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Forum Post: How Ordinary People Will Take Power and Change Politics in the 21st Century. Carne Ross

Posted 2 years ago on May 5, 2012, 8:14 p.m. EST by Odin (583)
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I recently watched a Bill Moyers show where he interviewed Paul Volcker, and then a man named Carne Ross. Mr. Ross who is a trained economist has made the extraordinary journey from being a senior British diplomat, where he helped write what he knew was flawed justification for the Iraq War to being an author, and activist. His latest book is entitiled, "The Leaderless Revolution," with the sub-title being the title of this thread. If you haven't guessed by now, he is also a strong supporter of the Occupy movement.

This is a story of redemption, and it is a beautiful story. I have included an essay that Mr. Moyers aired after the two interviews. Pay special attention to the last paragraph because in part, that is a story about you, and all the courageous people that are here for the right reasons.

Bill Moyers Essay: Restructuring Wall St. From The Bottom Up

BILL MOYERS: You will have noticed that our two guests are hopeful men. Paul Volcker, as formidable an establishment figure as there is, thinks common sense will yet prevail in Congress. Here's to him! But frankly, ranchers praying for rain to end the drought in Texas probably have better odds.

As for Carne Ross: He says you can't count on the system to do the right thing, and he imagines a different way of politics and commerce altogether, more accountable to democracy and diversity than to powerbrokers and players at the top. That's a long reach in a country whose political system is biased against reform. But as we've been reporting for the past two weeks, there are some answers blowing in the wind. Just last week, "The Wall Street Journal' reported on how a movement to challenge big banks at the local level has gained momentum around the country. The Los Angeles City Council is considering an ordinance that would gather foreclosure and other data on banks that do business with the city. Officials in Kansa City, Missouri, passed a resolution directing the city manager to do business only with banks that are responsive to the community. And here in New York City, legislation is pending to require banks to invest in local neighborhoods if they want to hold city deposits. Similar actions are underway in other cities.

Of course, these activities are up against one of the country's most powerful industries. Lobbyist's for the financial sector spent nearly half a billion dollars last year. But as you can see, these activists are beginning to get traction locally. And they don't seem put off by the magnitude of taking on Goliath with slingshots. In the closing pages of his book, Carne Ross asks them - and us - to remember something too many have forgotten -- "that we are at our best in adventure, compassion for others, and the aspiration for something greater." Only when confronted by unfathomable challenge, he writes, "only then are we truly alive."

Odin: How inspiring is that?! We should all take those words to heart....and we should also remember that this is a story about.. HOPE and PERSEVERANCE.

http://billmoyers.com/segment/carne-ross-on-being-agents-of-change/

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[-] 1 points by Democracy101 (54) 2 years ago

Thanks for posting this. I came upon another excellent interview with Mr. Ross, the best I have seen so far. this is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeNeWrxRfn4

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That was good, but I fell asleep wathing it. I will watch it again though. Here is another Moyer's interview with a former army cononel turned professor along the same lines, charting a new course. It's well worth watching. We have an important role to play in a new world, but it is not the same as the one we have now.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04092010/profile2.html

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8689) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Thank you for this post Odin.

Might I point out that these actions within the system are both wonderful and necessary like others I will not mention out of respect. I do feel that hammering at them little by little is important but a fundamental change in the way we think of money and of government, that runs counter to the one fostered by the 1`% for so many years will be needed in the end. Don’t get me wrong I certainly think working within and without will be needed.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

You are welcome. I too believe that a fundamental change in our politics and money is necessary. Admittedly some of these measures that are being taken aren't near enough, but they are a start. Much of the change we need will have to come incrementally....unfortunately. The changes that Mr. Carne proposes although far-reaching will not even be enough, but for a person of such influence to say the things he has, is quite remarkable at this point.

In the end though, I believe this new way of lookiing at these issues will have to come from the young people, and that is why I do not pretend to have the mind to say what the solutions should be. So, I guess that I am saying that I am smart enough to know what I don't know, unlike some people here who think they have all the answers. As far as I can see, we are very like-minded.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8689) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I agree Mr. Carne in the interview speaks of bigger changes, I was more reffering to what had been done in KC and NYC these small things add up, I think maybe that's how this happens a bit at a time, but in the end it will take a real shift in the way people think about a lot of things, Bruce Cockburn worte, "two by two, eyes come open"

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I know that my eyes have opened a lot more since i have been here. The big difference being, I have learned to look at these issues through the eyes of people half my age.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8689) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

well it's their world, we're just visiting

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

yes...hope it is not too short of a visit, they need our help. lol

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (8689) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

could be, I do wonder what happens when the last Cronkite is gone, so to speak, there are so few left who are not just readers...

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

There is only Bill Moyers left as far as I can see, and he is only on once a week.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8689) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

could be, lists can be useful at times, but point is there are few and more of the people we see just read off screens that's all they've done, they get paid well, they may not even be dishonest, just unaware

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I can't believe that they can be that shallow, and "unaware."

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8689) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

belief is so hard to come by, sometimes it escapes entirely....

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21481) 2 years ago

Very nice. Thanks for posting this, Odin. These are the kinds of revelations we need people to have.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Thanks, I didn't know anything about this guy until last night. I almost turned it off after the Paul Volcker inerview. I'm glad that I didn't. To know that there are so many cities taking these action is very encouraging.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21481) 2 years ago

And, that people are starting to get what Occupy is about is very promising.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34832) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

TRUTH.

[-] -2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I think that it is even starting to reach the conservative area that I live in, despite negative press coverage, or in most cases no coverage.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (21481) 2 years ago

That's great.

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

I have been doing my little part here by printing up hybrid flyers. There is OWS stuff on the outside, and then my own thing on the inside...like a book...on bright green paper. The inside ends with this, "Choose the World That Your Kids Will Grow Up In - Support Occupy Wall Street or Don't Complain And - The Corrupt Status Quo Will Continue By Default." Then I drop them off at super-markets, convenience stores, laundry mats, and libraries.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21481) 2 years ago

Keep it up, Odin.

[-] -3 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Okie dokie, i will. it's easy once you have them printed out...I just drop 3-4 off at a time when I'm going there anyway.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34832) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you so much for sharing that.

[-] -3 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes I knew when i was watching it, that it would be something good to share with y'all. Moyer's essay was icing on the cake. That guy should be cloned.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34832) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

There is still some good in the world - thanks for helping to keep the embers alive.

[-] -3 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Yes and we have to watch out for those who are trying to douse those "embers." But then again, after taking on "Goliath," that should be no problem, eh?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (34832) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Another day under the sun. {:-])

[-] -3 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

You sure that isn't a dunce cap DK? :-)

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (34832) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hey Hey HEY - pith helmet - sun is dangerous after all. ( shh global warming damaged ozone layer shhh to many deniers trolling about )

That's my story and I'm stickin to it.