, STEALING from others to give to you. Cant stand up on your own two feet and make money you have to STEAL it. I would rather hate and simply stay AWAY from the people I hate,, that being YOU.

[-] -1 points by tsizzle (73) from De Pere, WI 13 years ago

Do you think the RNC honestly gives to fucking shits about this website? don't flatter yourselves..

[-] 1 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 13 years ago

Yep, your all worried sick that we will stop you from destroying the middle class and turning working Americans into slaves for the uber rich.

[-] -2 points by NonParticipant (151) 13 years ago

Oh, man. You mean I could be paid for "occupying" occupy wall street? Bring it on. And yes, there are plenty of intelligent Americans that don't support OWS.