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Forum Post: I say we dont let them relect another president

Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 19, 2011, 3:18 p.m. EST by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504)
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I say we take this country and create a resource based economy right now. The NDAA is going to be passed. Occupants are going to be arrested on large scales by the military. Occupy will not be strong enough unless you act now and on a much larger scale. Obama is a traitor and should be arrested for treason. However that will not solve the problem.



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[-] 9 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

Nobody in the movement is going to be arrested by the military - unless you plan on going to Africa or Yemen and train in with al Qaida - then you might get arrested by the military. The rest of us will be fine.

Not that we don't need to quit fuckin around on the issue of terrorism - is it a criminal offense? or an act of war? This bi-polar approach is insane.

That said, I don't believe the President is a traitor. That's ridiculous.

[-] -3 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

The official list includes "Identity Movements" and many more. You should probably take a look at it as "belligerence against the government", "distrusting the government" and several other than consist of common denominators of all who are displeased.... are all on the lists.

[-] 3 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

what list - I read sections 1031 and 1032 of the Senate bill, there was no list. I think they did mention al Qaida and affiliates.

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

btw.... you really should read the entire bill........... it takes nearly two forevers, but, it's sickening

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Damnit, you're going to make me go dig up all the sources for "the lists". Heck, there have been closed door meeting with law enforcement and training on spotting them. There is also a shorter list labeled 2005-2009, the new one is much longer. Heck, the broadcasted congressional hearings when taking "testimony" from HSA and top military brass, their input was given much weight in determining specific behavior "indicators" and 'red flag attributes'.

Even Ron PauI himself, and his supporters are on the list.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I probably am too, so what.

but they'll never cast me as an al qaida supporter, so I figure for at least the next 5 - 7 years I'm safe from sections 1031 - 1032 [original Senate version]

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Believe the truth, it covers far more than Al Qaeda supporters and known associates.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

well don't just sit there and agitate hysterically -

post the relevant sections of the signed bill.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

I wasn't aware that I was doing that. I've read the entire bill and even watched all the senate and congressional hearings. Look on Cspan or CNN, or wherever you watch DC televised recorded videos so you see and hear for yourself. It's been all over TV and a quick google search reveals these lists of which started to be formed earlier than 2005.

The military and homeland security have the own lists of "indicators" more specific to their own "experience", but, they've all been merged into an external list and only referenced, as best I can tell, from inside 1867.

Missing fingers, paying excessively with cash, anything appearing to be stockpiling of groceries, same for firearms or ammo, etc.....

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I've got a stockpile of ammo - no one has bothered me.

Course, since the berry farm went in out back I haven't been target shooting. Can't have my own neighbors wandering around in the line of fire - that just wouldn't be neighborly.

Then again, like I said -

I don't support al qaida.

In my book, they are just a different brand of repelican.

[-] -3 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

Well yelling is a form of violence. If occupants are protesting and yelling they are being violent. Violence is creating terror that will lead to being labeled as a terrorist. Obama is a traitor because he stated he would veto the NDAA. Now he is going to pass it. That is a traitor to me.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

It's a big bill. Did you examine the rest of the bill? did you inquire what the consequences of not signing it might be?


[-] -1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

I do not care what it says. I just know all a man has is his word. He lied. He is a traitor. Do I forgive him yes. What will he do now though.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 12 years ago

I do not know. A lot of it has to do with what Congress is willing to do.

What was his precise statement on the subject?

That usually will give you a clue as to what he is willing to do. The trick is to get Congress to go alone. As it is they are frozen with partisanship in the effort to elect some white guy with a tie.

[-] -2 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Well let's see, they just barely got additional funding to barely keep DC going for another month or two....... so the consequences would be that more non-existent money couldn't be ram-rodded through with this fascist and Unconstitutional treasonous act attached to it? We don't even have the money or GDP to produce the funds this bill appropriates to fund big secret America and the Industrial Military Complex.

[-] 4 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 12 years ago

I dont see occupants being arrested via military at this point. The scumbags that pass these things are usually looking further into the distance than the average bear.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

It hasnt passed quite yet. However, it will be just in time for our troops to be home.

[-] 3 points by singlemom99 (57) from Bethlehem, PA 12 years ago

We need someone to step up right now and be a leader

[-] 2 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

If I could wave a magic wand, I'd make everything alright, but this will take time to be successful. Getting involved is a good way to bring it along. the NGA is 198 days away...


[-] 1 points by singlemom99 (57) from Bethlehem, PA 12 years ago

I heard the NGA will be in philly? is that correct? I hope so cause I'm 45 min away then!!

[-] 2 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

Yes, and they plan to sign the final document at Independence Hall.

Become a delegate!


[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 12 years ago

Well, expect the detention of citizens to start in February 2012. That's less than 60 days away. The first waves will be relatively quiet, although unlikely to be completely unnoticed.

[-] 2 points by OLLAG (84) 12 years ago

2 questions:

You occupiers don't have enough of the population, how will you do it?

What did Obama do?

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

he said he would veto the NDAA. Now he is going to pass it. I am not a occupier. I have a common goal.

[-] 2 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

man this is driving me crazy!!! we need to fix this world!!

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

patience. Why don't you get out there and run for delegate to the NGA???


[-] 1 points by Algee (182) 12 years ago

This is all good but we must first make sure that we have the manpower to undertake this. These people will not just give us what we want, we'll have take it and change the world. Move swiftly, have people go to every place that holds symbolic and real power. We cannot just sit and wait or watch as our family and friends are arrested before us. We must show the powerful people that they are powerless with many millions walking to their doorsteps. Put them in a position where money won't save them. Show them that we are not cattle or sheep, stand on the offensive. Flood the streets, the villages, the towns and the cities. But take care, too swift an action can be lead to disaster. Work to stay united, bring the people together and let nothing separate the people. Help people around you, if we must change the system then we must also change ourselves and open our minds, eyes and ears to others. The movement is the people!

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

I say we take this movement and flood the streets of the white house with millions.

[-] 1 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 12 years ago

There are no resources left to sustain this "territory" We import most, export what we have to cover trade defecits. It is about to be resource based actually. Human resources, are resources and are the collateral to the FED bonds. We have been operating in debt since 1933, and only dug deeper. It is already happening, we will have to take jobs not based on creativity and freedom - commerce, production, and freedom of choice of a low paying job will be common ground for us all if we are so lucky. We operate on "fractional reserve" therefore hyperinflation is destined to ensue. You and I are already "securitized" through social security. Government will just be to maintain order, our money is debt, and it is about to get pretty bad folks. Depression 2.5 is around the corner. Only way out will be New World Currency, where freedom as you know it will be in the past.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

I agree. I have more of a Jacque Fresco approach to it then a occupy wall st approach. I say we all come together. Just like the world, occupy is spread apart and divided. We the 99 need to unite in one central location. I believe the problem is bigger then The United States. However, we are known as the most powerful and we are going to fall. Even china is having a hard time holding itself together. They just issued a statement saying to stop practicing religion or else. Communism will never work just like our government will never work. any intelligent fool can make things bigger,faster and stronger it takes a touch of genius to go in the opposite direction.

[-] 0 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 12 years ago

We were destined to fail as this country. Economic control Interest/debt/inflation is slavery. We are destined for a form of communism. We will all work and will have to. We will have no choice of careers anymore. Nobody is technically free. We all pay one way or another, either through inflation, taxes, or debt interest. It is all the same, we are slaves of commerce - hence perpetual debt slaves.
Watch this , it is truth and I offer the truth - nothing more


[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

Yea man I am totally on bored with him. He is on board with The Venus Project as well. People like us need to get together. I hate to do this but I am serious about dropping all these dead weight people until we can get the world into a healthy world. I am tired of these drunk humans falling out of bars and wasting my resources. This world will not be here forever. We need to manage it. All these humans say its my body and I can do what I want. It is not there fault to a extent. They are not educated to what is meaningful and what is stupid. I figured all this out on my own. I woke up one morning and just thought about how the world works and what we do, what I waste and how I harm myself. I came to the conclusion we make the most horrible decisions ever.

[-] 0 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 12 years ago

My bother or sister, it starts with a thought. Then make it an idea. Create as your creator has empowered you. Seek truth, exploit falsehood but gently. You must abandon bias, greed, fear, all negative emotion. No more division. It hurts at first. Swear no allegiance to any person. Follow with your heart. I am with you. You and I know that what they do is bad. Some need to make mistakes to learn it was the wrong path. Some learn by instinct, heart , example. When I was a kid I was awake. It wasn't until I placed a stake in it I became a little lost. I let it go. I went back to start. I was forced in a way, but I woke up. We are the minority. It has gotten unmanageable. There will be no freedom, you and I will pay for what the others do by having more privileges taken. Be good

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

Is there any way we can stay in contact besides this forum. I feel exactly the same way as you. Call it the power of god, call it a spiritual awaking I really don't care. We are right cause it is not possible to be wrong. let me know!

[-] 0 points by NewEnglandPatriot (916) from Dartmouth, MA 12 years ago

I cannot post my e-mail here, I can send you a message here to start. I will post a message to you on another location...here.... It will be encoded.
There is a riddle. I think if you look within you will find the answer ;) http://www.illuminatiorder.info The twinkling star leads to the message board.

[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

there is no direct voting system in US like in countries with developing democracy. NO, we can't change anything. No, we have no choise. Republican or Democrat. the candidates are already taken. One president or another - what is the distinction beetween them in issues of social policy?

[-] -1 points by Idaltu (662) 12 years ago

I don't disagree with you at all...so how do you get people to stop pitiching fuck'in tents and start flooding D.C. with marchers, leaflets, boycotts etc.?

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

I dont know. What I do know is we need to figure it right now. What do you think? I want to get on tv. I don't care if I go to jail. This is stupid and I will not conform to this world any longer.

[-] 0 points by Idaltu (662) 12 years ago

I'm 68 years old and watching a bunch of idiots trying to protest away their shackles. Its a fuck'in war but the people on this forum don't know it yet. Half of them want to sing Kumbayah and the other half are trolls and naysayers who couldn't find their assholes with both hands. They might notice when the national guard is parked on the interstates..

Mainly they don't want pain. Well I have news for them. There is no way to win a war without pain. What to do? The options are few...but one almost non violent method would be to surround The United States Capitol Building with a couple of million people and don't let the assholes out until demands have been met. Fuck the cops and the guards....sit on top of them...they can't stop a million people. Rush the son of a bitches and don't stop.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

That would be a method. I am 23 and my dad is millionaire. I grew up in that rich bubble and it is a miserable worthless lie. Being rich does not make you happy. It makes you dark it makes you lose sight of the true power and worth of humanity. Consumed by greed and everything else. Trying to buy love from us. Thats what this country has done. It showered us in wealth to hide the truth. the problem must end now. I have had enough. WE MUST STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS. we have people dying in the streets then we have 1% that is secure and has everything they need and could easily help the few that don't. Anonymous says to expect us but the time is now the clock has struck zero. Obama brings these troops back just in time to pass this bill. It is obscured.

[-] 1 points by Idaltu (662) 12 years ago

Well even at 68 I am ready to rumble..so how do we get 2 million people together to take over the Capitol building? If you have a string of contacts start pulling them together...get people to agree to show up ...set a date...July 4th comes to mind if we are not under martial law by then,

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 12 years ago

I say we use this page. I mean it is going to be hard but something has to be done.

[-] -1 points by RussellFeingold (55) 12 years ago

Only a Nazi could explain it: