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Forum Post: How is this peaceful?

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 14, 2011, 6:01 p.m. EST by LiberalTreeHugger (11)
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I do not understand how this is peaceful when the protesters are running rampant in the street causing havoc? I thought it was ok to walk on the sidewalk but it seems that this protest is trying to stop the working class from getting to/from work. Today, I saw protesters being very confrontational with the police. The police only wanted the protesters on the sidewalk.

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[-] 6 points by beefybear (27) from Eagleswood, NJ 12 years ago

pic or it didnt happen

[-] 1 points by LiberalTreeHugger (11) 12 years ago

@beffybear = Just turn on the TV! It's on the news, the protesters are standing in front of the scooter police and won't move out of the street.

[-] 2 points by ribis (240) 12 years ago

Pics/vids or it didn't happen. This is the Internet age.

[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 12 years ago

Step one: Admit you are powerless over your television propaganda Step two: Ask a higher power to help you turn your TV off Step three : Watch this http://youtu.be/HFvT_qEZJf8 If you really want to break out of the Matrix watch this http://youtu.be/NXg70qJQ6O0

[-] 3 points by ExternalObserver (6) 12 years ago

From all my observations in my entire life, in all countries of the world other than the United States, the protest marches are in the streets, not in the sidewalk. When 100,000 people go to the streets of France in a general strike (and that happens two or three times every year), they don't stay in the sidewalk... Staying in the sidewalk is bizarro in terms of social protest.

[-] 2 points by Patron32 (79) 12 years ago

Thank you for sharing. I must say, it is sobering reading something like this. Was it a reality check writing it? I mean listen to what you said, what you wrote! I seems innocent enough, but you are talking about a protest in an American city. Class confrontations. Honestly, do you think anything is going to be done if everyone is all nice and tidy and proper? I think some shirts are going to have to get dirty at least, perhaps a few nails broken. :) Much love, I hope that those people going to work are at least aware they are supporting a system that is unsustainable.

Keep posting, keep sharing though. Much love from the Northwest!

http://www.smashwords.com/books/view/94223

[-] 1 points by LiberalTreeHugger (11) 12 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGGuPV0bPR0 The guy laying on the ground claims he was hit by the scooter but obviously he is a bad actor, four (4) eye-witnesses came forward later and admitted the guy was faking it, so let's move on: Forward to 2:37, listen to the protester say "If you don't have a camera, let's get arrested later" How is this peaceful? Sounds to me as if they are asking to get arrested?

[-] 1 points by paulscottwright (17) 12 years ago

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[-] 1 points by armchairecon (138) 12 years ago

I think they are trying to get you fired so you will get pissed off at 'the man' and join their cause

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 12 years ago

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[-] 1 points by c0lex (40) 12 years ago

You want the media version of what's happening or the truth? If you want the truth about what's really going on, watch this very short and educational clip: http://youtu.be/6dtD8RnGaRQ

[-] 1 points by occupy4people (3) 12 years ago

We will do whatever we have to do. Revolutions dont come easy as we have seen but we will prevail. Somebody please tell the police to quit using violence against us....

[-] 1 points by occupy4people (3) 12 years ago

We will do whatever we have to do. Revolutions dont come easy as we have seen but we will prevail. Somebody please tell the police to quit using violence against us....

[-] 1 points by Flsupport (578) 12 years ago

You gotta be trolling....and there are some who would start trouble just to make the movement seem less peaceful......like people who come on a site to state unfounded rumor......

[-] 1 points by occupyrise (10) 12 years ago

anyone who advocates LYING or VIOLENCE in the name of Occupy Wall St. is an agent-provocateur. They should be ostracized & scorned.

Ignore their attempts to engage you in debate. They want to waste your time & energy and distract & discredit our cause.

But what if they aren't an agent-provocateur?

Then their methods are wrong and will harm us. They should be ostracized and scorned.

"Non-violence and truth are inseparable and presuppose one another." -Mohandas Gandhi

[-] 1 points by IlliniCornfields (71) from Elmhurst, IL 12 years ago

When the sidewalks get full where are they to go?

[-] 1 points by seaglass (671) from Brigantine, NJ 12 years ago

Agent provocateurs are a standard method the elites and their agencies and orgs. will use to break this up. Some violence is unavoidable. Even in the Civil rights movement as non-violent as it was at time spun out of the control of anyone in the movement. The whole movement should not be judged by the acts of a few.

[-] 1 points by dmox (9) from Cranford, NJ 12 years ago

agree, there are definitely provocateurs planted in the movement, you must watchout, they will yell that something is happening that isn't just to rile you up and try to get a mob like mentality going. I saw this happen twice in the square today, but most people were ignoring the fellow. Don't judge the whole movement by the actions of the few. He was a guy we never saw before, but he was trying to speak with authority, the NYPD is big on doing this.

[-] 1 points by seaglass (671) from Brigantine, NJ 12 years ago

Many Gov't agencies have these people and they're highly trained. The sad things is that as we speak more and more of these creatures are being injected into every group around the country. many will lay low and become part of whatever semi-leadership or orgs. exist in these groups and they're they will do their "dirty work" subverting and spying on everyone. I was SDS back in the 60's and I watched as our group was infiltrated by the FBI, Army Intel, and on and on. It got so bad that at meeting I swear half the people were Gov't agents. This is in danger of the same thing happening because of the leaderless and open aspect of it. Its why anarchic groups almost always fail when up against tightly organized and well financed and armed groups.

[-] 1 points by dmox (9) from Cranford, NJ 12 years ago

what a shame, I want to believe that the movement can continue as a direct democracy as it is, but boy the undercovers are definitely out there, or I should say in there, and they will attempt to reek havoc.

[-] 1 points by seaglass (671) from Brigantine, NJ 12 years ago

Look, to be honest, #OWS no matter what happens has already been an enormous success. But, that said, its chances of surviving the ongoing efforts underway to either 1. Co-opt it, 2. own it, or 3. kill it are near ZERO. That's ok, the reasons for its sudden rise won't go away and another rising will come, an even more powerful one. Think of what is happening as a tectonic event and the various groups and individuals as plates. As the pressure builds earthquakes ( people quakes), if the lid is jammed back down the pressure builds even stronger and harder. Our system is locked right now and pressure is building from below. This is a warning of the big one to come and maybe the tsunami ( Revolution) coming if our so called leaders don't shuffle ( make big reforms) the deck.

[-] 1 points by odiug (93) 12 years ago

For ethics of civil disobedience and new media read this:

http://spot.colorado.edu/~calabres/Calabrese%20%28civl%20dis%29.pdf

You might learn something :-D I like especially this little passage :

"Despite the fact that strict advocates of nonviolence do not welcome the threat or use of violent force, it is reasonable to assume that their message becomes more effective in a context in which the threat of violence looms as a clear alternative."

Think about it ... very hard ... it is true!

[-] 1 points by Dionysuslives (170) 12 years ago

So blocking the street is "violent" now? Short of everyone standing on the sidewalk doing the Care BearsStare, Im not sure what level of passivity would fit with your hyper-peacenik sensibilities.

"When freedom is outlawed, only the outlaws will be free." -Anon

[-] 1 points by CuttheBS (143) 12 years ago

you're free to do whatever you want until your action infringes on another's freedom. If you're blocking the street and preventing other people from getting to work, then you should be given a warning to get out of people's way. If you're going to act a fool and and get in the cop's face about your "freedom of expression", then you should be slammed to the ground and arrested.

[-] 1 points by Dionysuslives (170) 12 years ago

I disagree. The cops exist to defend the status-quo on behalf of the wealthy. Ergo, there are times when they should be actively defied. Now, I may disagree with specific instances of when this happens for both strategic and ethical reasons, but obedience to the law is not an intrinsic moral good.

[-] 1 points by CuttheBS (143) 12 years ago

Respect others' freedom and they will respect yours. Getting in the way of other people trying to get on with their lives because you want to express your self is selfish and disrespectful. The law allows you to protest, which is why you're still there. The law just asks you to not get in other people's way.

[-] 1 points by Dionysuslives (170) 12 years ago

And since when does freedom mean never having to be inconvenienced? Maybe the people getting pissed off about not being able to get to work should thank their lucky stars that they aren`t digging their next meal out of a trash heap on the outskirts of Johannesburg.

[-] 1 points by CuttheBS (143) 12 years ago

You can't be taken seriously if you're comparing the US to Libya, Egypt, and here to Johannesburg. People in those countries are literally fighting for their lives. Here you actually have a spot to publicly protest, and you only get arrest if you don't stick to your spot. And if you do get arrested, you get ticketed and released. In Libya, Egypt, Syria, the "Arab Spring", protesters are getting shot at with live ammo, it's actually life or death. I think this movement has good intentions, but unfortunately melodramatic people who don't know how good they have it fuck it up for everyone else.

[-] 1 points by Dionysuslives (170) 12 years ago

I wasn't making a "comparison," I was making a contrast. My point is that, in contrast to people who are fighting for their lives, the slight inconvenience of not being able to get to work is something they should be able to just suck up without whining about it.

[-] 0 points by CuttheBS (143) 12 years ago

Ha, people are sucking it up and going to work, the protesters are the one whining

[-] 1 points by Dionysuslives (170) 12 years ago

Then, pardon me, but the law itself must be challenged.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

Start at the top, solve all the problems, address all the solutions.---

1) Movement consolidates demand for Article V. 2)Citizens supporters in states create ballot intiatives or demonstate in demand at state offices and capitals to get legislators to apply to congress for an Article V. 3) Congress begins to convene delegates. Guarding the citizens voice, and ability to share then form quality opinion, with some uniformity to be tested, only the First Amendment is accepted for revision by the public because the movement has warned them away from all but the 1st amendment and elections. 4)While this is happening an interim proposal for amendment is made regarding election systems to assure that the vote will be properly taken and counted. 5) Citizens decry any accelerated amendments which may be in corporate interests, nwo interests, etc. BEFORE the First Amendment is revised giving national mass media to activist interests that can show their proposals for information meet the criteria for public support on national level. Paint them as corporate attempts to do again what they already did with 50 years of extremely manipulative, deceptive and exploitive media dividing and disabling Americans from unifying in support of the constitution. 6) Ratification elections in states take place and AFTER Article V is used to make certain that speech needed for survival is shared and understood, http://algoxy.com/poly/meaning_of_free_speech.html revision of the 1st amendment, then national media is used perhaps 4 nights a week for 1 to 2 hours of primetime tv to expose the entire hijacking of constitutional government. This educates the citizens to the point where their appreciation of what has happened compels them to unify properly and be prepared for survival through a wider, set of amendments dealing with economy, environment, immigration etc. 7)Following the education of America, about a year maybe, delegates are reconvened to review a newly created structure of amendments that undo all the unconstitutional aspects inserted over the last century or so. The informed public will have vetted the proper insertion of amendment to reduce the amount of amendment putting fears of rampant amendment to rest. Voters will ratify and the nations focuses on recovery.

[-] 1 points by Dionysuslives (170) 12 years ago

Sorry, dude, that one solid block of text just makes my eyes cross. Besides, the ins-and-outs of constitutional law just puts me to sleep.

[-] 1 points by ChristopherABrown (550) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

How very social of you to accomodate the new world order by pretending you are too cool to take on a block of text to rationally review strategy cable of solving problems the movement is dedicated to. And, of course, the nwo worked hard to put America to sleep, so they appreciate your effort very much!

[-] 1 points by CuttheBS (143) 12 years ago

then don't be upset when the protector of the people, the police, get a little rough with you

[-] 1 points by Dionysuslives (170) 12 years ago

I`m not a direct participant in these actions, just a voice of critical solidarity. However, I have participated in similar actions before and have made the decision to risk arrest. I'm on hiatus right now but my heart's still in it... at least on my own terms.

[-] 0 points by Coltsin10 (18) 12 years ago

I think the cops should start beating the shit out of you hippies.

[-] 0 points by gmoneygross (205) from Brooklyn, NY 12 years ago

Oh, it's not peaceful. These people are idiots who's only motive is to hurt and insult people.