Forum Post: I got a question for these "haters"
Posted 12 years ago on Jan. 16, 2012, 1:26 p.m. EST by 4TheHumanSocietyProject
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Why they hating on us. Detailed explanations please. I would ask you not say because you are lazy and fucktard. I want to know why you think in detail what we are doing is wrong and why what you are doing is right. I thank you for reading and if you need help let me know.
People love & people hate (someone with a literature background insert poem here) :)
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help's me self-esteem ... forget the American Dream ...
some come to wall st ... to slice and dice the pie...
others come to wall st ... and stay here wondering why...
Fika zie, fika do. Too many fikan idiots around here for me and you!
OK, I'll go type in the corner... :(
Don't come out until your feet hurt! Shame on you.
lol :) Peace out :)
:-) peace.
The idea that democracy protects rights seems to be prevalent amongst most OWSers. This is not true. It is only when rights are considered inalienable that democracy can exist. A country's democracy must never be construed to have the power to violate anyone's rights, no matter how despised such person or group may be. It makes no sense to imply that simply because a decision was reached democratically, those empowered by that decision may violate the rights of others, nor that rights are the result of a social contract or some other such fiction. Rights are fundamental principles upon which a man may act, which do not violate the same rights of others and which are applicable to all people at all times.
The end never justifies the means. Yes this country built roads and schools and many other facilities and infrastructures through taxation, which is a violation of right. And these (for the most part) are good things. But was taxation the only way to provide these things? No. Would they have come into existence without coercive force? Yes, though not in the same order and way. Does the fact that they are good justify the violation of the rights of others as a means of achieving them? I say no. To say yes to the previous question is to say yes to Nazi Germany. Pan-Germanism would have been great..... for the Germans (more likely for their leaders rather than the people themselves). But at the cost of subordinating the rest of the world to the whims of a single country's elite? Or even a majority?
Have you heard of Jacque Fresco?
yeah he is an old fart
Well yes he is old.
and a fart
fart/färt/ Verb:
Emit gas from the anus. Noun:
An emission of gas from the anus.
I am sorry but he is not that.
how about 'idiot' then?
I do not want opinions. I want facts. Can you give me some facts on why you believe he is a idiot?
not to mention he is illiterate
Where do i start? The whhole Venus project nonsense to begin with
why?
let us have a discussion of his ideas, perhaps?
Which Ideas would you like to discuss?
I don't know. You're the one who wants people to know who he is.
Well I want to know why you think he is a idiot. Can you tell me why and how you came up with that conclusion?
When did I ever say that? I don't even know who he is. Are you going to enlighten us on what he proposes or what?
You're long winded and unintelligible.
people are against you guys because you are ruining the integrity of this country. you people forget what this country was built on, hard work and and making things for yourself. when our founding fathers were creating this country they didnt mean for the country to control as much as they do today, and you people are implying that the government should control more and make it harder for small buissnesses to succeed and expand.
we think that there should not be higher taxes for any one. if you work hard and make a decent living you should be able to keep as much as possible of your own money.
Discounting the Occupy movement as a bunch of impotent idiots begging for free money is a serious error. I completely agree with the principles behind the Occupy Wall Street movement, and I feel that the dismissal of income inequality as a non-issue spawned of thin skins and jealousy is a grave error even though if they and I both succeed in life I'll probably wind up paying more in taxes than I would otherwise.
I grew up working poor in the Bronx and am currently at MIT thanks to a crazily determined mother and a strong, supportive working class community. Simply speaking from my experience and from what I've seen, poor choices may be a part of why people are poor, but they're hardly enough of the picture to just be able to point the finger at an entire population and brand them as lazy, stupid, and useless.
I'll be the first to admit that what I did was hardly in a vacuum. Not everybody has a mother who is a licensed teacher who was willing to quit her job to live as a poor housewife so that she could homeschool her children to keep them out of a failing school system. Not everybody has a father who could find and hold onto a union job with good benefits up until his son's sophomore year of high school, weather an eleven-month strike and a plant closure, and manage to get another union job within a few months of being laid off. Not everybody has a landlord willing to hold off a rent increase for a year longer than he had to to cut us a break. Not everyone knows an incredibly kind nun who just dropped off $500 at our doorstep one month when we couldn't fully make rent on time.
It is theoretically possible to bootstrap oneself out of poverty, but damn near nobody who truly got anywhere satisfactory in life came from absolutely nothing. There is always the one that does, and that person is so many different kinds of amazing it's not funny, but usually there are support systems there that you didn't see that your average bootstrapper was able to take advantage of. There are also whole communities in which the resources don't exist for those kinds of support systems to develop organically and therein lies the trap. When you have someone who comes from a broken home, spends his days in a school that doesn't teach him and where large chunks of the student body punish success, in a community where few people care and the ones that do truly have no support to offer, you've essentially spent his whole life teaching him that success is out of his reach and he'd be a fool to reach for it.
The whole point of discarding this ugly attitude about the economically less fortunate is because only then are you going to watch the kind of change that you're hoping for. Give the poor real economic support for things like going to college and/or vocational training so that they can ditch their minimum-wage job for something they can actually live on. Send their kids to strong, high-performing schools where success is expected and rewarded. Truly offer them opportunity and you'd be amazed at how fast they would take it. Now, if you give someone every opportunity in the book and they still blow it, then feel free to dump them on the roadside; I won't stop you. But until that's been done your attitude is simply part of the problem.
The other major thing we're going to have to look at is what exactly we plan on doing with our poor and our working class; as of right now, the latter (right along with the middle class) is and has been taking one hit after another due to factors like deunionization and outsourcing, and something has to be done about that. A nation composed entirely of BS's and BA's sounds like a great idea in theory, but there are groups of people who truly don't fit into that model and there has to be a better answer for them than "Go flip burgers" or "It's your fault you're underwater for trying to better yourself."
We need to have something more to our economy than just a small group of high-earning professionals with advanced degrees and a large unwashed (and presumably expendable) mass of Starbucks baristas and McDonalds employees trying to make ends meet on $7-$8 per hour, and that's going to mean forcing jobs back over here in the long term as well as a fair number of other measures including reconstruction of our national infrastructure (which would serve to provide stopgap employment until a new manufacturing industry got under way, and would create a fair number of additional permanent maintenance jobs over the long haul) if we want to fix things.
I stand behind OWS namely because I see them as the first movement with enough raw manpower and raw anger to be in a position to force these issues in the long term, and because their initial direction is close enough to mine that action towards their goals would most likely also serve the ends I outline above. We're fairly raucous and unorganized, and we're far from perfect, but as far as I can see Occupy Wall Street is the first real start in this direction I've seen on the national stage.
thats not what i was talking about at all. i dont care that you dont want to work, if you are happy not making a lot of money more power to ya. but dont be envious of someone else that has something that you dont.
Wait, what? This is not about people demanding a free ride (especially not in my case; I'm putting in 60-80 hours a week already in college and am probably going to continue at that speed for the rest of my life, and I don't really have a problem with that), nor is this about envy (I don't care who makes what or how many houses they have; I just want to be able to make a decent life for myself and my family, and I want everyone else to be able to do the same.) What I said above goes for a large chunk of the Occupy movement; many of them are here for the reasons I described in my original reply even though they themselves are working professionals who are comfortably middle-class. Basically, we're not in this for ourselves; we're in this for America twenty years down the line.
I am the father of three daughters who worked as a merchant marine for most of my life. I have put two daughters through university (Fordham and McGill) and my other daughter has her own gardening business in Vermont. I am here to see that they and my granddaughter have a better life, a life where our elected officials don't rig the system in favor of big money interests at the expense of the rest of us.
Well aren't you and "a large chunk" givers then?
This is the classic reply. "Who said we want a free ride? I don't! And I know most of us don't." You know most of 'you'? The only useful thing that occasionally bubbles to the surface from the 'movement' is a suggestion to get the money out of politics. Great idea. Never happen.
Other than that it's "Abolish money" and "Forgive student debt" and "A basic income for all no matter what you do." That large chunk you mentioned happens to be a bunch of unicorn/rainbow/drum circle/nostlagia-fueled/wish we were alive when there were hippies on a make-believe trip to 1968.
There is a core group here who are in fact radicals, idiots, conspiracy theorists, etc. who slap our name on their half-baked theories and proposals and then leave us to deal with the resulting black eye, and I spend as much time telling them to cut the crap as I do dealing with people put off by their crap. The fact of the matter is that the off-the-wall ideas are not going to shape the future of this country no matter how obnoxious their proponents are, and while they make for a great point-and-laugh moment they're not an acceptable excuse for walking away rather than trying to push the movement in a more moderate, policy-oriented direction.
Blame me dude.
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I'm agitated because many on this sight love Obama. He is as corrupt and supported by wall street as much as any politician, or more. Why the love for this guy?
I am against the system, it corrupts.
They Hate you because they scared of you, they got away with so much for so long, they worked so long to creat a system, and they feel you are shaking that system.
http://www.sasbook.com/sasnews/?p=811
THE TRUTH &LIES WATCH THIS Strange how every “terrorist” event in the past ten or fifteen years benefited the various imperial governments of Britain, Israel, Australia and the USA. These false flag terror operations help cement power, by spreading terror throughout the victim nation. By spreading the effects of terror–pictures of damage and film interviews of mass hysteria and confusion–the mainstream media of the traumatized country served as an unquestioning, ultra-effective propaganda vehicle. The national media acts as a brilliant, second phase of the false flag operation, by further spreading the terror while muddying the waters to any conflicting evidence or subsequent investigation.
Let me list a few suspicious events that helped cement power in the four countries. There are dozens, and I;m sertain you can think of many more, but I’ve only listed six. Each event intended to (A) scapegoat a group or individual, while (B) removing power from the unsuspecting people, while (C ) giving more power to the government, while (D) directing hostility toward the intended group, or individual, while (E) muddying the facts of the story for future reference. If you control the events and control the story than you control the people, for your own purposes.
Fortunately, for those who created the false flag terror operation, the US media kept a lid on doubters after the critical first day—and has ever since—labeling them ‘Conspiracy theorists.’
OKC screamed false flag, then and now. The intended target? The US militia groups, millions of law-abiding patriots and Constitutionalists that had grown significantly after the Waco Massacre by the Clinton/ Reno crime cult. Predictably, a pre-programmed patsy, Timothy McVeigh, was tied to a militia group and blamed for the entire massacre.
Successful? You bet (thus far). To scapegoat an Islamic group, a group revealed and then reviled within hours and days. To target an ever-widening group to be attacked in the years to come. To contain or control all conflicting evidence. To contain or control all conflicting witnesses. To marginalize, or demonize, all skeptics and whistleblowers (Somewhat successful thus far, but growing less so until the internet can be marginalized). And to allow the corporate-owned, complicit US media free rein to keep a lid on doubts. After the critical first day, the US media has acted as a government bureau by spreading and cementing the official story.
911: A False Flag Exemplar.
The purpose of 911 was manifold. To spread fear. To distract the public about critical missing Pentagon trillions. To create a new power elite in as few hands as possible. To create a wider swath of powerful new “enemies,” shadowy groups able to attack us here in America. To then create a powerful pretense to attack them and gain possession of their resources; and to destroy as much of the US Constitution as possible and thus cement more power.
And the Port Arthur Massacre worked perfectly. The clueless Aussie media, headed by future Fox mogul, Rupert Murdoch, served almost as a propaganda ministry for the brand new John Howard administration, and brushed all doubts and conflicting evidence away.
Where it remains hidden today, forever it seems. Reportedly, access to the Port Arthur case is forbidden to investigators for the next 30 years. No CSI for the Port Arthur coverup Aussies, meanwhile, remain virtually weaponless under “benevolent” Big Brother and John Howard.
London Bombing 7-7. Meant to scapegoat Islamic people, of course. (Are we seeing a pattern here?). Served to terrorize Londoners and allow draconian, new power measures while bolstering lagging support of the war in Iraq. Perhaps even served as a punitive strike, to punish Londoners for their lack of war support.
Lebanon-Israel Attack. The wily Israelis, to their credit and everlasting shame, borrowed a play from Hitler and the Nazis. Create a false flag incident at the border and retaliate in the confusion. The Nazis started a war with the weaker country of Poland in 1939. The Israelis attempted to do the same.
By accusing neighboring Lebanon of capturing two IDF soldiers, Israel claimed a pretext for war. They attacked and invaded Lebanon and the war went badly for the Israelis and Olmert. Thousands of deaths and dismemberments on both sides and the false flag backfired.
ALL TERROR EVENTS, most importantly, allow beleaguered, often inept leaders (Blair, Bush, Olmert, Howard) to go before the public and pretend to be strong, pretend to be “leaderly,” to the terrorized masses. Allegedly under attack, victimized by their own propagandized news organizations, the people seek the solace and protection of their fearless leader, and their government, and embrace them both readily. Helped along by continual doses of hysterical propaganda from the media.
IT IS ALL AN ACT, however, scripted from the very beginning, from the first explosion to the close up on the fearless leader by the TV news camera, focusing on the resolute expression with the flags or the national seal in the background.
Whatever weakness the bumbling leader displayed in the weeks, months or years beforehand, can be brushed aside with a few, well-prepared, scripted speeches. Weakness and incompetence can even be overturned, trumped even, by ordering restrictive (fascistic) new measures. See V for Vendetta, as an excellent film example of this fascistic, false leadership.
False flag events, most importantly of all, serve as a fake, hostile action by some sinister yet vague enemy, requiring some bold, new reaction by the protective government, naturally headed by the leader. Usually the actions–whether laws, restrictions, warnings or declarations (of war)–have already been pre-written. Another clue indicating an obvious false flag operation. One which screams, or should scream, a warning against approaching totalitarianism.
I am inclined to include the recent shooting at VA-Tech as a possible false flag operation. Same type of Manchurian Candidate, lone gunman as the one at Port Arthur. Same super skilled, remorseless gunman possessing killing power that baffles combat-trained specialists. VA Tech, like Port Arthur, appears to be a black operation for the exact same reasons. Oddly, both massacres occurred in late April, and lawmen either could not or would not intervene.
But sometimes what is intended to take freedoms away—Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms—can backfire if enough people see through it. If the US government hopes to use Cho as the poster boy for gun restrictions, and believe me they do, they had better restrict the Internet first.
Oh, wait–They are trying to do that. Another false flag event being prepared as I write this. perhaps some nuke blast to terrify the citizenry, since each event must surpass the former in scope and scale. Vigilance, vigilance, forever the price of liberty.
It's time for you to take a break and leave your mothers basement.
That's just too much bullshit for one person to emit. Please seek help.
Why do you use the word "hate"/"haters". If someone disagrees with you-do you HATE that person? I don't. I can disagree with someone without hating them.
I do not hate anyone. I believe the word know has hating is a little different then the word hate. Just because this society has changed it. I believe it is having a strong aversion to (something).
EVERYONE,,,, yes EVERYONE wants to keep your hands out of our pockets. We are $15 Trillion in debt and you want more. The majority all knows this is not about corporations but about raising the debt that obama could not pull off. You want more of our money. There you go.
it's interesting how you think it's your money ?....
the debt... is passed on to the people... the 1% aren't going to pay it... they have tax shelters....
and all we are asking for is a CHANCE to improve our (the people's) economy enough so WE can pay it.... albeit it is your debt that we will be paying off ...
It's "the rich's" debt? Not one other person except the 1% ever benefited from American tax dollars? They already pay a higher percentage of the American " tab" than the percentage OF the American "money" they take in. But it's THEIR debt?
sounds right... they created it didn't they ?.... I don't recall a poor person making billion dollar bad loans ,,,
Excuse me....but how many of "the rich" are bankers? Financiers? ALL of them? Half? What percentage?
And what percentage of that $15 Trillion dollar debt can be placed squarely on the shoulders of the BANKS?
Give me verifiable stats instead of more ....how did you put it...."inaccurate and stupid statements".
hmmm.... actually I just read many articles on that... are far as validating accuracy ... I'm not that smart yet.... how-ever the mass majority of it was created by the FED... which as I recall is part of the banking system
and btw ... I don't really disagree with what the FED is doing... how-ever I don't understand it all yet....
The FED is part of the banking system, but it shouldn't be. It's a pimple on the butt of our economy. It is not, however, one of the "commercial banks" that are usually named and blamed in the bailout fiasco.
???? those that are usually named and blamed in the bailout fiasco. are the banks who fraudulently packaged and sold the bad derivatives ...
the stock holder's of the Fed ... (maybe dated) http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/federal_reserve.shtml
BradB, I'm asking a favor. You say 1% arent going to pay because of tax shelters. My favor, please post the tax returns that you have access to showing the amount of taxes a rich person is or is not paying. I would wonder how you have access to those files. You do have access? You do have copies of their returns to share the facts you have? You wouldnt post facts you dont actually have facts in your hands,, would you? Bet not. But post them anyone BradB for us to see. (he wont,,, he will just reply with something to distract)
Hi FD... well... I do personally know many very wealthy people who brag about not paying taxes... I will not disclose their names primarily because I like them... and they do ...do good things.... but to be fair... my statement... "the 1% aren't going to pay it" is just as inaccurate and stupid as yours; ... "You want more of our money" .... no?
we've got to stop fighting ourselves ... we ALL want the same things... prosperity for All the world... no ? ....
I have worked for many billionaires in the past... and MOST of them are doing what they can to help the world.... imo... it is the "wanna be rich" & apathetic .. that are fighting us... if you let go of your pre-conceived notions for a min,,, and read thru these forums... you will find many extremely smart, educated and actually successful people here trying desperately to figure out how to fix the problems
You will never gain anything my posting false statements. I met Sam Walton and new many of his family members. I'm pretty close to a guy with $600 million. Both started with very little. Gary dresses in jeans, drives a pickup truck but owns Bentleys, 300 showroom quality exotic cars. He donates huge amounts of money to regional social needs without posting his name to the projects. A huge hospital wing was added and the money was only revealed after the local newspaper forced the hospital to name the donor. I know for a fact he pays taxes because I also know his CPA. I dont know the amount but know it is a huge amount. As far as I know, a huge hospital wing needed for our community has never been donated by a poor guy. If he was not rich, we would not have that wing to save lives. Rich people do that and they never take credit for it. Rather than few rich people I would like more rich people. That would be my goal.
FD... I want more rich people too.... I just also want "zero" poor & starving people ... and I believe we can make that happen ....
think about this... http://occupywallst.org/forum/an-occupation-on-the-edge-of-prosperity-draft/#comment-589115
I do not want any money. I am fighting for the entire world.
We dont want you to fight for us or we would have asked you to. Have a seat
There are people who do. Like the starving children all around the world. The ones who die because we take to much and give to little.
By sitting on your computer. The starving kids thank you.
oh... u care .... ok... what's your solution to help the starving kids ?
I created a group called the human society project. Our goal is simply to strive to eliminate all insecurities and to help prolong the life of all humans. We try to not allow ourselves to be consumed by negative emotion; instead we fight toward a path of righteousness. We believe at The Human Society Project that all humans are capable of living free from the desires and insecurities that come with the human race. All we ask is that you try 100% to remove and fight the urges not necessary to continue a long and prosperous life.
Many of you may know of the man known as Jesus Christ, he was a man known in more than one religion. You may not believe in religion and that is fine. However, we believe in the idea of Jesus Christ. What he stood for. He stood as a man willing to always do the right thing and always would protect the human race at all cost. Now please do not get discouraged at the idea of Jesus Christ we are only using Jesus Christ as a example because we believe that what he stood for is what we all should stand for. we could of used star wars… We could of said we should all be like Yoda. There is many men and characters that stand for a great meaning. All we are trying to do is display that.
Another belief we have is that we need to eliminate all money and simply work on our needs rather than our wants. We believe that this can only be achieved when you realize what right and wrong is. We believe that everyone should work because you want to help the human race because you know it is needed.
In 5 billion years our planet will be engulfed by temperature s hot enough to incinerate the ozone layer of the planet. You may ask what we are doing about it now. We will respond with the government stopped funding the NASA program.
Another thing we believe in is that the only right you have as a human being is the right to live. Those who strive for materialistic objects and induce substances to fill a void simply are giving up the right to live. We also understand you may not be able to stop doing these things at this time and we are willing to help you. ALL WE ASK IS YOU TRY YOU’RE HARDEST. Since we believe the only right you have is to live we must continue on spreading the seed of life throughout the universe.
We at the human society project will help any and all humans with no discrimination involved as long as it is a need and not a want. We will not ask for anything In return but a simple thank you. We have no leader at The Human Society Project as it is not our right to tell you as a human being what to do. You as the human being must simply make the right choices. When we say right we mean what you ultimately feel is 100 percent correct in your heart. We will not stray from this path for this is the path we as humans in this project have chosen.We thank you all for your time and only hope you make the right decision. We love you all! I also do a lot of volunteer work. I will be doing some work to build homes for the homesless and less fortunate tomorrow. Also I give my extra money to those in need.
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I created a group called the human society project. Our goal is simply to strive to eliminate all insecurities and to help prolong the life of all humans. We try to not allow ourselves to be consumed by negative emotion; instead we fight toward a path of righteousness. We believe at The Human Society Project that all humans are capable of living free from the desires and insecurities that come with the human race. All we ask is that you try 100% to remove and fight the urges not necessary to continue a long and prosperous life.
Many of you may know of the man known as Jesus Christ, he was a man known in more than one religion. You may not believe in religion and that is fine. However, we believe in the idea of Jesus Christ. What he stood for. He stood as a man willing to always do the right thing and always would protect the human race at all cost. Now please do not get discouraged at the idea of Jesus Christ we are only using Jesus Christ as a example because we believe that what he stood for is what we all should stand for. we could of used star wars… We could of said we should all be like Yoda. There is many men and characters that stand for a great meaning. All we are trying to do is display that.
Another belief we have is that we need to eliminate all money and simply work on our needs rather than our wants. We believe that this can only be achieved when you realize what right and wrong is. We believe that everyone should work because you want to help the human race because you know it is needed.
In 5 billion years our planet will be engulfed by temperature s hot enough to incinerate the ozone layer of the planet. You may ask what we are doing about it now. We will respond with the government stopped funding the NASA program.
Another thing we believe in is that the only right you have as a human being is the right to live. Those who strive for materialistic objects and induce substances to fill a void simply are giving up the right to live. We also understand you may not be able to stop doing these things at this time and we are willing to help you. ALL WE ASK IS YOU TRY YOU’RE HARDEST. Since we believe the only right you have is to live we must continue on spreading the seed of life throughout the universe.
We at the human society project will help any and all humans with no discrimination involved as long as it is a need and not a want. We will not ask for anything In return but a simple thank you. We have no leader at The Human Society Project as it is not our right to tell you as a human being what to do. You as the human being must simply make the right choices. When we say right we mean what you ultimately feel is 100 percent correct in your heart. We will not stray from this path for this is the path we as humans in this project have chosen.We thank you all for your time and only hope you make the right decision. We love you all! I also do a lot of volunteer work. I will be doing some work to build homes for the homesless and less fortunate tomorrow. Also I give my extra money to those in need. I am helping also by not buying wasteful things. Eating all of my food and not wasting. I am being the change I want to see in my environment. That alone helps in my opinion.
4TheHumanSocietyProject , :) yeah I like your project ... my comment was meant for ... FreeDiscussion1 --- moved it
There will never be a solution. There will always be starving kids. In the middle of America there are parents that will spend OUR welfare money on cigarettes, while their kids go to sleep hungry. When the debt was $5 Trillion someone must have said, "If the debt could be increased to $6 Trillion we could end starvation."
then give the kids the welfare money ...
now seriously ... we will only solve poverty by providing adequate jobs for everyone... and that will also help the wealthy... because it creates more demand...
What if the entire world is like you-and doesn't want any of their money either? Why would anyone fight for someone else...to get something...they don't think is worth wanting themselves???
This world should be about the needs of the many not the wants of the few. That is my opinion.
What are you doing personally to further your ideology and goals??
I created a group called the human society project. Our goal is simply to strive to eliminate all insecurities and to help prolong the life of all humans. We try to not allow ourselves to be consumed by negative emotion; instead we fight toward a path of righteousness. We believe at The Human Society Project that all humans are capable of living free from the desires and insecurities that come with the human race. All we ask is that you try 100% to remove and fight the urges not necessary to continue a long and prosperous life.
Many of you may know of the man known as Jesus Christ, he was a man known in more than one religion. You may not believe in religion and that is fine. However, we believe in the idea of Jesus Christ. What he stood for. He stood as a man willing to always do the right thing and always would protect the human race at all cost. Now please do not get discouraged at the idea of Jesus Christ we are only using Jesus Christ as a example because we believe that what he stood for is what we all should stand for. we could of used star wars… We could of said we should all be like Yoda. There is many men and characters that stand for a great meaning. All we are trying to do is display that.
Another belief we have is that we need to eliminate all money and simply work on our needs rather than our wants. We believe that this can only be achieved when you realize what right and wrong is. We believe that everyone should work because you want to help the human race because you know it is needed.
In 5 billion years our planet will be engulfed by temperature s hot enough to incinerate the ozone layer of the planet. You may ask what we are doing about it now. We will respond with the government stopped funding the NASA program.
Another thing we believe in is that the only right you have as a human being is the right to live. Those who strive for materialistic objects and induce substances to fill a void simply are giving up the right to live. We also understand you may not be able to stop doing these things at this time and we are willing to help you. ALL WE ASK IS YOU TRY YOU’RE HARDEST. Since we believe the only right you have is to live we must continue on spreading the seed of life throughout the universe.
We at the human society project will help any and all humans with no discrimination involved as long as it is a need and not a want. We will not ask for anything In return but a simple thank you. We have no leader at The Human Society Project as it is not our right to tell you as a human being what to do. You as the human being must simply make the right choices. When we say right we mean what you ultimately feel is 100 percent correct in your heart. We will not stray from this path for this is the path we as humans in this project have chosen.We thank you all for your time and only hope you make the right decision. We love you all! I also do a lot of volunteer work.
"However, we believe in the idea of Jesus Christ. What he stood for. He stood as a man willing to always do the right thing and always would protect the human race at all cost." "We could of said we should all be like Yoda. There is many men and characters that stand for a great meaning. All we are trying to do is display that."
1 Neither Jesus Christ, nor Yoda were "human".
2 Both Yoda and Jesus Christ allowed people to die, or be killed when necessary.
"We believe at The Human Society Project that all humans are capable of living free from the desires and insecurities that come with the human race"
3 How can humans be capable of living free from the desires and insecurities that come with (are inherent in) the human race?????
In what religion are you referring to? Jesus was a human to the Jews I believe. Yoda was not real you are correct but what he represented is. I could of used Gandhi or Dali lama. They are not inherent in. They are taught through this society. When you are born you are not jealous of anyone. You learn to be jealous.
That's a generous stretch, all the evidence points to justhefacts being e-gene deficient (empathy gene). [sic] lol
I do not understand what you mean? Can you explain further please?
There's been a search for a gene that regulates 'empathy'.
Some argue that libs and cons differ in their ability to place themselves in other's shoes. This has recently been labeled the e-gene (e for empathy). This research really exploded in '11. Below are oblique cites to some studies;
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-01-humble-people.html
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-12-brain-failure-human-atrocities.html
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-12-animal-empathy.html
This is not my forte nor my religion, but it's fun to follow. Peace :)
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Are you a human?
Christ wasn't human? What sect of Christianity do you espouse? According to the Athanasian Creed, the Apostles Creed, and the Nicene Creed (which between them are attested by nearly all protestants, catholics, and orthodox) Christ was fully human.
Indeed St. Paul tells us, "if any man tells you Christ is not come in the flesh, let him be an anathema."
Wrong.
Google-"Communicatio idiomatum" or "hypostatic union"
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07610b.htm http://carm.org/jesus-two-natures http://www.theopedia.com/Two_natures_of_Jesus
Even wiki knows better than you do: "Eventually, the Christian Church accepted the teaching of St. Athanasius and his allies, that Christ was the incarnation of the eternal second person of the Trinity, who was truly God and truly a man simultaneously. All divergent beliefs were defined as heresies"
You said: "Indeed St. Paul tells us, "if any man tells you Christ is not come in the flesh, let him be an anathema."
Um....no....Paul did not say that. The Apostle John did.
Two mistakes no real Christian would make.
St. Athanasius:
Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Essence of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Essence of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Essence; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of the God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the Catholic Faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.
And yeah, I confused one Apostle for another, big deal. While you are online, try googling the no true scotsman fallacy, then pour yourself a whiskey and try to remember what life was like before you were a complete dickweed.
"Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood."
I'm SO sorry. I guess I have an unrealistic expectation that a "real" Christian should at very least understand and believe in the doctrines and core principles of Christianity. One of those core doctrines-in fact...the one that CAUSED "the creeds" to be established in the first place-is "the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ".
The dickweed comment was also very Christian of you as well. :-)
Actually the Lord occasionally responded to the assholes of his era with a cleverly placed insult (e.g., "You white-washed sepulchers!").
And for what it is worth, there is not a single Church Father, or Apostle, who did not teach that Jesus Christ was a human being. It is the very core of the Gospel. That is the Incarnation.You'd know that if you'd ever attended seminary.
4TheHumanSocietyProject said:
"Many of you may know of the man known as Jesus Christ, he was a man known in more than one religion. You may not believe in religion and that is fine. However, we believe in the idea of Jesus Christ. What he stood for. He stood as a man willing to always do the right thing and..."
I said "Jesus Christ was not "human". See those quotation marks?
"Quotation marks can also be used to indicate a different meaning of a word or phrase than the one typically associated with it "
I did NOT say that Christ was NOT human at all. I said Christ was not "human" in the sense that 4THSP was referring to Him (a man) I also did not say that Christ was fully God.
You must have assumed I meant that I meant that (incorrectly) because YOU then interrupted with a comment using the term "fully human". "Christ was fully human."
To me, fully human, without any other qualifiers (such as fully God AND fully human) meant to you that Christ was ONLY human, NOT anything else. THAT is what I disagreed with.
For my own assumption I apologize. But for the record, the Lord had the ability to read the hearts of those of His era in order to determine whether they were "assholes" or not. You don't.
Apology excepted. And my apologies if I mistook your statement. As for being able to look into someone's heart and see if he or she is an asshole. "You will know a tree by its fruit". it is not hard to see when someone is being an asshole. One easy trick, are they registered Republican? Do they praise Glenn Beck/Faux Nooz (not that you personally have done any of those things).
What YOU or anyone else thinks that the "many" NEED-as opposed to what the many only WANT is the problem. Everyone on this planet who has taken care of themselves for more than 3 days knows what is "needed" to sustain life and that anything beyond those needs are only "things" that human beings "desire" to make living more comfortable or pleasurable.
YOU or OWS or any number of people can insist that the definition of "needs" should be changed to include other things, but "the world" has to agree with that definition change before you get to accuse ANYONE of not taking care of someone else's "needs".
Otherwise you're just declaring that everyone who does NOT meet your standard/definition are "evil" or wrong-which is pointless.
I am sorry but science proves what humans need. If you want more then that when people are dying.... I would have to use the word selfish to label you based on the definition. I use science.
Oh please educated one....show me the scientific data that proves that humans NEED anything beyond food, shelter, water, clothing (and I'll throw in human contact and interaction with other humans) or else they DIE?
Since you cannot provide that evidence, I'd have to use the word manipulative to label you based on the definition.
Stop bullying people.
You first.
Everything you know you have learned. From the day you were born you have learned how to act. The reason you want certain things is because you have learned to want them. That is fact. Proven through scientific study. I do not know how you can say that in order to survive you need food,water,clean air and shelter. ANYTHING you do not need is a want. That is fact.
So human beings do NOT need food, water, shelter, or air to survive? They merely want them? Wow
No I didnt mean that. I made a mistake, I meant... I do not know how you can say that needs are more then food,water,clean air and shelter. ANYTHING you do not need is a want. That is fact. I apologize for making the mistake.
Then why don't you go to the Sudan where arab muslims own black christian slaves.
Cant afford it right now. I would have to see where the value in that would be.
Hazues! Does this utopia exist? Finally, some payback!!!
I don't hate you guys. You guys are so much fun, such good entertainment. Keep it up.
You need to change your profile name to better reflect your mentality!
Did you just "hate" on smartcapitalist because of his profile name?
No for the person's comment above mine. I have talked to this person before days ago . This person puts down OWS people, finds them funny and comes here for entertainment.
The person's comment above yours IS "smartcapitalist". My point is that you appear to be "hating on him" because he is different than you are.
Hey, this has been an entertaining site. Watching this is on par with watching two dogs humping in the neighbors yard.
Which, I'm quite sure, is exactly the kind of thing you seek out.
The kind of thing you dream of, so much you see it everywhere.
At least you can toss a shoe at two dogs humping to get them to stop. We all wish we could toss shoes at OWS people to get them to stop.
You could throw that shoe, it's true, but you won't.
You like to watch them.
That is "hating" shooz. Why the hate?
Cheap pseudo-psycho analysis is not hate.
It's free.
Do you need some too?
It's also false. Which is why you like it.
You get what you pay for, that's what I say.
So take your hate and stow it away.
Never let it see the light of day.
No payment I offered for such a foul poem So take of thine own words and rightfully stow'em.
Stunning!