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Forum Post: How to reform the Tax System

Posted 3 years ago on Oct. 3, 2011, 6:19 p.m. EST by Silversoul (13)
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Even progressive income taxes ultimately end up falling on the poor. Sure, the rich may complain that they're being taxed a lot, but the public services that government provides with those taxes end up capitalized in land values. Land values come from what is called "economic rent," which is community-created value. That is, it is a value which is not reducible to any individual contribution. One of the contributors to land values is government expenditure. If government were instead to tax land values, this tax could not be passed on to the poor, since it would not affect the supply of land. It is also more just to tax land rents instead of wages and income, as it is wealth created by the community rather than by any individual.

In addition, the speculative underuse of the most productive land creates an artificial scarcity of capital. This artificial scarcity gives capital a surplus-value called "interest," or "real interest," which is a component of bank interest, along with risk premium and expected rate of inflation. The power of interest puts the owners of capital in a position of power over the workers, who have nothing but their labor-power to sell. Thus, the power of capital is rooted in the power of land.

Land speculation also drives an 18-year cycle which is the largest component of the business cycle, or "boom-bust" cycle, as it is sometimes called. Yes, Wall Street made this latest crisis many orders of magnitude worse than it had to be with derivatives and other debt instruments, but note that underlying all this debt was a land bubble. For all the power we attribute to money in the hands of banks and Wall Street speculators, their power would prove impotent without the power of land.

The Great Tax Clawback Scam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xFxS-BIEs

Interview with Fred Harrison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbrYA62Hheo

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[-] 1 points by EconoCurious (1) 3 years ago

Can you please explain more about "the speculative underuse of the most productive land creates an artificial scarcity of capital", and how this leads to interest?

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

end all taxation and have the congress print the money and distribute it like it says in the USA constitution.

[-] 1 points by Silversoul (13) 3 years ago

Uh...that's not in the Constitution. The Constitution clearly specifies that Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

and print and coin money.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

and distribute it and regulate the value thereof.

[-] 1 points by Silversoul (13) 3 years ago

Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money. The tax system should be reformed to fall on wealth rather than income. Tax takings, not earnings.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

"Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money"

nope. taxation period of any kind is merely and only a means to the end of creating a caste system. And even deeper, taxation dynamically entropizes a system, so its not only not necessary to regulate money, its the single largest entropic contributor to the system. The ONLY reason why we pay taxes is thats the feudal system; the idea that we pay anything remotely approaching the same thing or fair to what the rich pay is preposterous. The whole point of taxes is to distribute wealth from the poor to the rich. period.

gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago

"the end goal product should be that every small community takes care of its own. Any federal system is a problem definition of something requiring more serious attention to solve. long term social programs managed by nation sized meta entities is a disaster not only socially and civilly but to the people who get third rate borg social services. A well functioning system does not need a welfare system, it only has a highly evolved net which catches people and only involves less than one percent of the population at any given time, not punishing but rehabing and educating folks. Until such time as that end goal is achieved, no hand outs is a paradox... you have to spend time and thus money in order to fix the problems till their fixed past needing time or money."

[-] 1 points by Silversoul (13) 3 years ago

You have no idea what feudalism is. Feudalism is a system of land monopoly, which in fact had no taxes, but only rent to the landlord. Taxing land values and using them for the benefit of the community is the antithesis of feudalism.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

sorry, i do know exactly what feudalism is. You trying to talk about its main features and then say that other features of feudalism are not the feudalism is silly. The dominant or single most relevant point is land ownership, certainly, but there are other features of feudalism, one of which is most certainly taxes, and to the point, by definition taxation as such begins in feudal systems. It is remarkably futile and silly to argue with me. It would be wiser to stop and take your opportunity to chat with the DJIN. capitalism is ALSO a system which has NEVER existed.

the core issues; 1. Corporate Personhood. 2. Caste Warfare; they started it. 3. Its legal to lie to the USA public. 4. They are OUR airwaves. They should be used for WETHEPEOPLE not leased by the government to corporations. Put Local colleges in charge of all the media. Arrest and seize all mass media devices and then give those devices straight out to the local colleges, including the land they sit on. We need education public media; not legalized lying and propaganda wars against the people. 5. Education reform. Everyones being kept stupid and ignorant on purpose in school and repugnicons want to argue about how to pay or punish teachers. We need child centered education reform, not a con scam to privatize education and thus score all our children for corporate zombotification. 6. Free market system. Not slave market system. Not caste market system. Not Caste warfare market system. Not rigged Casino. Not making something off of nothing and making bubbles to grease a gravy train either. Free market system. We must have one of those. Its time to have one of those. We have NEVER YET had one of those. 7. Realistic regulation of the government to regulate and control corporations so that what they do is fair and just and ethical and under control instead of a parade of unleashed godzillas turning the masses into to toe jam. 8. Real and direct representation, including no more lobbying, and including an evolutionary use of the internet with organized forums and wikis replacing the old style of congressional/ mayoral office.

"Right, but that still doesn't preclude taxation, which is in fact necessary to regulate the value of money"

nope. taxation period of any kind is merely and only a means to the end of creating a caste system. And even deeper, taxation dynamically entropizes a system, so its not only not necessary to regulate money, its the single largest entropic contributor to the system. The ONLY reason why we pay taxes is thats the feudal system; the idea that we pay anything remotely approaching the same thing or fair to what the rich pay is preposterous. The whole point of taxes is to distribute wealth from the poor to the rich. period.

gawdoftruth (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 0 seconds ago

"the end goal product should be that every small community takes care of its own. Any federal system is a problem definition of something requiring more serious attention to solve. long term social programs managed by nation sized meta entities is a disaster not only socially and civilly but to the people who get third rate borg social services. A well functioning system does not need a welfare system, it only has a highly evolved net which catches people and only involves less than one percent of the population at any given time, not punishing but rehabing and educating folks. Until such time as that end goal is achieved, no hand outs is a paradox... you have to spend time and thus money in order to fix the problems till their fixed past needing time or money."

[-] 1 points by Silversoul (13) 3 years ago

You're talking gibberish. You're even worse than the other Paultards.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

your awfully fond of ad homs and are probably trolling. say one thing that would convince somebody not to remove you.

[-] 1 points by Silversoul (13) 3 years ago

I've made my case and gotten nothing but babbling from you. You're a greater troll than I could ever hope to be. If they do remove me, they'd better remove you as well.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 3 years ago

lol. They are already coming to know me pretty well. Thats NOT a winning statement. Heres a winning statement to help you with a cheat sheat. I'm here working for humanity. Not for an ideology. I may be flawed or have imperfections but i am certainly open to go seek the truth and find out. I will evolve my understanding as i encounter new information. And i will stand strong for the truth once it is known. I'm sorry that you don't have an argument, and sorry that you are either just a random guy whos not really thought things through or sorry that your trolling. since i don't know with certainty which i am just going to flag you. Since its really well past proven I'm the guy whos actually an agent of evolutionary change, its prolly not a great idea to come into conflict with me.