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Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 17, 2012, 11:47 p.m. EST by uncensored (104)
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I am 1 of tens of thousands (and growing) business owners that vow to never hire an OWS member. It will take just minutes to figure out who you are in a job interview. Trust me on that.

Good luck with your future.

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[-] 9 points by buphiloman (840) 2 years ago

Is that supposed to be some kind of a threat? Oh no my friends...the massive fucking douche-nozzle who spends all his spare time creating sockpuppets to harass total strangers on an internet forum, and his corporate cronies, aren't going to hire us anymore!!! How awful. Just when we were all looking forward to working for a bunch brain dead neoliberals who make Ebeneezer Scrooge look like Albert Schweitzer.

I guess we'll have to content ourselves with working for actual human beings from now on.

Ho hum.

[-] -3 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

Not a threat, just letting ya know.

[-] 3 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

How can you say that, uncensored? I worked for thirty plus years as a merchant marine on the Great Lakes, NY harbor, and on the East Coast and I can truthfully say that I was never fired from a job. I excelled at my job, and was entrusted with the most difficult work as well. I sent two daughters to excellent universities, Fordham Lincoln Center campus in NYC and McGill in Montreal.

All three of my daughters know that 'some things in life are worth fighting for.' I learned that from my Dad (and passed it on) who attended Martin Luther King's March in Washington in 1963. He was also the person who taught me that you should never be jealous of someone that has more than you, because he/she probably worked hard for it. Unfortunately, that is not true entirely today. People are making huge amounts of money, not because they worked hard for it, but rather because our politicians have helped rig the system in favor of big moneyed interests to the severe detriment of the rest of us-LOST homes, jobs, retirement accounts, tuition money, etc. I very seriously doubt if you could find many OWS people who would begrudge the fact that you have done well in life providing that you have done the right thing on that journey. Good Luck to you too.

I almost forgot. I am an avid OWS member and fully expect to get arrested for an act of peaceful civil disobedience, perhaps several times. The world that my beautiful granddaughter grows up in is that important to me.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

But just who are these "people making hugh amounts of money"? Are they not "Americans" like you and me who work on Wall Street?

Or are they "Americans who are crooks" who don't "give a shit" about anyone but themselves.

I think an "inteview" is in order to find out just what these people are thinking when it comes to wanting to become "millionaires".

I mean really, no one has ever walked up to one of them and asked the question - You are a "greedy American" and I want to know why you want to be that way?

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

A better question might be, 'how could you act in such a callous way as to cause millions of people worldwide so much pain and misery?'

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Well as I have stated "ask the question".

[-] -2 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

"People are making huge amounts of money because our politicians have rigged the system in favor of big moneyed interests to the severe detriment of the rest of us-LOST homes, jobs, retirement accounts, tuition money, etc"

I agree 100%!

However, there are far too many members of OWS that want to destroy our system rather than repair it. This group is corrupt. Look around you, you know I'm right.

[-] 2 points by Nordic (390) 2 years ago

What are you so scared of? This is Democracy. And free speech. That seems to terrify you. Maybe you should move to a country where those things are outlawed.

Perhaps you'd prefer China.

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

We're all on a train wanting to head north (UP) to get out of this corrupted system. We don't need anything to divide us at this point. We might want to get off the train sooner than some. We have that option.

I am a bit older than most of you, and I originally thought that being so, I could teach you whippersnappers a thing or two. Rather I think I am learning more than teaching. The word 'sustainable' has come into my vocabulary thanks to a lot of the posters here at OWS, and I have thought about that a lot. I also question myself more and more if our system can go forward without the exploitation of other people and our own people, and if our system of government can thrive without being at war constantly. Have we ever thrived without these immoralities? It's scarey to think of implementing a system that is different from what we are all used to, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't give it thought.

What good is it if our children get diseases from the air they breathe; the water they drink; or are sent to some far off land to kill, to fight and die for corporate interests. Can we have the same sanitized version of the system we have now, without all that? I don't know.

When we get to the point of having a truly representative democracy-reinstating Glass-Steagall, dumping Citizen's United, etc.-then we, the PEOPLE will decide where we go from there, and I will abide by their decision.

Someone once said, " a democracy is only as good as its citizens are involved." This is a lesson we should all never forget from our involvement here in OWS and we should hand it down to our children.

[-] -3 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 2 years ago

"Grandpa, I have a question. Freddy's dad started a little business in his garage and he is now hiring a bunch of people and giving them jobs. Kathy's mom started a little business in her kitchen and moved into a location near the mall and hired a bunch of people. Joe's parents started a lawn mowing services using their old lawn mower and not employ 20 people. So papa,, I have a question. Why is your fat ass in jail for protesting?"

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

First of all son, I am quite trim and keep myself in good shape, and have not been to jail...yet. I applaud Freddy's dad, Kathy's mom, and Joe's parents for being as hard working and entrepreneurial as they seem to be.

Now I have a question for you, son. Mary's mom lost all of her retirement money and Mary's tuituion money on supposedly investment grade securities, while the bank that PROMOTED and sold them to her made tons of money betting against those securities. Joe's son after getting a Masters Degree lost his IT job because it was outsourced to China. And finally newlyweds Sarah and Michael lost their home because they were mislead by the lender who signed them into a sub-prime loan. Since the lender had 'no skin in the game.' He had nothing to lose if they weren't able to pay off their loan. The lender just sold the loan to investment bankers where it was repackaged into mortgage-backed securities, where it became someone else's garbage investment, but amazingly still had investment grade status. I think I got that right. Anyway, why are you sitting on the couch slugging a beer and watching a reality show? Let me guess. Is it because you worked hard all day, and don't have time to keep up with what has been going on in the world? Yes, I've been there, done that-minus the reality show, I understand.

[-] -2 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 2 years ago

My son? How old must you be? I'm 60. Also in good shape, jog, mountain bikes, use a heavy bag daily. Never been in jail. Started a couple of compaines. Donate what is appropriate to social programs locally that I think actually helps. You had some interesting come-backs. First is Mary's mom. Why would she have lost her retirement money? I bet I know why. She listened to the liberals. GET OUT OF THE MARKET,,, they said. SELL. She did, but she sold out at the bottom. Had she listened to conservatives, as I did, I never sold one stock. Actually, when it hit near the bottom I was buying more and more stocks. I came out WAY AHEAD of where I was before the when It was up. Today, I have made some pretty good money for my retirement. Was she an IDIOT for selling and then whining or was she informed by those that hate corporate America OWS types and lost it ALL? And, if you diversify into other securities your loss options were spread way out. I gained more and she did the WRONG thing. Joe's son should read the Help Wanted ads in the newspaper or log on to www.monster.com. THere are a lot of IT type jobs available. This would be a great time for him to start his own IT job and tell China to kiss his butt. Sarah and Michael must be total idiots. Any adult that graduated, even with a liberal education, should be able to use a calucator ("if monthly mortgage is greater than 25% of monthly income, DONT BUY the house") and figure it out or let some idiot do it for them. You wonder how MILLIONS of people became homeowners over the last 236 years and Sarah and Michael are too stupid to do it. "Sitting on the couch slugging beers and watching TV,,,,,," you have got to be kidding me. In two years I may try that for about a month and live off of my investments (I really wont even need SS) and go back to working from morning to night,,, IT IS A LOT MORE FUN.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

OK, I think I get where you are coming from. You believe that it is OK for bankers, rating's agencies, insurance companies, and regulators to work in collusion with each other to screw the average hard working American citizen. You also seem to think that it is alright for corporations to ship our jobs overseas, and that there is nothing wrong with predatory lending practices, that YES were played out mostly on unsophisticated buyers who did not understand their loan, and who were desperate to own a home.

Once again, the lender didn't have any 'skin' in the game so he didn't care if they paid the loan off or not. That fact the lender had nothing to lose made these transactions ripe for misrepresentation on the lenders' part. He grabbed his money and simply passed it off to the investment banks and they passed it off to other unsuspecting investors, and then there is AIG.......This unaccountable system would not have been possible if the Glass-Steagall Act had not been repealed on the twelth try and after billions of dollars were poured into political campaigns from the big bankers, and yes I know that AH President Clinton signed that bill and three Republican Senators proposed it.

If only all of these people that were screwed had your supposed investment savvy and work ethic, they would not be in the pickle that they are in today. I can surmise from your way of thinking that the bankers and politicians thought that anyone who didn't posess their supposed high intellect deserved to be screwed too. Yes, I understand now.

[-] 0 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 2 years ago

You keep going back to the MEAN OLE lender and the uneducated buyer. Again as mentioned, I'm 60. When I got my first home loan I remember going into the bank and the mean ole banker across the desk looked at my pay stub, asked what else I owned as collateral I had. Looked at what I wanted to buy and it's value. Punched on his caluclator for about 10 seconds and said, NO. I was not making enough to pay for that house. I found a cheaper one as my first house. I knew before I went in that the rule was not more than 25% of your monthly salary. EVERYONE I knew that owned a home told me that. I thought I could find a banker that would bend the rules, but, NO. So what happened recently? The liberal agenda. Congressional leaders like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd said, "Everyone should own a home and we will make it easy for them to do it." These Chairmen set new rules and directives. Those rules were for mean ole bankers to accept loan applications, PERIOD. "You cant be mean to people that want to own a home." So after 200 some years of good sound loan decisions where people bought a home based on the 25% rule, bankers could not tell someone they couldnt own the home. And, to make it even easier, Frank and Dodd told the big banks to back the little banks and simply pass the bad loans up to them. If the big banks did what Frank and Dodd did, then congress would go easy on them and pat them on the top of the head for being good to the little guys. "Mr. Banker, I found this $300,000 house. I have nearly zero in down payment and I make $50,000 a year." Banker, "No problem." Suddenly,, nearly over night, this scheme of Frank and Dodd started falling out from under everyone. Not for 200 plus years have we seen such a thing happen. NEVER happened before Frank and Dodd. But, YOU, blame the mean ole banker for people not being able to pay their debt. I have owned a couple of homes and other larger loans. Before Frank and Dodd it was pretty set in stone how banks loaned money and there are millions and millions of homeowners that did it by the rules. Today, YOU and your type ruined the way the system has worked for 200 years and you want to point your failed liberal agenda finger at everyone else but yourselves. I'm not going to buy another house but I would hope to see the mean ole banker behind the desk because I would know all is back to normal.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes, we can agree on that, I can't wait to see that "mean old banker behind the desk" either. It will indeed show that things are 'starting' to get back to normal. For you to imply though, that the Community Reinvestment Act was anywhere near the main reason for our financial melt-down is ludicrous.

Our main difference is, you think that it is alright for the financial elite to conspire with our government to commit fraud, conspiracy, and bribery. And yes I could back that up. You are totally forgiving or feign knowledge of a system that dreamed up a Disneyland scheme where their was only upside potential supposedly, and no downside.

You seem to hail those people as either heros or victims of the meek, greedy, or stupid. I see those bankers and their cohorts as criminals and so do most Americans, as well as most in the OWS.

It's been fun, and I'm not bailing, but I realize at his point that even if you found the information that discounted your synopsis on the corrupt little world we live in, it wouldn't matter. You would not change your mind. At least Alan Greenspan, finally said in his round about way that he had screwed up. That's good enough for me for me, now anyway.

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 2 years ago

I dont see the outrage in the streets. I'm around a lot of people each day. Nobody is talking about it because nobody thinks it is a big issue. What they are talking about is how poor liberal democrats support the rich elite democrats and continue to elect them for 50 years. The poor, as the message goes, gets poorer (each year) while the rich elite liberal democrats get richer (each year) We, dont understand that. If YOU would spend the time going after the rich democrats as you do the rich repubicans then you may have more middle class (me) that would support you. The MESSAGE is, "You support RICH democrats and HATE Rich republicans." You will never ever ever ever get our 40% to listen to your blah blah blah of whining,,, NEVER. Your message is lost in the rich democrat BLING!

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

The only reason that you didn't see outrage in the streets was because, up until now people felt helpless to do anything about it or didn't understand exactly how the big banks and politicians screwed us.

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 2 years ago

Maybe nobody thinks they were screwed, except those that deserved it. Let me check, (sticking my head out the front door, "Hey,, anyone got screwed by a big bank or politician?"). Nobody screwed, sorry. Got other things to worry about from the moment I wake up to the time I go to bed.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Keep an eye out, 'they' will be out their soon.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I am an independent and the last few times I voted (when I still naively thought that voting made a difference), I may indeed have voted for as many republicans as democrats. The system is rotten through and through. Surely you can see that. Both the dems and repubs suck. Do you really think things would be any better if WE had voted a straight Republican ticket, especially since they were the party that proposed the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (yes tons of dems voted for it too including Clinton) and that still think that deregulation of the financial sector is the grand endall.

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 2 years ago

I vote straight republican. Now, saying that, I would vote for a person that 80% of the people liked. There are none. I think the OWS movement is a farce. It was created by far left liberals with one agenda, raise the debt since obama did not. It was created about 2 days after obama failed. I think it was created within the White House due to the fact of the power of the distribution system used to get the message out. It was very much as quick as what the White House can do,, not a few hippies. Setting that aside. If OWS was a movement that attacked rich EQUALLY,, I would have agreeded. Point fingers at rich republicans while protecting rich democrats was the immediate sign of a White House movement. If protestors said they were going after ALL rich, including rich Washington elites and Hollywood mega-rich, I would have stood beside them. I would bet a huge number of middle class republicans would have done the same. But OWS didnt do that. Attack rich republicans. I have yet,, months into this movement,, seen one message attacking MEGA,, MEGA, rich liberal George Soros,,,,,, interesting,,, isnt it? OWS is laughable at best.

[-] 1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Voting straight republican-sounds like a winner to me????? You think we are protecting democrats? I really don't think you have a full understanding of what 'this' is about. So you want OWS to go after all the rich people, no matter if they did the 'right thing' or not. That does not make sense to me or most of the people in OWS and I am sure most of your republican friends would agree with us. Bye, I'm out of here.

[-] 3 points by JadedCitizen (4277) 2 years ago

Here comes the bully to set us all straight....oooowwww.

It will take just two seconds to fool someone as stupid as this on a job interview. Trust me on that.

[-] 3 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

hehehehehe ... can it get any stupider ?????

[-] -1 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

Yup, just read any post by ZenDog.

[+] -5 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I swear this must be an indication of desperation of some kind - probably personal rather than anything larger.

what a complete looser. kinda makes you wonder what his childhood was like.

can't have been pretty.

[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5688) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

Can you believe these people Zen? My god! We're out to fix the massive problems in this country and these 'people' think we're the enemy! SHEESH!!

[-] -2 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

You are not fixing anything. Libtards like you ZenHog, AssRod, etc, ARE the problem.

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5688) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

You've been here a week, uncensored, and you haven't learned a damn thing. But, hey, you're not the first clueless person on this site and certainly won't be the last. And apparently you don't pay much attention to what's going on around you. We've already made a difference, and we've just begun. You're blind, uncensored. Blind and clueless. And you guys need to come up with a better insult than 'libtard.' It says more about you than it does us. Don't bother responding to this comment either because I won't be answering it. I usually don't waste my valuable time with the anti-OWS crowd, I just happen to be a little more talkative tonight than usual.

[-] -1 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

Yeah, you seem much smarter when you don't post. Good call.

[+] -4 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

i hear what you are saying - I've been listening to their message so long I think i've internalized it, embraced it,

and now I'm just rabid . . . .

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5688) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

There's a cure for that. I think you posted it on another thread. Something about poles, heads, and a shotgun?

[+] -5 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

Here it is, one of the top posts of late by ModestCapitalist

Unemployment (% labor force)

1933 24.9

1934 21.7

1935 20.1

1936 16.9

1937 14.3

1938 19

1939 17.2

1940 14.6

Percent change GDP

1933 -4%

1934 15%

1935 10%

1936 13%

1937 9%

1938 -7%

1939 7%

1940 9%

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5688) from St Louis, MO 2 years ago

That boy sure does his homework. Definitely an asset to this forum. MD as well.

[+] -6 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I haven't checked the veracity of the numbers - if they are accurate, and I bet they are, then yes, MD is a definite asset.

[+] -6 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

hahaha

I'm tellin' ya.

sometimes I'd like ta . . .

the fukers are so blatant, so persistant

Somewhere around here there are facts and figures from FDRs admin regarding unemployment - probably one of MoneytizingDiscontent's posts.

I assume they are accurate . . . I should actually check . . .

once verified I'd like to roll those stats into a nice tight cylinder - you know, the entire sum of them, on paper? So it's about the size of a base ball bat?

and stuff them down the throats of all those FDR haters

the scumbags

[-] 3 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

yeah.... these guy's that post this crap... are "wanna be rich guys" ... regardless of how rich they are.... they don't have enough... because they have a void in their happiness... and they think money will fix it... so they follow everything they can that either leads them to more money or more false sense of self-esteem ... kind of like a drug addict ... except drugs are more fun...

[+] -6 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

i dunno - I don't think drug addicts really have all that much fun really . . .

[-] 1 points by BradB (2693) from Washington, DC 2 years ago

yeah... agree... once your an addict... it's no more fun...

[-] 2 points by Pidge (18) 2 years ago

Have we spoiled your little Tea Party?

[-] 2 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

And I am one of tens of thousands of soon-to-be working professionals who support this movement all the way, will look to pick up as many like-minded individuals as I can when I start my own firm, and will happily proceed to run your sorry asses out of business. Good day.

[-] 0 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Think of me when you hiring. Part time is cool, as I have a pension, and I need time to help straighten out this country.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

Thanks; I'll see what I can do... grin

[-] -1 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

I doubt your degree in wishful thinking will get you very far, but good luck.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

How about a BS in electrical engineering/computer science and economics from MIT, with the possibility of a master's degree in one or both fields down the line?

[-] -1 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

All you need now is a job from one of the 1%-ers. Dare you to put "OWS Member" on your resume. LOL

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

Or better yet, to pull together a startup company with a couple of friends from college, no 1%ers required. It's actually a fairly common career choice here.

[-] -1 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

So you aspire to be a 1%-er in the same capitalist system you claim to hate?

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

Who the hell said that I'm anti-capitalist or want to destroy the system? I'm here because we as a country need reform and OWS is the first group I've run into willing to try to push for it.

[-] -1 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

We do need BIG reform, but not the kind OWS wants. This may be the first group you've run into, but it's just about the worst there is. You might want to rethink your membership to this org before you screw up your future.

[-] 1 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

See this post for more on who I am and why I'm here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/yet-another-reason-why-i-support-occupy-wall-stree/

[-] -1 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

I read part of it and will continue tomorrow. For now I'll just make this one comment before going to bed...

"...but damn near nobody who truly got anywhere satisfactory in life came from absolutely nothing."

Me and most of my employees did.

BTW, I'm not new here. My last account was made "invisible", hence my new name. Chances are good this account will be gone once the OWS mods wake up or I am "reported" as a "troll". Is that fair in your eyes? is this the sort of group you want to be a part of?

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

I don't see a problem with shadow banning users who break the forum rules or go about spamming or trolling.

What was your last username? If you tell me, I can tell you why you were banned.

[-] -1 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

100 people called me a troll for disagreeing with them. I don't really care.

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 2 years ago

I'm quite sure you were banned for another reason. People disagree with me all the time and many have called me a troll, yet I have never been banned.

What was your previous username? You shouldn't be afraid to share that information with us if you did nothing wrong. Tell me, and I can help you understand the real reason you were banned.

[-] 1 points by Hank66 (1) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Good luck with staying in business. Your ilk is an endangered species.

[-] 1 points by tomtalltree (5) from Houlton, ME 2 years ago

You are a scab who owns nothing but a computer.

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 2 years ago

Well in time business will be replaced by technology. We will become educated far beyond your expectations.

[-] 1 points by Uncomemierda (1) 2 years ago

That's cool pay your taxes and I'll just rob you blind

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

What's the secret?

How do you tell?

[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

I can tell by the shooz they wear.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

Touche!!!!!!!!

I'll get a new pair for the interview.

What time you want me there?

[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

We can do the interview right here.

What is your skill set?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

Limited, barefoot typing skills here.

You?

[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

Darn! Our Barefoot Typing department isn't hiring full time employees at the moment. Would you be willing to fill a stand-by position? Toe cramps are pretty common around here.

Me? Brain surgeon and part time comedy writer. I help with Letterman's nightly Top 11 list.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

I'm in for the fill in job.

I can type 1 1/2 to 2 words a minute, with spell check.........................:)

Now, that Phoenix Online course I spent 5 gazillion dollars on will finally pay off.

Ahhh, life is good.

[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

Great! The position pays one ... miiiillllion ... dollars!

Bennies include a good excuse for not sleeping in a park.

When can you start?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

I already did.

Send the check.

[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

Oh wait! One last question.... Are you an OWS member/supporter?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

That information is released on a need to know basis.

You need better security clearance to obtain it.

Send your request in triplicate to the NSA in Washington.

I'll put in a good word for you.

[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

I just Googled "shooz" and got 2.4 billion results in 0.04ms. Not only are you an OWS member, but you wear size 10-1/2 shooz. Sorry, but HR needs to take a second look at your ap.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

There's 2.4 billion of us, you sure you want to do that?

We are legion.

[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

YEAH! I've been working out lately and even took a Judo class! I'm ready for a rumble.

[-] 1 points by TheTrollSlayer (347) from Kingsport, TN 2 years ago

I get it, you want the ones who dont know or care whats been going on with the government. Maybe its the ones who will believe all the BS smear about this movement instead of seeing that this movement is also those that support it, not just the occupiers in the news. Example, 367 economists signed a statement of support for this movement http://goo.gl/AH2ce. Ever see Harvard Law Professor Lawrence Lessigs video's on the corrosive effects of money in politics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6KKkmtMtCQ. How about Inside Job about what all went on in wall street http://vimeo.com/25491676 , look at the governments role in that. Maybe you like the waste and abuse of tax money, http://goo.gl/t1TEZ. Maybe you like corporations getting owed by our government at the end of the year up to hundreds of millions just for being here http://goo.gl/bBtYR. There's more and it continues, if you care that is. Corporations and government screwed this country up, not the people and it needs to change and as long as people blindly follow it wont as well as that is why its like it is. Also, like you know that many business owners.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (20500) 2 years ago

Jerk.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 2 years ago

Erm... so you know of these tens of thousands of business owners? Is there a petition of some sort flying around for this? Is it a legally binding contract perhaps?

Oh shit... I forgot... what you are suggesting right there is defined as illegal by state law in at least 2 states that I am aware of... The rest can be covered by 1st amendment and federal anti discriminatory laws....

Heres a titbit for you to read: http://sbmblog.typepad.com/sbm-blog/2012/01/8th-circuit-lets-lawsuit-by-professor-alleging-discrimination-based-on-political-beliefs-proceed.html

So... let me know who your pals are... I will be sure to send your names and the names of your businesses to any half decent lawyer and then proceed to laugh my ass off as he sues you on an OWS members behalf....

Dang... I should not have revealed my evil plot just then... but it would be even more ironic if a lawyer who is part of your group reads this post (or just thinks like a lawyer) and screws you to sue on the behalf of an OWS member...

Out of curiosity... how do you plan on 'figuring out' who may or may not be an OWS member in 5 minutes during an interview anyway? You may be risking a lot of false positives on some tests...

P.S. Good luck with YOUR future...

[-] 1 points by Nordic (390) 2 years ago

You have a problem with people who are against financial crimes? Even when the financial crimes these people commit destroy the entire economy?

Why are you FOR that?

Please explain.

And if you could, tell me why you aren't joining us in protesting the FACT that these gangster criminals are in collusion with our government!

You're okay with that? That's just kinda weird, pal.

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

the 'enemy' is wealth used to distort the democratic process.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (9727) 2 years ago

The supposed hatred of OWS towards business is just nonsence. If you had followed the dialogue here you would know that. Some people simply refuse to, or are unable to make distinctions of any subtlety whatsoever. Personally, I think this post is just one of many here designed to frame OWS within a false narrative. Why should we even believe you own a business. We have just your word for it, and given your openly hostile attitude your word isn't worth much.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

You are one lousy BS artist...

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

I would like to hear your reasons.

[-] -2 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

Why would we hire someone with the mindset that we are the enemy because we own the company?

[-] 3 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

The core message of OWS is to expose and remove the injustice of the great disparity in wealth and power in the world.

Most OWS'er consider those corporations and the elite who unfairly influence our government through political donations and other means as a threat to our Democracy and the means by which they increase their wealth ever higher.

Instead of a government by and for the people, we say it has become a government by and for the corporations. With the reigns of Democracy stolen from us, they are free to further impoverish us by legislation that favors the wealthy.

We want the reigns of Democracy back in the firm grip of the people. It is our choice which direction our world takes, not just the elite.

Most of us work for companies as well. If your company practices ethical business standards, pays a living wage and does not unfairly influence politics we support you.

[-] -2 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

Hey, I'm with you on that, if you include Soros on your sh*t list. But all one has to do is read through the posts here or watch the Occupy antics on TV or YouTube and an entirely different story emerges. If you are not like most of the OWS crowd that wants to collapse capitalism or is just looking for hand-outs, then run like hell from this group.

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

The media shows us at our worst, because it's sensational, and because they are the 1%. I agree, there are some people here who want justice, but don't practice it with others. My hope is to convince them that by practicing justice, their argument is strengthened.

Since this movement began I have much more respect for capitalism and democracy, and greater contempt for the injustice and tyranny that strangles them.

[-] 0 points by uncensored (104) 2 years ago

"The media shows us at our worst, because it's sensational, and because they are the 1%"

Do you now understand what the TEA Party went through?

[-] 2 points by Nordic (390) 2 years ago

Yeah, glad you noticed. The Tea Party went through that until it was co-opted, lock stock and barrel, by the same Republican branch of the Republicrat Party that is the One Party Rule we have in this country.

Once the Tea Party was owned by them, they got nothing BUT free press, and good free press.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Sorry, didn't follow that movement very closely, but I can just imagine if they saw you as a threat.

[-] 1 points by Nordic (390) 2 years ago

Okay, anyone who mentions Soros as some kind of Big Bad Baddie is just a hypnotized tool of the Faux News Paranoia network. Please try to break away from the infotainment/propaganda nipple and grow up. Pay attention. THINK for yourself, READ for yourself, don't just suck down the hate-filled swill they feed you and that you for some BIZARRE reason willingly swallow.

Seriously. Soros is nothing. He's a tiny fish in the shark tank.

[-] 1 points by RoughKarma (122) 2 years ago

...and yet you respond with the hate-filled swill and tired catch-phrases of someone else . Amazing.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 2 years ago

You are assuming that all OWS members or supporters believe that all business owners are the enemy. An unfair assessment to say the least...

I would like to think that (especially in this economy) any person (OWS member or otherwise) who does get a job would do their damned best to make themselves indispensable...

Personally... I don't mind the rich being rich... after all... I plan to be rich one day...

My problem is that it appears to be only the rich who receive any kind of real political representation or consideration... that they are allowed to legally bribe politicians into doing what they want... or stop them from doing what the people want...

Let them outsource... but then please stop giving them breaks using the rationale that they will someday create jobs... Dont give them breaks for creating jobs overseas...

Let them move their facilities offshore, but then raise their tariffs... You move your production or service centers offshore? Well then... there should be a tariff on your goods and services right? In order to allow a new domestic player to be competitive...

Let them speculate... but tax those capital gains at the same rate... speculation does not add value... it drives up costs...

LET THEM FAIL. Do not allow them to be "too big to fail." Bigger isn't always better... as the failure of some communist systems based on that ideology has demonstrated... remember the failed farming and manufacturing 'collectives'?

The rich probably deserve to be rich... they probably made some good choices, had some good ideas and have a different mindset from the masses... and this is fine... what is not fine is that they then force the govt to institute legislation which makes it easier for them to stay on top... while not providing any benefit to the people in general...

The disparity between the rich and poor may be (in part at least) because of their choices, but the disparity between the representation in government available to the rich and poor is what upsets me...

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

i bet he pays minimum wage

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 2 years ago

thank you @uncensored. even though dont think you have to worry about that. none of them are going to try to get a job anyway.

[-] 0 points by poltergist22 (159) 2 years ago

This is what we should do..... www.nationalday911.org

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[-] -1 points by muddFlapp (-108) 2 years ago

OWS loons do not want to get hired but they want you money anyways. OWS is not a movement but it is a fad and a dieing one

[+] -6 points by GirlFriday (21783) 2 years ago

I am 1 of tens of thousands (and growing) that will refuse to do business with you. It will take just minutes to figure out who you are in a job interview. Trust me on that.

Good luck with your future.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (20500) 2 years ago

LOL!

[+] -7 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

good don't

I wouldn't want to work for an asshole like you anyway

there are plenty of people - both business owners and employees - who support this movement.

there are even politicians who support the movement.

hit it you worthless fuck

and don't come back

[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Dislike. A perfect example of a missed opportunity! Instead of spewing verbal excrement, take the time to open dialog with that PERSON. Find out why they think the way they do and show them where their views are inaccurate. That is the best way to educate people and win them over to a just cause. What you learn from the exchange of ideas will strengthen your arguments in the future. As it is, you have taken the movement a step backwards.

[+] -6 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

most of these asshats are professionals intent on the destruction of the forum - or hardened ideologues happy with the same outcome. I save the kind of patience you are referring to for people I actually know - and believe me - restraining myself is all I can do in such instances.

If in your estimate I have single handedly taken the movement a step backward then you have clearly overestimated my power.

Either that - or you just don't know which way we are headed.

in any case . . ..

  • the repelican party is DONE
[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

You won't know their position if you don't dialog. Attack their message, not the messenger! Anything else sets us back.

[-] 1 points by rayl (1007) 2 years ago

yes, dialog is the best way!

[+] -6 points by ZenDog (20508) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

In many cases I already know what their message is. I've heard their message over and over since at least 2007.

Think about this for a moment - think about the budget debate, and the insistence by Boner and Cantor that we not end bushite tax breaks - that the bailouts did not save jobs.

Can you say with certainty they believe that myth? Or not?

  • do they know they are lying?

  • or do they simply believe their own party line?

which is worse?

These people are elected representatives - tea party candidates and their brinkmanship caused jobs numbers to fall, the stock market to recede, during the six weeks running up to that debate.

15 trillion in debt

and their only solution is to privatized social security?

this is a serious issue, how it is resolved is a serious issue, it is not a talking point in some goddamned popularity contest - issues like this affect every single citizen in the country and they want to use it to take power, cut spending, cut the ability of government to protect the people from corporate abuse, and turn every single citizen into little revenue generators for the private sector.

If you want to debate with these fools hand fed lies by faux snuuz you go ahead - most of them who have accepted these lies have accepted them on the basis of appeals to racism or classism -

and quite frankly I'm running out of patience with both.

but you go ahead. Debate if you like.

If you think you find something contained within the forum post worth debating then you just have at it.