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Forum Post: I suggest the mods remove the “stinkle” and it’s affects on all comments/karma scores from the start.

Posted 1 year ago on March 14, 2013, 2:12 p.m. EST by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ
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I feel that the stinkle does not represent OWS well nor does it endorse the concepts of OWS. If you like something give it a twinkle if you don’t move along, there’s plenty to read.

Anyway that’s what I think what do you people think?

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

As long as we're working here might as well sweep the floor.

I noticed there had been some talk, thought I would chime in.

To tie the concept to OWS, I feel that OWS in some ways stands for the concept that small things can make large change, I know that dumping on ideals is a time honored tradition, esp. here on the web, but why not try something different? we might get different results.

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

no doubt ego is the enemy, I have seen sites where comment count is unaffected by voting, I think that is good, it's the down vote I think causes the problem, I think letting people say "good job" with a twinkle is fine and would retain the "game theory" hook but removal of the stinkle would remove the ability for posters to "censor" others with their votes anyway I see a path where it would work. I often see things others don't it happen a lot at the nuclear plant where I once worked, but they kept most of that money.

As a side note if one can accept that is game theory at work one can separate the ego and still have fun.

[-] 4 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

A lot more people like to complain, rather than seek solution it could be reflective of OWS larger problems.

[-] 3 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

Sorry this is not a direct reply -
I am disgusted by posts that attack posters rather than the subject matter
trite but true
disagree without being disagreeable

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I accept your position it has merit, however I tend to avoid judging tactics so broadly, I have had long discussion with people only to find that they were being disingenuous throughout the chat, this will lead me believe they have a hidden agenda, as opposed to an open agenda like my own which is to destroy the GOP and by doing that completely change our current system. In such cases a general dislike can develop. I don’t know if the “thumbs up” with no “thumbs down” ability has ever been tried, but as I think about it I think the idea has merit.

[-] 3 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

but without the GOP, how will our owners get richer ?!?!?
GOP= Greedy Oligarch Plutocrats

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I'm willing to try and muddle through....

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

The points system is a built in tool for the cognitive infiltration. When a group of infiltrators uses it the effect is confounding on the unsuspecting viewer.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I don't think it's nearly that complicated, it's pretty simple game theory, this post was put up in response to a few other that were complaining about their "scores" sort of a put up or shut up thing, haven't seen those posts in a while....

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Insidious, not complicated.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I wonder if OWS is interested in change?

By one poster's account out of 140 forums, she could not produce one that did this, change is hard, being different is dangerous.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

If you were honest with yourself, you would welcome change here.

The question is, just what are you afraid of?

Honesty?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Where did you see the fear?

I am suggesting change, so big that no forum as far as I can find has tried it.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Your fear is apparent in your defense of the multi-ID individuals who frequent this place and seek to find a niche in your clique.

Your fear is also apparent in your obtuse attacks on those who question your narrow-minded support of those pols who attach themselve to occupy in the rabid hope that people might take notice of them.

You are suggesting change, but have you considered anyone else in that change?

You attack those who have similar concepts to your own. Does that make you right?

Or just an attacker?

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Defense? You must be referring to my being pissed off at engineer1 for his random attack on another poster? so I think I did that like one time and so you access my time here based on that,

Who the Fuck is scared NOW?

Do your "stinkle" crew "fear" change so much that you must defend random attacks?

Am I not considering your right to be a little shit on the site when I suggest change?

I defend I don't attack you got your adverbs mixed up.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

You do attack. Your defense of your actions is admirable.

Your definition of your own actions is what is questionable.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

well you know what they say about a good defense or good offense or something, still I don't think you will find much fear in my posts or comments, but each of us has a mind and our own thoughts about things,

The more I think about having a forum where the occasional reader might say "thumbs up" and not have their vote removed by some crusader on a mission of suppression just might result in more thoughtful comments or at least some of those that are here might be "highlighted".

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Good call.

What would you name this forum you have in mind?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I see we agree on the chance that OWS would want actual change...

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

This place is a fucking circus.

I'm in the process of hammering your princess VQ right now.

I'm sick to death of seeing this forum dominated by a pathetic shill who doesn't even know what he's shilling for.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

If you're looking to "hammer" somebody, I'm your huckleberry....

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Where would the satisfaction be there?

You're not exactly abrasive.

Do you want to practice on me?

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

well, I'll be around, if you ever change your mind

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'll be nailing your puppy, VQ. I'm not going anywhere.

If you're serious about saving the earth, I'm here too.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

punching puppies huh, well don't bruise your knuckles

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

This post cut through the fog you can see those that want to throw bombs and those that want a better site, quit reveling, that's really why I put this up, I wouldn't expect there will be any actual changes, change is hard.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

If no one else will I guess i'll bump this.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

wow people do like their "stinkle"

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

here it is

[-] -2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 1 year ago

Good idea. Let's remove the twinkle too. It will help remove the incentive to post the thousands of irrelevant discussions that are done to drive up one's point score.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I think the twinkle actually encourages more thoughtful comments, there is a lot of fun in tearing down for some people, take that fun away and they will go away.

[-] 3 points by gsw (2697) 1 year ago

agree

without twinkles/stinkles things might really go downhill

meritocracy. it's what we know

keep twinkle, stinkle, but we should have a "extraneous" site where threads like this one, off topic end up

up there by comments, if a few people with enough twinkles between them say a post is redundant, off topic it should go in a "non-relevant or offtopic posts" category, on a tab next to comments

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Actually you disagree with me if you want to keep the stinkle, and sort of miss the point,there are sites with categories of forums, that might require more moderation, do you have any thoughts about getting rid of stinkle and keeping twinkle? as long as you've decided to chime in on this extraneous thread and all.

[-] -1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

This ain't face book. There is no rational reason to have only a like button.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I don't know if you've read what I've said here or are just making the customary snap judgement. However I dio disagree i think there is a mentality involved in tearing down, I think there are posters on the site that work as "censors" downvoting comments they fear, facebook has many differences form the OWS site (I don't fear being absorbed by either the Democratic Party or Facebook), the active comment/reasponse being one.

So you can go throw your random slams where they won't get throw back into your face.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Pfffttt.........pay attention to what I said.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I suppose improving the site wouldn't be rational to you, odd? or perhaps you would like to address what I said?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You waste too much time giving the stinkle/twinkle button power over you and if you could just get rid of it then it would make everything better.

I hate sites that have a like button. You should probably think about what that like only button message sends to the public. Further, it doesn't get rid of the bots and socks.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Do you know of forum with comment/reply with only a "like" button refer me I will check it out, maybe I will agree who knows?

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I think there was a new one that came out a while back....called BookFace or something :)

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Doesn't really sound like a forum to me.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Thats all it is, is posts with people's comments underneath em. The only thing thats different with occupy fb pages is that they dont allow just anyone to post, it has to go through an admin.

https://www.facebook.com/occupyphoenix

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

How do I reply to a comment on fb?

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You usually just make the username as a link, it will notify the user, but there is now a new feature that is available..

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I waste too much time? again you ignore most of my posts to make judgments like this, I suppose that makes it easier, but moving on, no it doesn't solve all problems but I do think there is a mindset behind the stinkle we could do without.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I really do want to check out one of these forums that have comment/reply but only a "like" button I can't find one could you please send the link to one of those you tried out?

Failing that could you tell; me how exactly do "like" a comment on FB?

I think you are talking about something completely different when comparing what I am suggesting to FB.

[-] -2 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

It should be all about the topic and not the individual. If there is to be a score, then post just a total, same as done for number of comments. There is no need for individual scores. Inflated positive or negative scores are not necessarily indicative of the person, but usually only the childish actions of the few. And the numbers distort or create false assumptions about a person when it should be about the topic, comment or response.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I agree, No more stinkles. I have lost thousands of points in the matter of days. Been harassed by a small group of anti OWS fanatics for a year. and had innocuous comments downvoted for no good reason.

I've never complained because I KNOW the points DO NOT matter!

But if getting rid of stinkles means shutting up the shallow, childish, paranoid, conspiracy minded wack jobs complaining about being stinkled (just as they stinkle others). Then we could improve the forum exponentially.

[-] 1 points by littlethingcalledOWSlove (-8) 1 year ago

LOL. You were caught red handed manipulating the vote with many sock puppets and with the help of DKAtoday. Cone of shame anyone?

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. Do you realize that your actions here are part of the problem?

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I have been targeted by you and your immature, dishonest, whiny cabal because of my politics for more than a year.

I have lost thousands of points (never complain, cause I don't care) and been targeted with threads of unfounded personal attacks by you and the schoolyard cabal.

I spend my time posting important info, and valuable actions.

What actions of mine are part of the problem.? And if you don't have proof then STFU.

Whiny little child. You ain't lost more points than me. And guess what,? we are ALLOWED to downvote!!!

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

Many come here to attack and tear down, I do to an extent I attack Republicans and GOP policies I feel I have been pretty open about my views there, in general though I don't think the stinkle represents OWS well and it's removal might have more affect than people think, if we leave the twinkle in plce, it could really change the forum.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I agree. I've already expressed my support for removal of the stinkle. But until then, because it bothers the immature, dishonest, whiny cabal I will continue using it...... Liberally. LOL.

I am a proud progressive. I know that we must vote out the conservatives (even conservative dems) who have given our country to the corp 1% oligarchs.

My focus here is posting important info, & actions, as well as challenging any who express opinions against the progressive solutions Occupy pushes.

I AM with you. I have always been.

[-] 2 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

hehehe... i mostly agreed with your post iMan ... just wanted to use my ↧stinkle ... ;)

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I use stinkle to downvote anti occupy comments/people. I believe that is what it is for.

I don't know you, & don't care that you downvote me. But clearly " just wanted to use my ↧stinkle " is immature and inapropriate.

[-] 4 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

actually.... I havn't used it much... but I have... and I use it when I think someone is being outright nasty ... or is promoting hate type agenda's ...what is anti-Occupy... I don't know... I thought Occupy is Anarchy... "all ideas are welcome".... just because someone doesn't understand what they are talking about... does not make them anti-Occupy. imo....

and I have used one for fun... I'll take it back... sorry... ;)

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

No need to apologize to me. downvote how you like.

If you support big banks, you might be an oligarch.

If you support oil/gas/nukes, You might be an oligarch.

If you are anti gay, anti women, anti immigrant, You might be an oligarch.

If you don't support higher wages You might be an oligarch.

If you don't support universal single payer health care You might be an oligarch.

If you don't support money out of politics You might bbe an oligarch.

Sure OWS accepts all political persuasions but we have taken a stand on many issues. We will attempt to convince those who disagree with facts and dialogue. but we do have an agenda and we can't be on 2 sides of the same issue.

Are you an oligarch?

[-] 3 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 1 year ago

But clearly " just wanted to use my ↧stinkle " is immature and inapropriate. ...

AGREE ;)

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I never use stinkles just cause I want to. Never.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I think if people were required to "attack" with their words instead of the easy vote it would bring more honesty to the site. I am not attacking anyone who operates within the system that exists that would be like attacking a politician for taking money, but rather a change in the system like public funding would be a change, some who work within the money taking system still support public funding.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Money out of politics. repealing CU, movetoamend are all important goals/efforts some pols (progressives) support us in this.

In so far as stinkles, it just ain't so important to me. I prefer & enjoy discussing differences. I know the progressive approach is superior and it is great practice arguing with some of these anti occupy closet cons/libertarian shills.

So if the stinkles go. My enjoyment remains.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I won't drop the link on you but I know that you know that at least 90% of my post deal with wealth inequality, money in politics or climate change of course that often involves pointing out how the GOP is on the wrong side of each of those issues IMHO.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I never disagree with your posts. I have focused on updating many important issues/posts with current info and/or occupy actions, & non occupy actions

This is I believe an important function of this forum. Some do not like my efforts/opinions & I am constantly under attack. I never complain and continue my efforts (that is what bothers them most)

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

So the stinkle crew is working you hard I see, anyway the site can do those things, it would be possible to do more if the mods and people in NYC were more involved with the site. It would be possible to build a "people's think tank" that would crush the right wing noise machine. Here the work of debate and talking points can be done, but OWS is far behind on having that sort of impact. It would have to realize who the enemy is for one and get in the game, something it has been reluctant to do for fear of losing support of some. Anyway i could go on, I see great possibilities in the site, but I an not hopeful at this point.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I agree. The forum has great potential but will not achieve it until more involvement by interested mods.

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

Have you noticed I am not the only one that complains about your actions here? Try looking in the mirror for once. You have had multiple personas, you dribble your rhetoric everywhere and rarely have substance, just headline shout outs, cut and paste.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Important current information! Deep thoughtful articles, Timely Occupy actions/events. Many non occupy (but always progressive) events.

That's what I do here. Here's another one that is one ofthe problems you have with me.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/15032-women-rising-22-international-anti-nuclear-activists

This is older but pertinent and useful to show you that occupy is anti nuke!!!

http://ecowatch.com/2012/occupy-nukes/

You spend days with your immature, dishonest, whiny cabal spewing unfounded personal attacks against me because you have been downvoted.

Maybe you and your friends were downvoted because you are anti Occupy? I know that's why I downvote people/comments. Thats what the stinkle is for.

Ever think of that.?

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ Ever think of actually saying who inclusionman and all the rest of your personas really are? Quit pretending.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Doesn't seem like an important Occupy related issue. Seems more like the type of thing your immature, dishonest, whiny cabal wastes their time with.

I never ask such stupid meaningless question of the posters I engage with. because it is unimportant, it doesn't matter, many of them have new id's (like me) for whatever reason.

So what? Some might say, others may not. So what?

How does any of that matter?

i'd rather discuss how we support and get a higher minimum wage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/elizabeth-warren-minimum-wage_n_2900984.html

I support Elizabeth Warrens suggestion that min wage Should be $22.

Do you?

You didn't state anything regarding nuke energy. Important issues you ignore, Id's, and stinkles you whine about. LOL

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

As Lucy said, "hopeless, completely hopeless". It is an occupy forum problem issue (you) which you refuse to acknowledge.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I already said I support the effort. What the fuck else do I gotta do?

Anything on real issues from your sorry ass"

Minimum wage, or anti nuke?

That is more important than my previous unused acct, or how I (or you) vote.

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ, everyone is waiting for your admission to all your personas. Time to come clean, the cock has crowed three times. Or, maybe it's time you wore a permanent "cone of shame".

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Who is everyone? The people who have banded together to create/contribute to a thread that spews dishonest, unfounded personal attacks against me because they disagree with my opinions?

Please, you must be high!!!

Provide some proof. Stop whining! Everyone else (including me) have lost thousands of points. This is the only id I use to comment with.

Focus on the issues occupy supports that might benefit the 99%.

Anti nuke? Min wage increase? Abolish Student debt? These things matter to serious people. You and your caal of dishonest malcontents are only interested in division and picking fights.

Grow up. put your hate aside.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. We're waiting........and quit dodging the issue. This is not about your opinions. What proof would you like. Easy, its the entire OWS forum. Your finger prints are everywhere. Stop the dishonesty and come clean.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You are no authority here. And I have nothing to come clean about.

I am anti nuke, that IS pro 99%, I support abolishing student debt just as occupy does, I support the progressive agenda occupy fights for to benefit the 99%.

My contributions here prove my support for the 99%.

you haven't supported any occupy positions that I've seen. I only see you attacking people.

This is a waste, and useless, and tiresome.

You've offered no proof. only empty, nonsensical, accusations.

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. I gave you a choice to ask anyone of your choosing to substantiate your position. Yet you are still dodging. Why is that? Why do you have such a problem with honesty? One can be pro-anything, but without the honesty, it is meaningless. Time to come clean. You know I am right. The proof is scattered everywhere on this forum with your writings and you know this to be true. There is no attack, only a simple request to be honest with everyone here on the forum.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

The only thing we KNOW is that you and your immature cabal have spewed unfounded accusations in an inappropriate thread.

You are not my judge. How fuckin arrogant and self important you are. I have nothing to come clean about to you.

I will continue doing as I have, contriuting important current info, and encouraging action related to the issues occupy has taken a stand on.

You are a joke. Your mistakes are clear in the inappropriate thread of unfounded personal destruction.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. I had nothing to do with the original post. All I did was respond to a comment you made.

Now, no more deflection, time to come clean to this forum. If you are truly for the 99% and OWS as you claim, how about some truth rather than denial. You can not have it both ways. You want integrity or another Cone Of Shame? Then answer the question.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

So I should ask the immature dishonest cabal who spewed unfounded accusations in the thread of personal destruction.?

Aaaaaaaaaah ha ha ha. Everyone of them have had some disagreement of opinion with me. That's why you and they got your panties in a bunch. I ain't done nothin to you.

No I'm not gonna waste time asking about your accusations. I know they are unfounded, and I am only interested in contributing current info, and encouraging action on the issues that occupy has taken a stand on.

I'll let you children waste time with dishonest personal attacks regarding voting, and accts.

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. Is "cabal" your new favorite word or is it just the normal cut and paste. I give you the choice of asking anyone. Besides, I am not a member of any group here.

Still waiting for your confession. Time to tell the truth. This is not a personal attack, just a request for you to come clean just for once. You know I am right.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Please stop harassing me.

I owe you no 'story'. I've done nothing to you to deservethis childish harassment.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. This is not harassment, just a simple request to be honest with everyone here on this forum. time to come clean. You cracked open the door with one of your responses, last mentioned your need for new IDs to replace your old ones. How many did you have and how many do you have now? Be honest. You can do it.

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Me too. Prove your unfounded personal attack or STFU.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

You are continuously proving it with every post, written word etc. If you you don't believe me, why not ask anyone else around here. Don't forget to include imagine40 and repubsrtheproblem too.

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You are an immature simpleton. LOL. You have no proof I've done anything wrong or anything to you or your dishonest cabal. Because there is none.

You never discuss issues, you only engage in unfounded personal attacks.

You and your friends do not like my progressive opinions and are simply trying to silence or ban me.

You cannot stop me.

[-] 2 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

Still waiting VQ......

[-] -2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Please stop harassing me.

I do not owe you any explanation for my need to use new ids when earlier ones are not usable anymore. You are not an authority here, You are not my judge.

[-] 3 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. Is that a crack of the door? Come on, finish the story.

[-] -2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Please stop harassing me with your unfounded personal attacks.

If the proof is 'all over' you would have produced ONE example! You haven't because there is none!

[-] 3 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. Time to come clean. You know I am right. Your writing style is the same on multiple personas. Thousands of posts. You resurrect old posts from VQ, have had conversations with your self (imagine40, repubsrtheproblem, etc). All your personas are the only ones here on the forum who use the word "aint". And you recently stated that you have lost thousands of points over the past year? This persona has only been here since August of 2012, yet how is that even possible? Answer the question VQ, it's time to answer to the forum for your actions.

[-] -3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Please stop harassing me.

[-] 2 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. Then Please answer to the forum for you actions. Time to be honest.

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

VQ asking for your honesty is not "hararassing" you

It is just a reasonable request

~Odin~

[-] 0 points by frovikleka (2563) from Island Heights, NJ 1 year ago

Of course he does

~Odin~

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

But he thinks it's because "we don't like his politics."

[-] -3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Of course it is over my opinions. You offer no proof of anything I've done to you.

But we have disagreed on racism, didn't we?

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I guarantee it is not because of your opinions. And when have we disagreed about racism? Refresh my memory.

Which reminds me. How come no opinions on my 'modern-day slavery' post? You don't think the serious and widespread problem of modern slavery is an issue we should confront? Hmmm?

[-] -3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You and your friends immature attacks on my are no doubt all about my opinions. None of you have ever offered any proof, cause you have none.

I have NO respect for you after your childish unfounded personal attack post. So I avoid your posts, but of course I'm against slavery that's easy.

My contributions are mainly on issues that occupy has taken a stand on.

My posts are always up, I know you never comment which is convenient because I prefer that you stay off my posts, Whatever ID I've used on them.

[-] 3 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ you said: " ...., whatever ID I've used on them." Are you coming clean with that comment? Come on now, be honest and tell the forum about your multiple personas.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Honesty is in short supply.

I'm curious why VQkag2 got banned.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

Part of the problem why anyone is banned. It is never made known by the ones doing the actual banning.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

True.

It definitely was a ban though because I can't see him giving up 16,000+ points willingly.

[-] 0 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

Yeah, I saw him say sonething like "I only have 1 id I post with" the other day, but I didn't feel like calling him out. In the last hour he went silent for a bit as his posts got upvoted and others down....I now see a new twink total as he has resumed posting as delusionman, showing he logged in and out.

[-] -3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You're a moron! LOL

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Hey dumb fuck. The only two times I did it was because there were no more reply buttons. It's a common practice.

Duh!!!

You really do get stupider by the week.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

No need to explain. I understand. In time you can be quick witted and funny too.

it takes practice.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

How exactly would you know that? Quick witted and funny certainly aren't your forté.

"Forté." You might have to look that one up. Hint: it's a French word. And just so you don't get lost on the big scary Internet, here ya go:

http://translate.google.com/

No need to thank me. I always go out of my way to help the mentally challenged.

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Good one. You ARE quick witted and funny.

LOL.

Now see if you actually discuss important issues that occupy supports.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

"Well I'm just very generous with those who deserve it."

Me too. Hence me railing on you tonight.

You're welcome.

[-] -3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

LOL. be original! Don't bite off me.!

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I'm only quoting you so that a simpleton like you can keep the conversation straight, lol.

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Riiiiiiight! Or you just can't think for your self.

One or the other.

LMFAO.

[-] 1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

How many times have you criticized others for only having insults to offer? You have already called me a fuckin moron today. Is that the best you can do?

[-] -3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

No I can do much better. I just thought that was most applicable.

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

That just proves what a liar you really are. You repeatedly claim you don't stoop to "childish insults" but so far today I've seen you call people a "dickhead," an "immature simpleton," a "whiny little child," a "fucking moron," and a "lying piece of ignorant shit."

And I've only been on the forum less than four hours!

[-] -1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Its like whack a mole, for every time someone knocks that freak out of the park, another one shows up!!

Its like this, only there is no buzzer. It just keeps going and going and going......

https://www.youtube.com/results?q=whack+a+mole&aq=0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=w1&authuser=0

[-] -2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Only if they start, and deserve it. and if it applies.

But hey I'm only human. Like in your case you are such a fuckin low life I have no desire to remain respectful.

Just so ya know!

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

"Only if they start, and deserve it. and if it applies."

No, it makes you a fucking liar and hypocrite, just like I said. In every instance I quoted, they didn't call you shit first. You started with the insults. And now add "fuckin (sp.!) low life" to the list. Fucking clown.

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Well I'm just very generous with those who deserve it.

You're welcome.

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Please stop harassing me.

I don't have to 'come clean', and I didn't say anything new.

I'm not hiding anything, just refusing to discuss with you any specifics because you ain't my friend. You are clearly hostile towards me for no good reason.

Understand?

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Hostile is sabotaging a decent site with multiple handles.

[-] 2 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

Not to mention personal insults at those who do not believe as he does.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Theres nothing easier than bashing on Vkag.

Had a bad day? Just log onto occupy and look for the mascot.

I think his new nickname should just be The Conehead.

All Hail The Conehead!!

[-] 1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

It does go well w a margarita!

[-] 0 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Heres his themesong!! He's singing it with his other handles ahhaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4A46OQkklA

hahahahahah

[-] 1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

Good one! I just saw that movie last wknd at a friend's who has cable tv. Now I know what if will forever make me think of....thanks :-(

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Sorry, didnt mean to ruin the movie for ya haha.

[-] -3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Then you should stop.

I only comment with this one handle.

And this thread is not about that so I guess I can assume that you have smoked again, and now you are now trying to change the subject and resort to unfounded, dishonest personal attacks.

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Is this you singing songs with your other handles? hahahah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4A46OQkklA

[-] -1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I'm not even gonna watch it, you're links are ok for 11 year olds but you rarely discuss the thread topic.

You are all about bashing dems, and personal attacks.

Kinda tired and predictable.

[-] -1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. I have no hostility against you personally. But any respect for you is pretty low right now. And yes, it is time to admit to your multiple personas and be honest. You can no longer keep denying your actions on this forum. You know I am right. Time to be truthful. Stop running and dodging. The proof is irrefutable and deep down, you know this to be true. Your answer should be addressed to the forum, not to me. Put it in a new post and seek forgiveness.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You first.

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

VQ. Always dodging, avoiding to come clean. Now your asking me for what? I have nothing to ask forgiveness for, i write respectfully and with tolerance, do not curse, and certainly do not have multiple personas. I have only one ID since i started here, never been banned. It has been your actions that have created this situation, and you even have had a "cone of shame" placed upon you. Time for you to step up. Time for truth. Put it in a post and ask for forgiveness for your actions here on the forum. It's your move. Why are you so afraid of the truth?

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I have no respect for you either, V, because you're a pathological liar and a hypocrite. Not to mention a self-centered attention-whore.You're problem with me is because I was the first to call you out on your bullshit. So you're problem with me is a grudge. My problem with you is your shitty personality. And I don't have to offer proof of your actions. All I had to do was notice your actions in old posts. And all anyone here has to do is go thru old posts and see for themselves. At least in the ones you haven't yet went back thru to cover your tracks. You're not stupid V, but neither am I and we both know that I'm right in my accusations regardless of your public denials. It just pisses you off that I know about it and have alerted other posters to it. I even tried to make amends with you once in the past and you refused the 'olive branch.'

And that personal attack post I made, I deleted it within an hour of posting it, so get the fuck over it. The fact that you haven't is PROOF that you have a grudge against me and confirms my suspicions of what you do behind the scenes.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I don not give one flying fuck about your false accusations. I don't care about the points or the ids.

You are the shallow, meaningless, fool who focuses on all that crap.

So fuck you, you don't like my personality?. Who the fuck cares?. I don't come to make friends dickhead.

I come to contribute current info, and encourage action regarding the issues the Occupy has taken a stand on. You come to attack me.

LOL. I will continue and be satisfied. You will continue and fail. Because I don't give a fuck about your immature lies.

LMFAO.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

You're the one that started this conversation, moron. And I don't give a flying fuck about your opinion either. You're as shallow, if not more, than I or you wouldn't still be bitching about a post I made, then pulled, months ago. Only a shallow obsessive fool like you would waste hours of your time going thru old posts to upvote your own comments. Something the admins caught you doing without me having to say a word. You're a fucking phony.

And I haven't said shit about you for many weeks until the last few days. So your comment that I constantly attack you is just another VQ lie. The only reason we're even having this conversation right now is because you started it, asshole. Otherwise I wouldn't even be bothering.

LMFAO, fool.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

We're having this conversation because of the ridiculous, immature, unfounded personal attack on me by you and your friends in that inappropriate post.

So STFU and stop harassing me. I get to vote how I like I can disregard this shallow meaningless subject and focus my attention on things like the racism of the republican party, or the anti gay, anti women, or anti immigrant, or anti labor/working class republican agenda.

Thats what I find interesting and important.

And you and I don't agree on those issues.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Wrong as usual, moron. Was that post immature? Maybe but I didn't post it, I just replied on it. Unfounded? Nope. Totally founded.

And you're the one harassing me, dumb fuck. Go up this thread and see who replied to who. So STFU and quit replying if you don't like it.

Racism in BOTH parties. I'm totally against it. Gay rights. I'm totally for it. Anti-women, anti-labor class, I'm totally against it.

So your accusation that I don't support those things is just another VQ lie (again) in a ridiculous attempt to paint me as anti-OWS simply because you and I have a problem with each other.

See, V, we actually agree on as lot of issues. You just like to spread the lie that we don't in a futile attempt to make me look bad. So shut your fucking mouth and move on.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Please stop harassing me.

Fuck you. You given me grief for something from months ago under my previous ID?

The mods dealt with it. It was over in a matter of hours. Why the fuck do you take it upon yourself to add additional fucking punishment.?

Leave me the fuck alone with you lies and harassment.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

You just have to have the last word, I guess.

What username you're presently using doesn't change the person. Once VQ, always VQ. What you did then, you do now, just to a lesser degree.

And like I just said, man. I have been leaving you alone. It's you that's been harassing me. Don't you get it? In fact I even thanked you for pointing out that water deal here in St. Louis a few weeks back, remember?

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Your the one constantly spreading lies about me!!! I've only told you to stop.

So stop. Try to behave like an adult.

Put your hate aside. and stop commenting on scores, & Id's. I don't care.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

I don't spread lies. I hate liars, which is one of my main problems with you. You calling it lies doesn't make it so. It just bugs the shit out of you that you've been exposed. And I guess the admins are liars too, since they're the ones that caught you doing it, huh? Just face it, V, you've been exposed for what you are, it's not my fault. Deal with it.

And I'm not a hateful person. If you'd just leave me the fuck alone I wouldn't have a problem, I already told you that. I haven't said a negative thing about you for a couple months until the last few days. But you constantly hit my comments, almost on a daily basis until recently. Even though I was leaving you alone.

See, V. It's you, not me, that keeps this shit going. So really, it's you that needs to grow up. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[+] -4 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

The cone of shame is freightened by eggplant :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwRB0_tU1HM

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

That was a classic! I will give you a stinkle for it.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Where in the hell do you come up with all these goofy clips, heheh?

Hell, I'm almost starting to feel sorry for the man. He's getting hammered on three different posts by at least four different people.

[-] 1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

And we really ARE 4 diff people (I think)!

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

This is funny. As soon as I mention that, you other two show up over here.

[-] -2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

ITs nothing compared to getting up in front of GA and declaring that the Dems are the only hope. Saw that a few times.

Was talking with a guy involved with the Dem party a little while ago. We were looking back and laughing at the response he got, pretty much "get out!!" What was even funnier is that after he came down, the Dems in our county thought he was an occupier and were "leary" of him!! Too funny.

[-] 0 points by gnomunny (6592) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

That's hilarious. And it looks like the Dems in your county need some serious education about Occupy.

[+] -5 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Please show your love by stinkles, not twinkles. I want stinkles god damn it!!! :)

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I think the site should show comment count if it can, but right now it doesn't.

[-] 0 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

I guess someone does not like it, already a downvote. Do you mean at the top of tthis page as there is a comment count on the home page forum list, and in the right hand column.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7066) from Phoenix, AZ 1 year ago

I was referring to total comments by users some do that, reflects activity which is useful data. The count at the top is comments on the post.

[-] 1 points by engineer4 (352) 1 year ago

I woud support that also