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Forum Post: I know of three women who died unexpectedly under mysterious circumstances in the PRIVATE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

Posted 4 years ago on June 5, 2014, 11:03 a.m. EST by TheUglyTruth (27)
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All three women died within the same 12 month period. All three women were relatively young and relatively healthy but overweight. All three women took ill suddenly, went into the emergency room and died overnight. I personally knew one of them and had a long talk with the husband of another. Those two were both on multiple prescription drugs. Not for anything serious. Just the usual crap that most Americans over the age of 40, overweight Americans in particular are diagnosed with. One that I know of was on a pain killer for a minor back problem.

As far as I know, these women did NOT suffer heart attacks. So what killed them?

Perhaps, it was the same thing that almost killed my step-dad in one of the highest rated hospitals in the country, which by the way, means CRAP to me. My step-dad went into the emergency room in 2012 because of a pounding erratic heartbeat. There was no doubt in my mind that it was just the latest in a long line of prescription drug side-effects. I had already witnessed the effects and done the research. Unfortunately, I was the ONLY one to take that possibility seriously. My step-dad's heart beat was not stabilized until 4 days later.

So what the hell took so long?

I'll tell you what took so long. It took 4 days of screaming at my mother and those drug-pushing pigs at the 'high rated' hospital in order to convince them to do what should should have been done sooner. After all, the 'fast, slow, or irregular' heart beat side-effect was well documented.

After 4 days, they FINALLY took the side-effect possibility seriously and cut his meds. One or more of which, as I knew from day one, caused the erratic heartbeat to begin with.

Within 18 hours of the cut, my step-dads heartbeat was back to normal.

But that's not what almost killed him.

Those doctors could not leave well enough alone. You see, when doctors reluctantly cut prescription drugs at the request of a patient or loved one, they always look for some excuse to add one or more in order to keep that pharmaceutical money train rolling. This was two years ago and I do not recall what they added to his daily pharmaceutical cocktail on that occasion but I do remember that it caused a 'major' interaction with another prescription drug which he never should have been taking to begin with.

The 'major' interaction was potentially fatal. In fact, the two drugs (one of which I do not recall) should never have been taken together because according to the FDA, even by their corrupt standards, the risk of death outweighed the potential benefit (Potential benefit, that's a good one. After 12 years of witnessing the effects that prescription drugs have had on my step-dad, I can honestly say that I'm not aware of any benefit. In fact, he is taking less now, at 81 then he was 10 years ago and despite his age, he is doing BETTER ON LESS. A LOT BETTER.).

When my step-dads condition took another nose-dive right there in one of the highest rated hospitals in the country, I got his updated drug list, hit the web (again), and quickly found that potentially fatal drug interaction. Those drugs had been administered to him right there in the hospital.

So much for their high rating. It means CRAP.

I immediately called the hospital, spoke to a nurse and doctor, and hopefully, blew out their fxxxxxx eardrums screaming to them what they should have already known regarding that potentially fatal drug interaction. After all, it was well documented. I made another call to my mother.

The issue was addressed, the meds were cut and my step-dads condition improved drastically (again) within 18 hours of that cut.

This isn't the whole story. Not by a long shot. My step-dad is doing great now on only two prescription drugs (very low dose, less than prescribed, we cut pills) plus baby aspirin but I'm going to have to write a fxxxxxx novel to explain just how difficult and stressful it has been to get to this point.

In the meantime, those who cared for all three women who died unexpectedly in the hospital should demand every fxxxxxx document related to their 'treatment' and find out what the hell went on during their last few hours of life. In particular, WHAT the hell DRUGS they were on.

To be continued...



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[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (5843) 4 years ago

More examples of how stinking bad US medical is. US medical was destroyed by corporations.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''The Business Interests Behind America's Costly Medical Care'', by Dr. Philip Caper :

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 4 years ago

When, where and How??

How are people commenting, if they don't know the vital info??????????

We should all know that private healthcare puts profit over actual healthcare, but the ACA governs that to a more equitable deal, a new healthcare deal. Maybe Hillary can pick up where she left off and get us Public Healthcare!!

One thing's for sure, we're all fucked if we don't Vote!

[-] 2 points by TheUglyTruth (27) 4 years ago

I don't have all the details regarding the three cases but I do know that all three women were over 40 and overweight. At least two of the three were on prescription drugs for minor conditions (probably all three) and all three women died suddenly under mysterious circumstances. I'm not here to allege that any of them died because of corruption or incompetence but I do see that as a real possibility. In fact, if I were a surviving family member, I would demand every document related to their care and start looking for possible causes. Life threatening prescription drug side-effects and interactions in particular. That industry has become reckless and irresponsible in that regard. The masses have as well popping pills for every little ache and pain with little or no regard for the possible side-effects and interactions.

I really don't have a problem with any entity that provides a legitimate service to make a profit. I also don't have a problem admitting that some of the work done by the health care industry is legitimate (I believe it's about 1/3.). But greed has corrupted health care just like every other industry. That particular form of evil is at the heart of just about every major issue including the outrageous cost of health care.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''Study : 70 Percent Of Americans On Prescription Drugs'', by 'CBS' :

Researchers find that nearly 70 percent of Americans are on at least one prescription drug, and more than half receive at least two prescriptions.

Mayo Clinic researchers report that antibiotics, antidepressants and painkiller opioids are the most common prescriptions given to Americans. Twenty percent of U.S. patients were also found to be on five or more prescription medications.

The study is uncovering valuable information to the researchers about U.S. prescription practices.

“Often when people talk about health conditions they’re talking about chronic conditions such as heart disease or diabetes,” Dr. St. Sauver stated in a Mayo Clinic press release. “However, the second most common prescription was for antidepressants — that suggests mental health is a huge issue and is something we should focus on. And the third most common drugs were opioids, which is a bit concerning considering their addicting nature.”

Nearly one in four women ages 50-64 were found to be on an antidepressant, with 13 percent of the overall population also on antidepressants. Seventeen percent of people in the study were being prescribed antibiotics, and 13 percent were on painkilling opioids.

As a whole, women and older adults received the most prescription drugs. Antidepressants and opioids were most common among young and middle-aged adults.

The percentage of people who took at least one prescription drug in the past month increased from 44 percent in 1999-2000 to 48 percent in 2007-08, the Mayo Clinic reports. Expenditures on prescription drugs reached $250 billion in 2009, and accounted for 12 percent of total personal health care expenditures.

According to the CDC, the percent of persons using at least one prescription drug in the past month increased nearly 50 percent between 2007 and 2010.

And the researchers said prescription drug spending will only increase in the future.


The above item is copied verbatim from the link above & also fyi, do further consider :

Thanx for the important forum-post. This is a huge issue that Corporate MSM won't go near for rather obvious reasons. Best wishes to you and yours.

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by TheUglyTruth (27) 4 years ago

Thank you for the entry. I'll be saving it. Stay tuned for the next post regarding my step-dad. It's a doozy.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Yes, your follow up forum-post was a ''doozy'' and in compliment, I append and recommend :

spero meliora ...

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago
[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

'''Big Bucks Big Pharma' : Marketing Disease & Pushing Drugs''(Documentary Film) :

'''Big Bucks, Big Pharma' pulls back the curtain on the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry to expose the insidious ways that illness is used, manipulated, and in some instances created, for capital gain. Focusing on the industry’s marketing practices, media scholars and health professionals help viewers understand the ways in which direct-to-consumer (DTC) pharmaceutical advertising glamorizes and normalizes the use of prescription medication, and works in tandem with promotion to doctors. Combined, these industry practices shape how both patients and doctors understand and relate to disease and treatment. Ultimately, 'Big Bucks, Big Pharma' challenges us to ask important questions about the consequences of relying on a for-profit industry for our health and well-being.''

''The neoliberal transformation of American health care is by no means a uniquely American phenomenon. In Europe, for instance, the dictates of austerity — through cuts, rising user fees, and declining services — are being used to initiate the unraveling of systems of universal health care. The English NHS, similarly, has taken a truly historic turn towards privatization. Meanwhile, multinational health care corporations — long poised at the perimeter — have begun exploring and penetrating these long protected markets.

''The neoliberal turn in American health care, that is to say, is part of a much more fundamental transformation, beyond the borders of both America and of health care, and away from the promise of economic justice itself.''

ipsa scientia potestas est ...

[-] 1 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

I know three women who didn't.

[-] 4 points by TheUglyTruth (27) 4 years ago

That's one hell of an argument. You must have done very well on your debate team. By the way, I know three women who didn't get killed by drunk drivers. So much for those pesky laws.


[-] 2 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

Three in any direction is hardly a statistically significant sample. I saw 3 people pee on the street in downtown Chicago one day. Does that mean that there is an outbreak of public urination? Or that I just saw three people peering on the street in one day?

I did better in my statistics class than my debate class.

PS. I am in favor of a British style health service. You just got to do a better a job of presenting your argument.

[-] 3 points by TheUglyTruth (27) 4 years ago

But those three women all died within the same tri-county area within the same 12 month period. The fact that I personally know of all three cases under those mysterious circumstances purely by chance with no inside information alone is compelling. Throw in the scores of well documented cases involving financially motivated corruption and fraud within the health care industry and the circumstances become even more compelling.

If you saw three people pee on the street just outside of a bar on a Friday night and none anywhere else on the same day, then there would probably be no cause for alarm. But if you saw three people pee on three different streets within the same community on the same day, then yes, it would indicate the strong possibility of widespread public urination.

I've got a multitude of examples to cite indicating a profound disregard for drug-related side-effects within the private health care industry. The most compelling of which will be posted on it's own page very soon. It's a doozy. In fact, it's worthy of national attention. Stay tuned.

[-] 1 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

So they died in the same hospital? Does that automatically make it universal epidemic?

You witnessed three anamolies. Nothing more.

[-] 2 points by TheUglyTruth (27) 4 years ago

Different hospitals. Similar circumstances. and it's four if you count my step-dad's near death experience. His case will be posted in more detail soon. It's a doozy. So far, I've only scratched the surface.

[-] 1 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

20 is statistically significant. 3 isn't. I agree with you, but are going have a lot convincing other people based on anecdotes.

[-] 1 points by TheUglyTruth (27) 4 years ago

Three damn well is significant under the circumstances. I've already explained why. But I have yet another example to cite. A few years ago, my mother went to the emergency room after two days of severe abdominal pain. She was subjected to a barrage of medical tests. As I recall, those tests included one blood test, two EKGs, and one ultrasound. After a full night in the hospital, her doctors were unable to diagnose her problem with any certainty. Once again, their failure was the result of PROFOUND IGNORANCE. I know this because I did the research myself and quickly found what the doctors had missed. Her pain killer was known to interact with her blood pressure drug. Severe abdominal pain and nausea were among the symptoms of that interaction.

Fortunately for my mother, the interaction was not fatal. Just very painful.

[-] 1 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

Anecdotal evidence is not the same as statistical evidence.

Look, I agree with you, but you come off sounding like Fox News when they talk about the knockout game.

[-] 4 points by TheUglyTruth (27) 4 years ago

I don't watch FOX so I don't know what they have said regarding the knockout game. But I can take a wild guess. Too much?

It is possible that one or more of those women were to blame for their own deaths. I say that knowing that a lot of people out there pop and mix pills with little or no regard for the complications. I have caught my own mother doing so more than once. But I also know first hand that most doctors are notorious for ignoring or playing down the issue of drug related side-effects and interactions. I only know of one personally who went out of her way to warn my mother about them. That was several years ago. I met that doctor. I trusted her for a brief time. She was very personable and careful. Never in a rush. I once rode with her in an elevator and walked her to her car asking questions about my mother along the way. She answered every one of them. She drove a nice but modest Ford sedan. Now, that doctor has given up general practice for a higher paying career in a specialized field. She drives a Cadillac Escalade. Her down to Earth standards of care are long gone according to my mother. She has become like the majority. Jacking up her charges to way over $100 per visit, prescribing drugs with no mention of the side-effects, and rushing her patients out of the office in order to see more of them and reap as many dollars as possible per day.

Cadillacs aren't cheap.

Greed is a very intoxicating form of evil and health care has become a very corrupt industry. It's only getting worse. Kudos to those who buck the trend. They deserve as much credit as they can get but they seem few and far in between. At present time, I can not name a single doctor that I trust.

[-] 1 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

Again. I AGREE with you! I'm just trying to help you back it up. Get some WHO stats or something, not just a couple of stories.

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

How so ''nothing more'' ?! How do YOU know that exactly ?!! Finally - consider that a little humility and appreciation of TUT's p-o-v if not points, would not go amiss here as manners if not empathy, matter !!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

"do your good deeds in secret " is a cop out

put in the bible by the rich so they could pass judgement

[+] -4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

It's ''cop out'' Matt and please familiarise yourself with the 'edit function' when making comments - but I do get your point, I think & so .. a camel, eye of a needle and a rich man, do seem to come to mind ;-)

pax ...


[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

That's all that was presented in the OP. Empathy doesn't win arguments. Facts do.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

''Empathy doesn't win arguments'' huh ?! What's the ''argument'' here and what ''facts'' have you brought to the table ?!! Again consider that a li'l humility, good manners and empathy DO matter and how come you ignored the ''facts'' of that truth.out link to you, just above ?!!!

We can squabble about the nature of ''win'' & 'subjectivity and objectivity', if you like or you can get your head around some important ''facts'', it's your choice ... but do trust me please, when I suggest that you really need to open, read and reflect on the 1st following link and explore that web-site too ... IF you are truly against Corporatocracy & Plutocracy & truly for Democracy.

veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] -1 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

If you had actually read any of my posts ever, you'd know that I am against democracy.

Facts and truths are all all there is; I'd say their definitions are pretty important.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

You are ''against democracy'', huh ?!!! Me, myself and eYe (cf. Sigmund Freud, lol) am a real militant for democracy & it is at the core of my fundamental personal, political, psychological, societal and spiritual tenets !! So - give us your ''facts and truths'' and let's have at it !

I will go first if you want. So - have you got the gonads to read if not address the ''facts'' of this link now -

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

Dimensions of the Attack

it speaks in terms of enemies

[+] -4 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

But who is doing the 'speaking' there Matt ?

minima maxima sunt ...

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 4 years ago

should we not be more concerned with the message?

[-] -2 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

LOL !!! For sure !! BUT whose ''message'' is it and who's bringing us the ''message'' ?!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

Yes! I am for NYCGA style consensus decision making. I am not in favor of majority rules.

What does gonads have to do with fact? Facts are facts regardless of my attitude towards them.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

'OWS NYCGA : Declaration' ...

The links above and below are appended for the standing record and to facilitate possible agreement (hopefully, lol) re. ''consensus'' :

However, leaving aside the 'objective or subjective' reality of your gonads out of it {and I will apologise - IF alluding to them was offensive to you} ... that still really does leave the 'objective fact' of my previous link [ http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/ ] & your view of the contents, so any thoughts ?

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

I'm not offended by you talking about my testicles, just a little grossed out.

Your link has nothing to the democracy question, it's about corporate personhood.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Don't be ''grossed out'' by your own ''testicles'' (or lack of them) dude, it's only nature ! Are you saying that ''corporate personhood'' has nothing to do with ''democracy'' ?!! What are your views on ''corporate personhood'' then - and / or .. what are your own fundamental problems with ''democracy'', actually ?!!!

I do think that I have gained some wee insights into the 'subjective nature' of some of your ''facts'' btw :

caveat orator ...

[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

I'm grossed out by your obsession with my testes. The abolition of corporate personhood and the abolition of democracy are two different issues.

Have you actually ever read any of my posts ever?

[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Nope ! I only alluded to your bollocks once by the by and that's really very far from ''obsession'' I would suggest, lol !! Re. your ''posts'' ... am I actually supposed to know you or any of your views on anything and who even mentioned ''abolition'' of 'corporate personhood or democracy' .. other than you that is ?!!!

If you don't wish to take this any further - that's ok but straw men, red herrings or non sequitors will only expose you as a possible purveyor of specious canards and / or just another Right-Libertarian blowhard.

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

My sex organs are long way away from thinking organ. Libertarians are anarchists with an identity crisis and I am far from an authoritarian right winger.

You don't have to read my mind, but don't go around just arbitrarily accusing people of supporting democracy.

[-] -1 points by shadz66 (19985) 4 years ago

Hmmm - ''arbitrarily accusing people of supporting democracy'' ?! Nope, I wasn't doing that to you was I, lol ?!! However, if you are really not ''an authoritarian right winger'' and given you also express some kind of disdain for ''Libertarians'' - then I (now clearly erroneously) thought you would easily get why someone on the OWS Forum with its '99% / 1% meme' - would try to defend or even eulogise ''democracy'', which Sir Winston Churchill even described as - ''the worst form of government - except for all the others'', lol !!!

quod erat demonstrandum ...

[EDIT : Re. Henry David Thoreau & your comment below, see : https://occupywallst.org/forum/the-new-normal-corporate-bullies-compliance-fixed-/#comment-1034525 ]

[-] 0 points by HCabret2014 (-11) 4 years ago

Thoreau implores us to look beyond democracy to something more just and free. We should accept mediocrity, just because we're too lazy to improve our system of governance. Democracy is outdated.