Forum Post: i need an economics historian, a philosopher, an it expert, an economist
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 3, 2011, 7:11 p.m. EST by neworder
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protests everywhere, that is sooo chic. but no serious discussion to solve the problem...money. my view anyway. the financial/economic system (system) we have now was not the same in say 1850? it has evolved into what it is today. so, it CAN change. do you believe the system will be changed again over the next 100/300 years? i do. what will it be like? i believe the current system has outlived its usefulness/effectiveness and that is why we see what we see. so what are we goingto DO? would the people mentioned in my title line please take some time off, forget the 99% out there and start thinking about a new system (new order). what could that be? i believe money -the lack of it, too much in too few hands, abuse of it etc- is the central problem, what do you do when you have a problem? you (try) to get rid of it. so, get rid of money. how, what do you put in its place? the above people, please start THINKING!!! i will give you several decades to implement a new system, but i have some ideas now, but this forum is not a suitable place for quiet and serious discussion; i will try and reply to some serious response and maybe start a discussion elsewhere (?) anyway, there are elections coming up in both new zealand and the US and here in nz i for one will not vote as a form of protest, because the return to power of any party will only be a continuation of the satus quo and in my opinion 'business as usual' is over. what better time/opportunity to send a message to the politicians? curious to receive feedback.
Well, I ain't no Marx Brother, just a "professional student," but I think that the General Assemblies of the various Occupations are a starting point...especially if the General Strike of Capital (otherwise known as the economic crisis which began in 2008) is joined by us: this would involve the unions transferring their allegiance (i.e. forming Workers' Councils to transfer economic power) to the 99%, as represented by GA's transformed, probably by proportional representation, into fully functioning organs of local government.
This is what I see as the ultimate potential of the #Occupy movement: authentic economic democracy. Rest assured the 1% likewise are aware of this potential: this is why they will stop at nothing, up to and including nuclear aggression against Iran, rounding up the various Occupations and detaining us in concentration camps, etc. in order to try to stop us.
Prepare for the coming struggle!
thank you all for your replies. weekend coming up in new zealand and i'm going to be busy with family stuff. but will come back asap with more firmed up ideas, but please remember: this is early days only. btw, are you any of my title line persons or do you know any?
There is no reason, in my opinion, that we need to rule out the voting booth as one of the ways of making positive change. I don't think we should rule out ANY process of affecting positive change. Why should we? To do so is simply to limit our options.
so what are your "new order" / "no money" ideas?
this movement is to voice all the ideas.. pick the best one's ... put them all together... reclaim the extracted capital... and move forward...
brad, thanks for reply.it appears that the current system has hit a brickwall and that is why we have all these protests. however protesting alone will ultimately achieve nothing unless there is a change.i think we need a new non-money based system based on a type of work-related credit /verifieable work record ( that is already in place), that's why you get paid... among other people that's why i need an it specialist to examine the feasability. the work involved would be monstruos and will take many years, but continuing as usual will only increase the protest until it gets out of hand. protests have CHANGED things in the past but they were only catalysts for further action.
neworder, think about this... we need everything
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