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Forum Post: How to create US jobs and make the US "Independent"

Posted 6 years ago on April 13, 2012, 11:02 p.m. EST by SteveKJR (-497)
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We need to continue to drill for oil so that we can become "Independent"

We need build pipelines to distribute this oil to various locations through the country so that we can become "Independent"

We need to build more oil refineries throughout various stratetgic locations in the US to process this oil so that we can become "Independent" and drastically reduce consumer prices.

We need to build more "nuclear plants" throughout various strategic in the US so that we can become "Independent"

Now there will be those of you who claim - we don't need no stinking oil drilling and need to get off using oil.

Well I say to you - get rid of all your consumer products and walk around naked because everything you own has a "oil tag" associated with the process of either producing or delivering it.

Now once we do this - we can cut all relations with any oil producing company and tell them to "go to hell".

We can then focus on working towards refining green energy and within the next 30 years we should be completely energy independent.

Now, for those of you who say why not do it now, I say to you - we are but its slow in making the transformation.

By doing what I have suggested will give this country "independence" which is what this country was founded on and we shall no longer be a "slave" to high consumer prices because we are shackeled to whatever the market dictates.

Also we definietly need to "raise the energy margin requirements" to stop artifically inflating oil prices - and that can be done with oil that is produced within our borders by regulation.



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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

A post with a BS start and ending in a myth/lie.

You want change? Real change? Health and prosperity? Kick fossil fuel to the curb ASAP and end subsidies to them NOW or rather TRANSFER them to Green Energy R&D and implementation.

[-] -2 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

You know what - you don't know anything about energy or how it's produced. For if you did, you wouldn't be making your assinine statement about "Green Energy Research & Develeopment"

If you haven't noticed, green energy only consists of less the 10% of the overall energy in this country. On top of that it's going to take another 30 or so years to get this country turned in that direction.

So, if you feel that what I have sated is "BS" then I say to you if you are that dedicated to "green energy" take off all your clothes and get rid of your electronic devices and anything else you own because eveything you have or own is a "byproduct of oil".

You are a moron if you think this country is going to be "green" anytime soon.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

Stick your head back in the sand it is green energy implementation that has given us a surplus in oil a surplus now beginning to be exported.

Exported you say?

Yes and with no reduction in price at the home pumps.

But how could that be you ask? As if we have a surplus the law of supply and demand says that costs go down.

Huh. Now that is a real head scratcher in'it.

But but.

No buts no price reduction.

Now figure there are 160 (?) obsolete power plants being decommissioned.


Wonder what would happen if they were replaced by green tech.?

Reduction in oil use? Reduction in coal use? Reduction in price of fossil fuel?

Yes Yes and not bloody likely. Not until futures trading/speculation is regulated.

[-] -1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

I like your way of thinking but it's not logical. Yes we have an increased supply of oil and it's being exported - why - because we don't have the refining capacity to refine it and that's why the price hasn't come down.

If what you say is true then why is the price of natural gas down so low. It's because there is a "distribution" network to get it where it is needed and used. Not stored in tanks somewhere being distributed by "portable tanks" as with gasoline.

This country doesn't have the ability to produce enough "green energy" as you call it to recoupe the losses of plants that are going off line.

And you can be sure, if nothing is done with electrical power generation within the next 10 years you will be paying way more for electrical powere then for gasoline - you can be sure of that.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

BTW - we do have an enormous and largely un-tap'ed green power tech.

This is where we should be going: Green Energy we have the technology we just need to use it. This is what I am talking about. A clean future to be implemented NOW!




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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33496) from Coon Rapids, MN 6 years ago

They would not be allowed to export if it was a matter of refining capacity. It would enter the reserves on hand and start to build toward a glutted American market and phenomenally low prices.

Why you might ask?

Because as you pointed out our whole damn economy is tied to oil.

It is the inflated prices that set us up for having an strangled economy in the 1st place leading into the WallStreet and Banker economic meltdown.

There is no give in the economy for many reasons and Price of fuel, extortion due to an unregulated market and captive customers is a very large contributor. Add in wage disparity as part of corporate profit and we now have a very very unhealthy economy.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (3900) 6 years ago

Yes we do need to cut our consumption of oil and oil containing products good point Steve - hoorah! You're forgetting the oil will go to the highest bidder and how do you know that will be the U.S. especially since Wall Street has downsized the American Consumer (and thus the economy and put themselves out of business) ? I don't think Natural gas is as transportable as oil is, but if it ever is look out for big increases in cost.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

Well like I said, if we control " the energy margin requirements' on oil speculation the prices will stabilize and won't be held hostage to bidding wars for wealth.

As far as natural gas goes yes it is transportable - we have natural gas pipelines all through out the country and that is the reason the price is so low - easy to get to market and the consumer.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (3900) 6 years ago

Natural gas is not transportable overseas in tankers though is it?

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3900) 6 years ago

Have you ever looked at how much oil the US produces now? It's quite a bit You are misguided - getting independent would be to get rid of dependency on oil until you do you'll always be a bitch to the people that own it. just because they drill in the US doesn't mean the US owns it (unless you want the government to take possession of all US oil on behalf of the tax payers but I'm betting no on that one) or that even an American company owns it, or that even a Saudi Arabian company doesn't own it. Dubai ports deal ring a bell? How will it change the market when the same damn oil companies will probably still own the oil (even if it's drilled here). In fact I'd be quite a bit more pissed off to know that it still cost the same at the same over-inflated prices but they wripped up and polluted the people's land (yours and mine) to do it.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

There are companies in the US that drill for oil and it would make us oil independent if we completed the network required to make us independen instead of only a partial network.

Look at the price of natural gas - it is very cheap now - why - because of distribution throughtout the country - it is not only being used or processed in one place. That's the difference.

[-] 1 points by XenXmith (8) from Fairfax, CA 6 years ago

"There are companies in the US that drill for oil and it would make us oil independent" If companies own the oil, how can we be independent?

[-] 1 points by XenXmith (8) from Fairfax, CA 6 years ago

Spoken like a paid shill. Nationalizing the nations oil to run mass transit systems...Now that's the ticket.

[-] 1 points by TheMisfit (48) 6 years ago

The problem is that our oil is not "our" oil. It belongs to the companies that drill, ship and refine oil from the US, then sell it on the world market. It is because we allow a US based resource to be sold on the world market that we cannot control its use or price. While it may be "socialist" or "fascist", it is a fact that if the US (through the government) cannot retain rights to its own oil, it will never achieve independence and prices will continue to soar.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

There are a lot of private companies drilling on private land right now that are US companies. There is a lot less oil drilling on "public lands" because of government regulations.

[-] 1 points by TheMisfit (48) 6 years ago

I know it. The government has been saying that they want energy independence since Carter started the DOE, but their actions continue to prove otherwise.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 6 years ago

It's going to take the voter to change things in Washington DC. That's the only way it will happen -

[-] 1 points by TheMisfit (48) 6 years ago

The average voter is too stuck on supporting a party over a person and feeds on the left/right divide. I fear that no real change will occur until after we collapse and have to start over.