Forum Post: I do not believe that anything OWS is doing will improve the economy...
Posted 13 years ago on Nov. 8, 2011, 1:33 a.m. EST by thomasmiller
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Honestly, do you believe that anything OWS is doing will improve the economy? How does doing a 60s-era sit-in at Goldman Sach improve the economy?
I believe OWS is another one of those "solutions" which is part of the Democrat's playbook. They have tried everything so now they are going to try 60's era demonstrations to get the economy back on sure footing.
Who told you about the playbook?
The jig is up boys! Let's go home. They caught us.
Hahahaha I love it! Where else can one say...?
Shame, we aren't all democrats.
Thanks for contributing to the polarization of this nation.
Yes,you are quite right.You know why because the 1% have made a mess of everything.Above all the government shall crush them as soon as they succeed.Then the government of USA shall force them to tell lies about everything and about everybody!
OWS needs to keep growing until people WAKE UP from the problem that is the Federal Reserve & Fiat Currency in general, and revolt against government to change it.
It brings global attention to a massive level of corruption in our government and our banking system.
National Emergency Employment Defense Act of 2011
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.2990.IH:
Change is possible. Don't ever let someone tell you that you can't make a difference.
... Yes trolls... I understand that this bill was drafted September 21st.
I really don't like the word 'troll'... I believe that these brothers that have not yet been able to assimilate and comprehend the gravity of the situation; the danger of the global financial affairs, just need a few more years. Soon enough we will see them enlisting to our side. These days it takes only one close experience to open people's eyes. Why do you think this movement has attracted so many people around the world? Give them a chance. And don't feed their fire by calling them trolls...At least I won't.
so, the Federal Government is going to hire a shit-ton of people, then pay them in what appears from this to be freshly printed cash, while at the same time replacing the virtual money the fed has with more new money, and transfering that money back to member banks, alocating more new money for the non-existent universal healthcare bill and enough money to somehow magically fix our schools that need a complete processes overhaul. okay, seems like a good idea.
Virtual Money for everyone!!! No. You are wrong.
you changed your reply, thanks. I finished, still don't quite see whats exciting except interest rates and fees not totaling more than the initial loan, which is definitely a step in the right direction. Other than that the creation of a bureau in charge of distributing new currency based on it's own discretion, picked largely by the president. Provisions to pay for education with the goal of raising standards equal to world education levels. Provisions earmarking whatever is necessary in the future to pay for Universal Healthcare and Mortgage crisis resolution. I'm sorry, could you please tell me what exactly we are reading differently?
i don't know. We're reading the same thing... except you came up with virtual money. thanks for giving it a read though. But if you only see virtual money, then i don't know what to tell you.
Virtual money was a mis-statement, I read through it and I saw a lot of plans that look really good to me, except the plan to pay for it all. I realize that it doesn't say that all payments coming from congress will be new currency, but it doesn't have any hard provisions against it, I read it as 'we promise to not pay bills with new money unless we want to' which coming from the people who write, pass, and implement legislation is a bit scary to me. I might just be paranoid though.
That certainly wasn't my aim, I thought it tracked, and no, you are correct in assuming I didn't read all of it, that was the information I got from it. I would love to know what info I missed in my skimming. I will certainly look to it with a more thorough attitude promptly.
Wait and see!
That's dumb. Obviously the idea of the protests is to affect a positive change. Nobody's dumb enough to think that protesting will directly cause the economy to get better.
Whats dumb is there seems no point to these protests....most protests have an obvious purpose. Martin Luther King had an obvious purpose...did anyone have to ask what King's purpose was in life...did anyone have to guess or have a discussion about what he wanted to accomplish?
OWS has no singular purpose and it seems its existence is not to "protest", but to shame the banks and wealthy people. OK, shame on you banks!...but how does that really help with anything. How does angry words ever help with anything?
What is really needed in this country is leadership, but not negative leadership with solutions which do not work. Obama's leadership style is not a positive one and obviously is not working...
Brother if you would read a bit of history, you will quickly understand that Martin Luther King's fight was just the beginning of the fight that is about to unfold at world scale...Stay tune...
Eh? So if you were to go into the streets and try to shame Obama over his negative leadership, that would not be a protest, but a purposeless shaming?
I have come to believe that name calling and negative behavior tends not to be solution. I havent gone to that level of calling Obama names.
Then what do you propose we do to fix the system? No politicians are going to fix it and it's sure as hell not going to fix itself. And really, how much of the protesting is actually namecalling? There's some, obviously, but that's a flaw inherent in all of American public discourse. Mostly, it's thoroughly justified complaints about how the rich are fucking everyone else over.
Hey, I don't know if you can ever stop people from taking advantage of others, turning pain into profit and what have you, it seems like if we implemented a reform to keep private interests from receiving unfair advantages from laws and regulations purposebuilt to allow them to slide through we would take a huge step. maybe go through and clear out the tax code, delete, implement a federal sales tax, no exceptions, the wealthy spend a truly extravagant amount of money, everyone else spends almost none comparatively.
That's a good idea, but how do we get it passed? Fucking protesting.
well, I honestly don't think protesting can take it all the way, not by itself. The people in general don't acknowledge peaceful protests, sure it'll get people thinking about things, but with the constant pressure of syndicated media, a government that goes out of its way to appear functional under all circumstances, and what appears to be an ever more aggressive china on the horizon, the deck is stacked against peaceful protests implementing anything more than bullshit legislation being passed that is so full of leeway every sumbitch in there will slip through
But we have no other weapons, so we use what we can.
and there's the crux of it.
Thats just it. If they attempt to fix it, then you will probably just make it worse. Any "solution" dreamed up will probably make it worse then better.
Well that's just silly. So you should never try to solve any problems? So if, say, the interior lights in my car stay on all the time and drain the battery, I should not attempt to repair the wiring or even just remove the light or fuse. I should do nothing. Hmm, a door is squeaking, should I spray some WD-40 on it? No! I might make it worse! The bolts holding the wings to that jumbo jet are loose! Better not fix it, we might over-torque the bolts! Oh no, the reactor is leaking! BETTER DO NOTHING GUYS WE MIGHT BREAK IT.
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE GODDAMNIT YOUR FEAR OF CHANGE AND YOUR APATHY WILL DESTROY YOUR COUNTRY
Enough of this forum, I'm going to go sleep.
I was there back then. Well, not THERE, after getting out of the Army I went to work hauling coal and didn't have time for that nonsense. I never seen action but felt bad for those that did with the crap they had to put up with when they got home. Seems to me the protesters then were only interested in the military when they thought they might help their cause.
Where was I? Oh, this looks to me to be made of the same liberals that were back then. Lord, I can't believe I'm up, it's 1:40 in the morning. I almost never get up and get on the computer, couldn't sleep. that's what happens when you sneak a nap in after work. Off tomorrow anyway.
The Democrats have a certain playbook and its filled with the obvious stuff that we all have come to know very well...spending, larger government, unions, and (of course) massive demonstrations.
I know they mean well, but what we need now is some serious solutions rather then stuff that obviously isnt going to help.
Setting up a massive encampment in the middle of Manhattan filled with homeless and other such people is not what I call a solution. People were upset at first, but Manhattanites get used to things after a while. I figure they will have to keep coming up with crazier stuff to keep getting people's attention.
It is not as simple as that, this isn't some binary state situation, yes, it looks like it's 'democrat' and a healthy proportion of the protesters are, but a large and growing larger are not. One of the great ways to differentiate between liberals and conservatives is that for a conservative to go outside of the proscribed methods of making their displeasure it generally takes a certain resolution of character, an extreme thirst to be heard, liberals will protest anything if they are free that day. its anecdotal but it illustrates a subtle reality in the character of the people involved. Without OWS, a substantial portion of the population wouldn't realize they aren't alone in wishing the corruption, governmental excess, and blatant greed that has become sop for politicians will stop.
Yep, interest continues to slide.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=occupy+wall+street&ctab=0&geo=all&date=mtd&sort=0
Likening it to a stock chart, lower highs and lower lows... not a good pattern to buy into.
Hey, trying to get their base turned on is all they've got.
What? You expect Obama to run on his record? hahahahahahahahaha