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Forum Post: How Hillary Stole Iowa: Voter Fraud Caught On Live Tv

Posted 5 years ago on Feb. 2, 2016, 4:45 p.m. EST by Nevada1 (5843)
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[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

The whole caucus process is shameful if you ask me. I saw them putting votes in popcorn containers (you know, the ones from the movies.) I also heard there was coin flipping and Hillary won all the coin flips. Ask any mathematician what the probability of that would be. And, to think that Americans think it's justified to force democracy around the world with the point of a gun. We have a lot to learn.

In the end, it doesn't matter, because Bernie won. With no Super Pac, no establishment endorsement, no media endorsement, no large contributions, and frankly, no experience running a national campaign (remember Hillary's been to Iowa several times with her husband and on her own against Obama) Bernie won, he won for the people and with the people.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

'' * '' = BIG TWINKLE!!! Can you believe this shit?!! Hitlary Rotten Clinton's Election Machine .. are time served in electoral crookery but Bernie mostly has young, un-cynical, honest young people & it shows!

per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

EDIT----Good comment BW. No democracy here, and no democracy anywhere (except Iceland).

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

As we knew, ''Something smells in the Democratic Party''; Des Moines Register, Editorial:

Oh my! What a total dog's dinner the Corporate DNC Crooks have cooked up here!! Wankers!!!

fiat lux ...

EDIT: Also please consider: http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-hillary-stole-iowa-voter-fraud-caught-on-live-/#comment-1069146 for a wider perspective on Bernie's PotUS run and possibilities going forwards.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Say it softly but .. Iceland! Also fyi, please further try to consider:

Hitlary Rotten Clinton will NOT stand up to that but Bernie would!

fiat pax ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Yes, Bernie would. Good link.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''There Is No Freedom Without Truth'',by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts:

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

"There Is No Freedom Without Truth"--------That says it all. So many years have passed since 9/11, and no justice.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Ignore the idiot below comrade, I bring you recent, hot news of something close to both our interests:

I didn't attach it to that Epic Thread of yours on these matters - but you may decide to update it later.

fiat justitia ruat caelum ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Thank you for good news. Am familiar with Butte county, and have a feeling that locals put pressure on DA. Transferred to long thread.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

The locals of Butte County, CA, were the first to kick up a fuss about Feaster The Over-Eater: http://www.themilitant.com/2016/8001/800104.html & I'll add my link above on your thread too.

Solidarity ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Thank you.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Looks like the local PD fired Feaster first - then charged him!!! So that a Serving Cop Escapes Court!! +:

Or does sacking Killer Donut Muncher Feaster, prejudice any future trial and thereby help him in future?!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Good question.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

With the Nevada Caucus not far away, here's one for family, friends and fiends too ..

IF u don't opt out of Duopoly (which is a Perfectly Reasonable), then this video rox!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

"Hillary Rotten Clinton would in effect, be a GOP POTUS!" Yes, I see it that way too. The whole thing would be laughable, if the consequences were not so bad.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''The Liberal Redbaiting of Bernie, by Doug Henwood:

Which starts ... ''The Sanders campaign has certainly sharpened the contradictions, hasn’t it? It’s been very clarifying to see Hillary Clinton and her surrogates running against single-payer and free college ...''

And ends with .. ''Establishment Democrats haven’t merely gone post-hope—they’ve declared war on it.''

The only thing that matters right now .. is an ALL 50 States and ALL Counties attempt to take Sanders' Pro-99%, OWS message to a heavily propagandized, mind-managed & mis-educated American people!!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''Did Hillary’s Machine Rig Iowa? The Highly Improbable Iowa Coin Tosses'':

fiat lux ...

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

Exposing how corrupt the political system is along the way, and using this time for the launching or supporting a third party is paramount IMO.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''Buying of the President 2016 - Numbers to know about the 2016 presidential race.'' ..

by Dave Levinthal, Michael Beckel and Carrie Levine from the http://www.publicintegrity.org/ :

''New financial filings filled with curiosities, surprises.'' There is now so much evidence for ''exposing how corrupt the political system is'' but the Corrupt Corporate MSM, US Oligarchy & the Duopoly - are inked into a diabolical & self-serving symbiosis, that conspires to keep Americans ignorant & thus, compliant.

Any ''launching or supporting a third party'' will now have to await certain political inevitabilities - working themselves out. Those people woken up by Sanders' 99% message, are being woken up in many ways.

''Money Out Of Politics'' is a central OWS & Bernie Sanders tenet. Any putative Third Party - will have to make it a centre piece of their pro-99% platform. The level of lack of awareness about ... just wtf is going in US politics, coupled with the belief that the U$A is the paragon of Democratic Virtue and that Duopoly somehow equates to ''Democracy'' is the result of decades of mind-managing propaganda and ... hubris!

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Good article makes clear the situation.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Hillary Rotten Clinton would in effect, be a GOP POTUS!

''Quod Erat Demonstrandum'' = [That which was shown]!!

[-] -2 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 5 years ago

The problem is you can't recognize nor accept truth. It's always the same story with you conspiracy theorists. Ridiculous. Learn about scholarly analysis, critical thinking, science, etc... and stop being a blind sheep following your Ike And Jones gods...

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago


[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton and the Money'', by Dean Baker:

ends with: '' Suppose Senator Sanders had spent four years in President Obama's cabinet during which time he did everything he could to try to break up the big banks and have corporate criminals put behind bars. Does anyone believe Goldman Sachs would pay him $250,000 to recount his experiences?'' Hmm.

ad iudicium ...

[-] 2 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

Replying here. I agree that any attempt at "launching or support of a third party,"... "...[should] wait for certain political inevitabilities" to play out. Considering how long we have been manipulated and screwed with though, I think it sharpens your senses in learning to think in advance, and in taking a more proactive approach.

In understanding how sheepdogging works, and in particular how its goal is to throw the support of the discontented people back into the corrupt established party, (think!... Jackson, Kucinich and Dean most recently), leaving little time to mount a third party challenge... WE are the ones who should set the conditions on the support we are willing to give Sanders.... hence we should not blindly support him all the way through to the California primaries when there will be just three months left until the general election.. That's kinda like a turkey waiting compliantly in a pen before Thanksgiving.

I would give Sanders a month.... make it clear to him that we will not support Hillary, (no matter what!) then insist that he come out, renounce his stated support for her if he loses, and to run as an Independent now! If we don't do something similar to that, we deserve what we get..... to our bad having been fooled, or cowered by the corrupt elite once again!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

How long has there been time ''to think in advance''?!The ''sheepdogging'' idea was my thought re.DNC allowing Bernie to run for POTUS but I was then advised, that it had fk all to do with DNC and Bernie's campaign made me think again!! It's not about HRC; Democraps or even Sanders!!! It's about this imo:

Furthermore - I really do think that you'd gain from watching Kshama Sawant's SOTU 2016, response. Folk do NOT naturally act like - Turkeys Voting For Thanksgiving! No .. they have to be dumbed down, mis-educated and also heavily propagandized into false-consciousness of faux-''exceptionalism'' first!!!

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''The Elite of the Deep State Pull the Strings of the Marionette Theater in Washington'' ...

ends ...''To look upon Washington once again with fresh eyes, I sometimes feel as Darwin must have when he first set foot on the Galapagos Islands. From the Pentagon to K Street, and from the contractor cube farms in Crystal City to the public policy foundations along Massachusetts Avenew, the terrain and its people are exotic and well worth examining in a scientific manner. The official United States government has its capital there, and so does our state within a state. To describe them in the language of physics, they coexist in the same way it is possible for two subatomic particles to coexist in an entangled quantum state. The characteristics of each particle, or each governmental structure, cannot fully be described independently; instead, we must find a way to describe the system as a whole.''

So go on then TrashyManque' - you li'l gimp - start bleating ''conspiracy theory'' for us all again .. even without reading this excellent link!

verum ex absurdo ...

[-] -3 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 5 years ago

I agree with that quote, but I would push it further. not only is each governmental structure linked to each other like particles in a more complex system, but each these governmental structures are also linked to the people in the street and their structures, etc... Every aspect of society is linked together, and, also, in different ways. That is, we could divide society into many types of groups, etc...

I always had a problem with the OWS simple divisions. 99% vs 1% for example. Or government vs the people. You see this type of binary thinking with conspiracy theorists as well. A kind of cartoonesque version of the world. Simple evil vs simple good (satan vs god, gargamel vs smurfs, bankers vs the rest of us, the elite vs common mortals, etc...) The truth is, everything is linked in many different complex various ways.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

So, re.''The Deep State'' - you at least ''agree'' that it exists do you?!!! If so - tbh, I'm not sure if that's 'progress' or not, lol!! I remember with near total clarity your support for likes of SOPA btw as well as your acceptance and defence of - The Bilderberg Meetings, which even you, couldn't pretend doesn't happen, lol!

Re. ''The truth is, everything is linked in many different complex ways'' - that's also something we can agree on. However ... when these complexities are pointed out, identified and sometimes questioned, some who do not see them, accept their existence &/or wish to not try to understand that which they don't understand .. are liable to then use the catch all, cudgel of, ''Conspiracy Theory'' to say explicitly or imply, STFU & just take what your Govt. & Corporate MSM tell you!!! Do you accept, that that is or maybe - what happens sometimes?!!

Thus consider .. “A “conspiracy theory” no longer means an event explained by a conspiracy. Instead it now means any explanation or even a fact that's out of step with the government’s explanation and that of its media pimps.”! Now try to calmly and carefully consider ...

ad iudicium ...

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 5 years ago

When I and other scholars refer to conspiracy theory, we mean things like the 9/11 conspiracy theories, anti-vaxxers, chemtrails, reptitlian overlords and the like. Basically, it's a type of narrative. A narrative which is opposite proper journalistic research and the scientific method.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

You & "other scholars"?! LOL!! Halfwit!!!

temet nosce ...

[-] -2 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 5 years ago

Thinking like you do that the world is controlled by reptilian shape shifters part of the global elite NWO, that governments poison us with chemtrails and vaccinations, etc... is not only ludicrous, but it is dangerous since we end up wasting time with theses false problematics.

My disciplined scholarly research on this subject is not only designed to protect humanity from false problematics created by highly flawed conspiracy theory thinking, but it is also designed to help reform conspiracy theorists such as yourself - not for my benefit, but for yours. When you learn to think properly, you will become a better person.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

WTF?!!! How about you show us some evidence of your ..''disciplined scholarly research'', you schtupid ass?!! Look again at your two paragraphs of fatuous, straw-man bunkum & then try to convince me that you're not a schizoid numpty, taking lithium meds! Or forget about that & deal with this without bleating CONspiracy Theory - {a phrase that next to no one else here uses but you clearly are obsessed with} ..

multum in parvo ...

EDIT 1: You need to stop fixating on me, 9/11 or some fukt up b-s egoic notion of ''fame'' or infamy & try to address bw's point that you have ''never put a single piece of scholarly knowledge on this forum in the 4 plus years ..'' 'cause that's NOT a matter of ''opinion'' is it?!!! It is an Empirical Fact!! You're going to be exposed as just another psuedo-''High End Intellectual'' unless you show us some of your self described ''disciplined scholarly research'' on any matter from elsewhere or anything that isn't just Concern Trolling!

Btw, will you please let me know just as soon as you find - ANY evidence of a plane at 'The Pentagram', tho' there's no doubt about the fact that something hit the most surveilled & secure building in the world!! Furthermore, you do know that fires burning to symetrically collapse steel & concrete structures are the explanation for the collapse of 3 buildings in NYC. But if this can happen Global Building Codes are B-S!

No one on here talks about 9/11 as much as u .. in your arrogant insistence that we accept your version & claiming u have conducted"disciplined scholarly research on this subject",u r obliged to show it to us! What happened that day is the Foundational Event of this century but u wish us to accept TPTB's word!!

Maybe u should apply your ''scholarly, high end intellect"to this site http://www.ae911truth.org/ in future, but you have NO Right Whatsoever to insist on "group think" orthodoxy, here on this independent forum.

Have you ever considered why you seem to Never Question The Official Conspiracy Theories of Govts?!!!

ad iudicium?!

EDIT 2: You're defaming me all over this forum it seems-so 3 videos,Total = 8m; NB: Number of viewers!

Those took just a few minutes to find & millions of people have watched them. You love this stuff. I don't.

nosce te ipsum ...

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 5 years ago

It's not that I didn't question the explanation of the government, it's that, unlike you, I question the story of everyone - including teenage conspiracy theorists like Dylan Avery, and nut jobs like Alex Jones.

There is ample evidence that a plane hit the pentagon. People died on that day. Dead bodies were recovered. Plane wreckage was recovered.

You really ought to start thinking straight, and stop trusting goofballs like Alex Jones.

I'm guessing you think it was a hologram that hit the Pentagon, and that all the families of the dead passengers were actors faking it?

Damn nutcase conspiracy theorists who forget to take their meds.

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 5 years ago

Being an ardent 9/11 conspiracy theorist brought you forum fame. I will grant you that. But it was an easy to achieve fame. An empty fame. You should concentrate on 99% issues instead of your weekend fantasies.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

You have never put a single piece of scholarly knowledge on this forum in the 4 plus years that you've been trolling here. Your main interest is forum intrigue. Your life must be very boring.

[-] -1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 5 years ago

That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. if you don't want to read what I write, that is fine. Your right for sure. That is why I have always pushed for the addition of an 'ignore' function on the forum.

Many believe that what I have to contribute is of utmost important. Many scholars are currently fighting against conspiracy theory type thinking which is ruining the world (and caused great harm to Occupy), figuring out ways to create a better symbiosis between the virtual and real worlds (like my bridge to the ground), etc...

I also believe it is of crucial important that we open this forum and get more people involved in the discussion.

I believe in these ideas, I believe in a better future.

If you want a beautiful world, you must follow my ideas.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

How Hillary Stole Nevada Caucus .. possibly / probably !!!


[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Some chatter on internet about possible funny business with Republican caucus, as well. Something about Microsoft programs. Am looking for good article.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Hints of a cheating scandal? OH nossssssssss . . . wait a sec . . it is what they do . . . so to keep tRump from winning . . is it really a bad thing??? Dilemma Dilemma moral & legal Dilemma . . . . . .

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

This one's just a doozey right here Nev:

I don't know whether to laugh or cry tbh!

et veritas vos liberabit ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

We have a problem.

[-] 3 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Alas, elections at every level in the U$A are clearly corrupt and corruptible & here's an extremely useful guide and glossary to this rather sad and sorry subject .. by Libby Watson of the ''Sunlight Foundation''.

e tenebris, lux ....

[-] -2 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

Does that mean you'll Register and Vote?

Or U just want to complain about our populace neglected democracy.


[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Truly pathetic = HRC has no grounds to attack any of Bernie's history/record in politics - SO - in the Wisconsin debate she tries the waters of attacking his relationship with Obama.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

How Hillary Stole Iowa: Voter Fraud Caught On Live Tv

I've not watched the vid yet - But be that as it may - HRC at last reporting from the caucus with all but one precinct having reported (well you know kinda as I guess there was a problem with 90 precincts that were not staffed?) - at the end of the night (wee hours of this morning) the tally showed HRC only had 3 tenths of a 1% lead over Bernie - SO - a statistical tie for all intents and purposes - YET they are claiming a win for HRC = BULLSHIT.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Are you finally starting to see why OWS slams the Dems so much?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

And this is just the start of it all.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

I sent the following advice off to Bernie - as he "is" doing a pretty great job of it right now - BUT IMO he could be doing so much more.

2016 and the need for a political revolution. It is not Just about the presidency!

There still as you put it (just the start) a fair amount of time to really turn up the heat!

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

I think the GOP’s best candidate and shot at the white house is sHillary Rotten Clinton.

That’s right folks — she is NOT a progressive!

@NBCNightlyNews @pbs Missed Major News Coverage 4/19/2016 NY primary = Disenfranchised Voters - Vote Manipulation - Denied Democracy https://twitter.com/DKAtoday/status/722567009750355968

New York's strict voter registration rules https://t.co/Chuucu9cxT

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

{edit} Now HRC & Hubby Slick Willie team up to make PERSONAL attacks on Bernie "who" has always kept to the facts = HRC's flip flopping wealthy financed history.

EDIT-> Wait a sec - Bernie has not yet gone into Slick Willie's and HRC's corp financed history.

Sorry Bernie - BUT - stop being so damn nice already and expose the facts!

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

if the race was not close| the people will not watch

the US lies in the shadowed disgrace of weapons exports and perpetrating wars

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Bernie just got yet another lesson that most of us have known for a long time (and we're half his age mind you)...

Don't bother trying to roll with the duopoly.

Next up is NH, and most likely a Bernie win. After that HC takes SC, and then crushes on super Tuesday.

This is all pretty predictable if you ask me....

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

O, ye of little faith. Bernie Sanders is not that naive. Of course, he knows what he's up against. No matter how aware we are of the establishment machine, it will never cease to amaze us, however, we're FIGHTING BACK! Gonna join us? or sit and whine? Seriously, turbo, this is worth the fight. Put your own personal principles aside and do something to take this country back. It's up to the people. And, in all honesty, the people will not lose no matter what happens. The message can no longer be suppressed.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Im working on a few campaigns for minor parties, putting together some fundraising stuff, nothing major, but making a contribution nevertheless.

But no, I know that the duopoly is a dead end racket, it was designed that way and the people that make its rules arent going to voluntarily change them much less let is slip away over something as simple to control as votes.

How few people have to vote in order to declare the election invalid? How many times does anyone else running get shut out of the debates? How many laws and rules do they have to pass to crush their competition?

Bernie and Trump are both showing that you don't need a ton of money to have an impact, you just need to have some "it" and be a great organizer.

So why the fuck is Bernie doing all of this with the Dems instead of rallying 7k people at a time and telling them its time we REALLY took our country back?

I could smack him upside his head for this nonsense.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

Seriously? You think Bernie could be as effective working in a minor party? He might be purer politically, yes, but he'd be reaching 70 people a day as opposed to 7,000. Bernie made the pragmatic decision to reach as many people as possible and that is what he's doing. If you choose to be on the wrong side of history, that's your choice.

He's educating the nation on the truths that Occupy Wall Street expounded years ago. He's spreading the word and once the people are enlightened they will not be able to go back. The revolution will be in full swing. Sit out if you want to.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Ok, BW you know I like a good debate on organizing.

What is the DNC doing to help him promote his rally's?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

They don't need to do a damn thing. Bernie's army of volunteers is doing it for him. Literally, thousands and thousands of volunteers. I'm actually on a volunteer phone call with Team Bernie as I type this, lol, I kid you not. And there are 500 other people on this conference call with me.

This is a political revolution and we are gonna take back this country together!. When Bernie says that, he means it.

Peace, turbo. I better listen, lol.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Exactly. He doesnt need them for anything, he's had so many fans for being an independent for so long.

So why join the criminals? He would be the perfect person to finally break this corporate stranglehold from the outside in. Instead he's joined em.

I just dont get it.

[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

You are forgetting that most Americans don't think like you. They will only go with a candidate from one of the two major parties. This is how he has been able to get the huge crowds that are following him now. If he ran as an independent or third party candidate he would not have these crowds.

And, he hasn't "joined" them philosophically. In fact, he's calling them out on most issues and using a platform that almost matches Occupy's platform imo.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

People are forgetting that over half the population doesn't vote, and more importantly, that the vast majority of those that put together and were members of OWS don't take voting too seriously either.

At SOME POINT this stranglehold has to be broken, and it is going to take a strong - or a few strong- leaders to do this.

Who would have been better than Sanders? What better time for the left when the only other option up on that stage is a vicious war criminal? This is literally a perfect storm for exposing those cracks, and instead we are all playing along with the DNC, whether we know it or not. I can assure you that TPTB are smarter than the voting populace, its their job to understand mass psychology.

It would create such a huge vacuum that while it may not lead to an immediate political victory, it would be the start.

By the time the election rolls around, the left voters will be so terrified of either Trump or Cruz that they will hold their nose and go with Hillary. Just like they always do, because nothing serious has been created as a possible path forward outside of the duopoly.

Sanders could have been that guy this election to get that rolling. I understand why he is doing what he is doing, but fuck, its just like "here we go again"... I roll with a lot of activist circles and the general consensus is that the Bern has sucked up all the energy and put it all back into the Dem Party.

I'm not looking at this as a Bernie supporter or even as an activist. I'm looking at it from the eyes of TPTB. With faith in the parties at all time lows, would they be happy taking a bit of a beating from one person publicly in order to maintain the control?

[-] 3 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

"By April, it will be all over;" the dog whistle comes, with a pat on the head. Thank you for rounding up the sheep. Here comes the fodder.

Déjà vu! On the road to Emerald City we go!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''The IMF Changes its Rules to Isolate China and Russia'' by Dr. Michael Hudson - [with Bonnie Faulkner from her great 'KPFA' radio show from SF/CA,''Guns & Butter'' = Audio + an Article by MH]

Someone tries to pull back the dirty curtain - exposing the faux-wizards!!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

DNC rolls back ban on contributions from federal lobbyists:


Hmmm. Desperate much?! Debbie Wasserman Shultz is as desperate as ever and gee, will it work? Will it ensure a Hillary victory or will it BACKFIRE!? I think the latter, though I admit I may be naive. But, I do know that the people, the millions of people, are sick and tired of these shenanigans.

Another dirty curtain to pull back....

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

HRC, DWS & the DNC are beginning to get VERY Nervous - and rightly so! The "dirty curtain'' is getting ever dirtier yet paradoxically - ever more transparent!! Win or lose - Bernie's 99% Message Is Out Now!!!

per aspera ad astra ...

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Honestly, I don't think they are getting nervous as all. Super Tuesday will take of all of it, its why it's there. Its a whirlwind of nonsense, no one can keep track of it.

What a great story this is going to make. They have effectively turned Hillary into the underdog from the front runner. First woman president has to fight back in the primaries (I can hear her barking that during the general already) and then goes on to become the first woman president of the United States of America!

I don't pay too much attention to the polls and the initial votes in the primaries. Its about what makes the best story, what will get the people to believe in the system the most (the average people, not the politically active 20% that participate this early). All of this stuff is easily controlled by the media.

The people want a bread and circus so they get one. Only now there is no bread lol.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

And with a Hip, Hop and A Hippety Hop!

U know I dig Bernie, & I Just Can't Stop!

sHitlary rants more like the rancid GOP;

But I do get that it could - All Be A Flop!

Longer reply2follow probably. L8r homie.Njoy a ^Bernie-Rap^ ;-)

dis latin be spittin' ...

EDIT: Actually no ''Longer reply2follow'' is necessary, as I did one already on this very thread, so as no further comments are now possible here, as we have maxed out the 15 on this sub-thread, then please would u (if - you want) reply to me here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-hillary-stole-iowa-voter-fraud-caught-on-live-/#comment-1069146 .. as my entire rational for pushing Bernie is summed up right there. I do get what you say above (mostly) but my words in my longer reply (re.my link) still very much apply.

pax ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

A great business advice is applicable: "Sie können nur einen großen Fisch im trüben Wasser fangen." Super-delegates, lobbyist fundings, non-disclosures, special debate timings and frequencies, etc. all provide the murkiness to the rigged process. I am actually looking forward to an alien cow pie in the sky for all, with a close encounter of the music of the spheres.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

Nevada is TIED, Sanders 45, Clinton 45:


The latest poll above gives the establishment reason to be nervous, hence their desperate actions all over the place, lol.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''Meet the lobbyists, donors and bundlers behind Hillary’s $157 million juggernaut'':

You are right re.''desperate actions'' and schadenfreude is very hard to resist, lol!

omnia causa fiunt ...

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

The wizard will be poking many needles through the head of our scarecrow to give them a very sharp mind.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

The devolution of the post-WWII international financial order of the IMF and World Bank is inevitable as the Rise of China and the Prowl of Russia continue.

IMF tried to become more inclusive of China to stop the calving of the Glacier but to no avail (Zimbabwe's pledge to hold renminbi as reserve is a positive step but it sounds almost like a joke considering the economic position of Zimbabwe). Repayments of international loans will be hampered, essentially returning the world slowly to the financial (non-)discipline of the intra-World-Wars period. That was an UGLY period where countries could repudiate their debts and everyone had to resort to military force eventually to settle the scores.

In my opinion, a World-War-II sequel with modern weaponry is nowhere as appetizing as fried calamari with tomato sauce. I would much prefer staring into the eyes of a sautéed monkfish than the barrels of modern weapons.

The flight to safety in Japan seems to be rather panicky already: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/nikkei-sharply-down-on-banking-energy-woes-2016-02-08?link=TDheadline_2

Negative interest rates can ricochet. Switzerland had introduced it to ding the banks holding reserves at Swiss National Bank but the banks were reluctant to pass the negative interest rates on to their depositors. Instead, the banks tried to make up the losses on their borrowers, increasing interest rates on mortgage loans, for example. This was the OPPOSITE of the intention to motivate banks to loan out more credit to stimulate the economy. Perhaps the Fed saw that as a reason to try to avoid negative interest rates so it is jacking up interest rates before the recession arrives. Bail-ins can work much better than negative interest rates because they would be SUDDEN after the failure of a financial institution. There is NO (legal) capital flight possible if insolvency has occurred. However, if not used sparingly, bail-ins can undermine confidence and trigger capital flights.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Oh my grapes!!! I'll need wine to decode you!! However I STRONGLY suggest that u watch - ''The Keiser Report'' - as often as you can & I believe that as Deutsche Bank gets ready for Kaputalismus - all of the old paradigms re ''Money; Capital; Liquidity; Price; Value; Market-Making AND Interest, are up for a fall!

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

He simply wouldn't have the following he has if he went third party. And, he could actually have an immediate political victory. That is all that matters to me. He has the momentum right now to beat Clinton.

If a mother takes her newborn baby to the doctor for its first checkup and immunizations and all that and the doctor is rude to her and so due to her pride she leaves and there is no other doctor because she's in a remote area, what has she done? She left her baby vulnerable.

It's called not cutting off your nose to spite your face. Pride and anger and grudges only get in your way. The American people deserve more than that. Bernie is trying to give it to them.

You make a lot of good points and I agree with you on many of them but I think, through wisdom, it is always good to do what is best for the most people. A third party run right now would not have the impact that he is having. The same people who aren't voting in droves are just simply not going to listen to third party candidates either. And, Sanders, who is somewhat known, isn't that well known throughout the country.

The most important thing here is the spreading of the message. TPTB cannot stop the spreading of the message and I always think that that is more important than tactics because once the mindset changes TPTB will no longer be able to mind manage the American people.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

How much does the message have to spread before the people can actually have a party that represents them?

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

Bernie 42, Clinton 44, National Poll (2/5/16) Quinnipiacl:


It has to spread a lot and it is. The parties become irrelevant when it becomes known that the American people have demands that they won't back down fighting for. In the end, they need the Republicans to represent them as well, don't they? They need to tell the idiots in Congress to fuck off and do what is best for the people not corporations and the wealthy, and that is what Bernie Sanders is leading the American people to do. No more apathy, no more silence. Make demands.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''HRC the de facto GOP POTUS'' (Great 21m mini-Doc):

verb. sat sap. ...

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

"Release the Transcripts!" LOL. Or #ReleaseTheTranscripts as the twitter hashtag went. These are the transcripts of the Goldman Sachs speeches that Hillary Clinton made to Goldman Sachs, of course for which she was dearly paid. Probably won't be released but Politico has made this available:

"What Clinton said in her paid speeches. Recalled one attendee: 'She sounded more like a Goldman Sachs managing director.'"


Lots of truths in the video you posted. Powerful stuff and once the truth is out there is no going back. There is no more hiding behind fear mongering and money once the truth is out. The people want and deserve much more than that.


I hope people take the time to learn the truth about Clinton.

P.S. What happened to Dennis Kucinich? How come we never hear from him anymore? And, golly, the staring Hillary at Dennis Gravel in that debate is just something else that everyone should see. Goodness.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Re. Dennis Kucinich - that's a good question. He has a limited exposure as (Lame) Fux Spews' ''token liberal'' but bar that ... I know not, wtf he's up to. Thanx for that link re. sHillary & Goldman Sucks & fyi:

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Are you suggesting that people would not support Bernie if he ran as a minor party? That all of his supporters would bail on him and run to Hillary?

Honestly, if he ran to break the duopoly, his crowds would probably be about the same, because he would motivate so many more people (50% dont vote because they are sick of the D/R nonsense) it would more than make up for the ones that are Dem loyalists, like some here.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

National Poll: Sanders closing in on Clinton:


Not sure if this reply is to me turbo, because I can't see all my boxes, sadly, I haven't kept up with them. But, I'd say, yes, if he went third party, Americans would not be behind him in the numbers that they are today. Is America ready for a third party? Maybe, but I'm not sure, I don't think so. Americans tend to think democracy is choosing between 2 choices like a child deciding between a hot dog and a hamburger.

We really need to open up our republic to being a real democracy, I agree with you completely. But, I'm not sure that at this moment in history, Sanders would have the following he has if he were running as a third party candidate, I tend to think not. I get what you are saying about the folks who still won't vote replacing the Dem loyalists, though. That is a valid point because I think a lot of people are still sitting out. But, hey, let's hope for the best and not be cynical. I don't think Sanders went into this thinking he's gonna become the next poster boy for the Democratic Party. I think he's still authentic Bernie.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

Americans have overwhelmingly wanted more choices:


If Bernie had led this, we would be well on our way towards breaking free of the sociopaths. Same goes for Ron Paul on the right when he last ran.

I think we have to remember that Bernie or Ron attempting to destroy the party they roll with would mean that they are actually backstabbing a lot of friends they have made over the years, potentially people who have gotten them out of some very hot water over the years. People they have become friends with. They are only human, after all.

I mean, lets face it, if its not happening now, when will it? SHTF moments are usually completely reactive and when the lunatics shine brightest, so that isn't it. Perhaps a really bad recession crashes in before the election this summer? Most of the filing deadlines close in May, so thats too late.

Sincerely, just another frustrated American lol

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

I still think Bernie Sanders is laying the groundwork for the left to continue to rise up, perhaps even preparing us better to set up that third party that we've always dreamed of. I understand your frustrations, though.

[-] 1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 5 years ago

Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

The point of Occupy is that we can't count on others, we must act ourselves. We don't wait for politicians. There's an important reason for that principle.

Bernie Sanders is great, but let's not forget Occupy and the major principles of the movement.

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

From my point of view which resembles Turbo's (I think), Sanders has a chance to erase the memory of the ignoble political expediency that he has practiced, and he has a once in a lifetime opportunity to save his legacy, and to save our country. Whether he rises up, and puts the interests of the people ahead of the Democratic Party and his peers remains to be seen. It can't be both...

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

Actually, I think Sanders made an expedient political calculation based on what happened to Nader with media shut down, few votes, etc., basically zero chance of winning. Also, to say that "people who preach integrity usually don't have it'' is subjective and in Sanders' case, thinking of what he's been doing for 50 years shows that he's been doing just what his conscience dictated. Is he perfect, no! No one is. "Integrity'' is what other people have called his behavior and to a large degree, rightly so.

The only reason that the stars may be aligned for Sanders is because of how he decided to proceed. Certainly taking on the entire establishment is not having the stars aligned. Fighting MSM, GOP, Clintons, Democratic Party, Wall Street, Big Pharma, Insurance companies, MIC Corporations, Prison Corporations, Oligarchs, the whole lot of them, surely that's not stars aligned, that's opportunity taken and hard work and personal self-sacrifice.

I feel indebted to this man for how he has put himself out there. His platform is against Oligarchy. It is the Occupy Wall Street platform almost exactly. He is pro 99% and democracy. It is economic, social and political, in a very broad sense. It is not about the Democratic Party. He is waging a revolution that is inspiring millions and they are out of the cave and into the light and they are not going to forget.

I think it is wrong to say that he should have run third party when if he did that no one would be hearing what he is saying. This time around, the lefty isn't some "loon" from a third party and the establishment is finding Bernie Sanders very tough to fight. He is doing an amazing job.

For the past 40 years Americans have been paid lip service. Bernie is putting their interests front and center. This is about a new future for this country. We can save it if we can get the people to wake up and he's doing that better than anyone ever has.

I find solace in Kshama Sawant's response to the SOTU:


I think she hits all the points perfectly. And, I do love these discussions. These are important times. Solidarity always. (And, this is in response to your response below.)

[-] 1 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 5 years ago

Also, and this is important, and I love this about Sanders, he is not into stupid 9/11 conspiracy theories. There is a video of him on youtube bashing a truthard. Gold.

Great guy. Left leaning and scientific rational minded. Just the way I like 'em.

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

We don't disagree for the most part on all the good that Sanders has done to promote our struggle, with the major exception being, him refusing to speak out loudly against the MIC, in particular the linking of the cost of, and the immorality of our perpetual war agenda. Barring a miracle though in which Sanders defeats Hillary, now what?

Are you suggesting that we answer Sanders inevitable call for "unity" amongst progressives, and join in with the Democratic Party (hopefully not) in the hopes of us trying to overwhelm them, to coopt them into Occupy. Dean and Kucinich made that appeal. It didn't work then, and it won't work now.

Bernie Sanders, Your Time's Up


You're right, most of what Sanders says ".. is the Occupy Wall Street platform..." The irony is, his platform is very similar to the Democratic dude who was running for President in 2008, and that's before Occupy came into existence.

Sadly due to the corrupt Democratic party and the obstacles that they have put up, we should have some answers soon.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

No way is Sanders comparable to Obama. No one knew anything in depth about who Obama was. We've known Sanders for years. Obama was the establishment candidate. Sanders is not.

You could be helping Sanders to win instead of being all negative, but your choice. Of course that socialist revolution will be happening soon...

[-] 2 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

The success of our revolution does not hinge on whether we are successfully sheepdogged back into the toxic Democratic Party (in fact, just the opposite is true), nor is my lack of support of Sanders running as a Democrat indicative of me "being all negative," but I do find it funny that you think that..

Bernie has done a super job to date, win or lose. And if indeed he does lose, and then comes out with a... 'Kumbaya... we all gotta unite speech' under the toxic Democratic banner, will you be supporting him then too?

From my point of view, Sanders will have an ideal, once in a life-time opportunity to form alliances with good people like Hedges, Sawant and Jill Stein. He will have the support of people who witnessed, perhaps for the first time how corrupt the political establishment is, and I think he will have the backing of the overwhelming majority of people in Occupy, including mine!

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

Goldman-Sachs bought Obama, the articulate mulatto. It delivered the dope for Wall Street. Sanders has a very long fringe record going back decades so he is less capable of being the Trojan Horse that Obama has been. I say the shady people have been duped by the skin color of the mulatto. It takes one to fake one.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23382) 5 years ago

I don't think Bernie Sanders' legacy is in question at all. I really do not think he is doing what he is doing for his own aggradizement. Like many revolutionaries, he is doing what he thinks is best for the people. Agree with him or not, but a lot more people are hearing the platform of taking on the oligarchs and Wall Street than would ever have been the case had he run third party.

[-] 3 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

From my life experiences, let me start by saying that I think that people who preach integrity usually don't have it. I also believe that we are all hypocrites in one way or another. Finally though, I believe that everyone is capable of redemption.

Much to Sanders' and his supporters' (like you!) credit he has helped lead the way causing a groundswell of support. And he has done so, not just in showcasing the inequities in our society, but also in bringing out the best in human nature, just the opposite of the neoliberal World that has been forced upon us. Hence, I'm up for giving Sanders a pass on his political record (for now), and for all the incongruities in it that have cost countless innocent lives.

The stars are aligned for Sanders, and IF this is the point in his life which he truly chooses the people's interests over the oligarchs'..... , he will abandon the Democratic party, and not profess his support for the winner of the primaries because he does not want to be a "spoiler." To conflate a political revolution with working within the confines of the Democratic Party, led by HILLARY is absolutely ludicrous!

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

he's not addressing the crooked foundation of the money system nor challenging those with deep pockets

merely begging the money holders to allow the government to tax some of the vast dark reserves to serve the population

he assumes those that have "the Money" started with a legitimate right to it

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

he's been in politics 40 years

[-] 3 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

It takes one to know one. Sanders has not changed his stances. As long as he keeps his targets close to his heart and in his sight, his long political experience will be a great asset. Only birds of the ilk can flock together and bicker over the agenda for real.

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

oh there's no compromises every candidate chants isis must be defeated

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

IS is not high up on my priority list, really. I don't mind everyone hopping onto Big Daddy's lap screaming ISIS, ISIS, ISIS! Over-vigilance is still better than nonchalance and a big surprise. I had said before that IS would move to Libya and that has come true.

IS was not quite the JV team that geoduck said it was because it could recruit from the Umma which numbers in the billions across multiple continents. It therefore has potential global reach. It also has based itself in oil-rich areas with many opportunistic consumers of oil nearby. When it comes to oil, IS enemy's aircraft may be powered by IS oil and IS weapons may be bought with that oil proceed. Isn't it interesting?

Members of the U.S. populace kill each other far more than IS by texting, cell-phone calling while driving distractedly. Let's keep our perspectives. Rush, rush, drunk, drunk, bump, bump, puff, puff, even yum, yum, sweet, sweet, shake, shake, cheese, cheese, kill far more of us than IS ever did. It's still necessary to keep an eye on IS for the long term, though.

The IS talks by the candidates were just politicking to gain favor with the frightened populace, mostly ridiculous but hey, I crawled under the bed to kill the MONSTER lurking under the child's bed and it worked!

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

sure, we know isis is war makers excuse

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

I sometimes wonder if Alfred Hitchcock had a hand in the creation of this pscho genre in which the imagination could run wild with terror. IS attacked freedom of expression, a universal human right so it suffered repercussions. No bad deeds shall go unpunished, regardless of Allah, Jehovah, Elohim, Buddha, etc.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 5 years ago

punishment is no good at all

[-] 2 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

That's why we have as backup "Peace through Guns": http://news.yahoo.com/special-report-why-obama-other-gun-control-advocates-153042870--sector.html

Additionally, the gun and ammunition industries will certainly contribute to meeting the export targets set by geoduck and creating jobs, jobs, jobs! The U.S. has the capacity to facilitate the exporting of Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedies to the world. Exporting Sandy Hooks may work better than punishment. Peace through the Baptisms of Blood.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

The DNC is doing very little ''to help him promote his'' rallies! Re. - ''Bernie and Trump are both showing that you don't need a ton of money to have an impact ...'' - ?!! How Exactly - Is Trump Showing That?!!!

Also - ''Not surprisingly, it was Sanders who offered the most full-throated support of the movement. At the Campaign for America’s Future “Take Back America” conference,he declared: “We have the crooks on Wall Street - and I use that word advisedly—don’t misquote me, the word is ‘crooks’—whose greed, whose recklessness, whose illegal behavior, caused this terrible recession with so much suffering. We believe in this country; we love this country - and we will be damned if we are going to see a handful of robber barons control the future of this country.”

And ''Remarkably considering the caution of so many elected officials with regard to the protests,Bernie Sanders actually called for a toughening of the movement’s anti–Wall Street message. “I applaud those protesters who are out there, who are focusing attention on Wall Street, but what we’ve got to do is put meat on that bone”he said.“We’ve got to make demands on Wall Street [&] break those institutions up.”

ad iudicium ...

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 5 years ago

The DNC is doing very little ''to help him promote his'' rallies!

I realize this bro, thats why I asked it. You guys are basically in agreement with me that he doesnt need the DNC to put together this movement at all.

So why join em if they are of no help and he doesnt need them?

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

I say ''Trojan Horse'' the DNC-mthrfkrs!!! They wanted Bernie to liven up, line up & then for HRC to hoover up - the non-voting and - the disillusioned, callously betrayed and angry Left/Progressives/Liberals in the U$A - but they did NOT count on the huge level of support he is now getting for sure!! So IF, they finagle Sanders out in April .. he hopefully goes Independent/Green with his Now HUGE Base and exposes the DNC and HRC for the Conservative, Right Wing, Wall St fellating bastards - that they really actually are!

I was and am still, very curious why the DNC allowed him to run but I can speculate as to their reasons. I'm advised that Bernie running as a PotUS candidate for The Democraps, isn't actually a DNC decision if he can secure a certain level of support. This he clearly did and his support is now snowballing - such that Bernie could actually win the whole shooting match ... much to Wall St's deep anxiety and chagrin:

But I also can see Sanders' point, given what happened to Nader. How much TV coverage would he get for his message IF he were an Independent or Green? Corporate MSM ONLY wants, knows and covers The Dirty Duopoly & TV is sadly still THE main news source for most folk & especially, for the over 50s.

Now at least A Whole Lot Of Very Obvious 99%/OWS memes, ideas & arguments, are getting aired on ABCNNBCBS and even on Lame Fux News, ffs! You get me?!! There's always been ''a lot of agreement'' with your pro-99% positions turbohc but I can't not support Bernie Sanders given the Massive Overlap of his program with OWS platform & I have not been with OWS for 4.5 years to just sit on my hands now!!!

As you know, I don't a flying fck about HRC, the DNC or Democrap-Pols on The Hill! I detest Repugnant Pols like the 0.01% Koch-head bought & paid, ''Caucus Room Conspiring'' scum that they are!! My sole focus and motivation is The 99% right now; first to April & then hopefully to November but then beyond!!!

I could say/type a whole lot more to you but to look into my mind for meaning and motivation - if not for strategy and tactics; please may I ask you for just under 15m of your time, so that you can watch this:

I end by quoting Robert Reich: ''In my view Hillary Clinton's the most qualified candidate for the political system we now have. But Bernie Sanders is the most qualified candidate to create the political system we should have, because he's leading a political movement for change.'' So dare to dream turbo, do the math and ask who else now has -- ''the incredible groundswell of support ...'' [KS] but Bernie Sanders?!

Solidarity et per ardua ad astra ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

''Missing precinct scrambles to report Sanders won'' by Jennifer Jacobs:

An almost unbelievable read! Can you believe Imperial US/MIC, wants to Export Democracy around the rest of the world?!!! More like demoCRAZY deMOCKERYcy!! I had better watch your video now Nev, lol!

e tenebris lux ...

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Watched the vid! Holy Shit!! WTF?!!! +

6 Precincts - were decided by Coin Toss!!!


[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

This is just the start, so we can see how this election season is going to go.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

It's going to have to be ... EYES ON + Note + Record - every fkn thing - from now on in!!!


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago

Bernie Sanders' Superdelegate Plan Puts His Progressive Base In …

Query: Are there enough democrats in delegate positions who are not willing to see a GOP win?

As sHillary is basically a GOPer running as a dem. If Bernie's supporters make it clear that they WILL NOT vote for HRC (sHillary Rotten Clinton) as the dem offering for president. Will the delegates jump to support Bernie rather than lose to tRump or Ted Crud or "I won't run Ayn Ryan"?

Query: Would this be the only way to get support for the people into office?

A game of chicken - would the DNC flinch or commit to a loss by sticking with HRC?

The primary in NY denying voters supporting Bernie because they did not declare as dem by last October = nothing less than vote manipulation.


@SenSanders @elizabethforma #DNC

I will NOT vote 4 HRC - basically a GOP candidate running as a dem. http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-hillary-stole-iowa-voter-fraud-caught-on-live-/#comment-1070761 … Support Bernie


[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

On a brighter note: Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia has died at 79

tweet = Perhaps a replacement will b 4 t People rather than corp(se)oRATions!

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

Scalia - Dead?!!! NOT without a stake driven through his already long dead heart - I'd suggest!! I really have NOTHING good to say about him & it couldn't have happened to a nicer chap .. NOT - but now it will clearly add spice to the POTUS race & it will shed light on Scalia's truly terrible legacy + Twinkle!

fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

A "brighter note" would have been if Scalia had redeemed himself, not his death.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Redeemed himself? Not bloody likely. The brighter note is that there is now an opportunity to replace him with someone who will be for the people - and put the corp(se)oRATs in the minority.

[-] 1 points by Viking (417) 5 years ago

Expressing glee in the death of a person, and seeing his demise as an opportunity to have him replaced on the bench with someone with more humanity are different issues.

[-] 0 points by fionachuckles (-375) from Fairview, NJ 5 years ago

❥❥❥ Sounds poetic.

[-] 1 points by WSmith (2698) from Cornelius, OR 5 years ago

The SIX TOSSES of mystery!!

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Check this one out as it is a priceless recommendation for HRC........... oh no . . . wait . . . it isn't.............. my bad :) https://t.co/lQCUUovR2i

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

She has told a lot of lies.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

Yeah she has = anything and every thing to garner a vote - STILL - she is just an amateur as compared to mittens the liar that lies about his lies that he just made.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

She mistressed triangulation in political geometry, together with hubbie. "We are NOT in Kansas, anymore. We are in Arkansas!"

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 5 years ago

In the movie "Jurassic Park," the comment about the lawyer sitting on the toilet who offered the ultimate sacrifice for all of our children was, "When you gotta go you gotta go."

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago
[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

This was a win for Bernie.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 5 years ago

{ edit } Absolutely - the caucus may have been a tie - but it sure points to Bernie as having real support - IMO it also points out the fact that HRC did as well as she did because she hijacked Bernie's campaign as being her own - once the fact gets hammered home to the larger public that Her campaign is just lip service I think that we will see Bernie surge.

edit -> Hillary Clinton's Disingenuous Opposition to Real Health Care Reform

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

More on election fraud----


[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

So it appears that the Clinton campaign in Iowa prefers to register people who'll vote for HRC - contrary to Iowa law itself, is the gist of your video! What's next?!! Gerrymandering Statistical Improbabilities?!!!

Maybe the only remedy for this and other GOP machinations to keep folk from voting is to automatically have registration for All Citizens, to defy shit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPsl_TuFdes

fiat justitia ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Perhaps, Obozo will just stay.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

LOL! But that'd take a Coup d'Etat!! Oh - hang on ... maybe .. we - lol!!! Anyway - here's a doozey:

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Good links. Ignorance Weaponized.

[-] 4 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''Has Clinton Actually Won Anything? The Theft of Election 2016!''

fiat lux et justitia ...

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (5843) 4 years ago

Good question. Election crime is an act of Treason.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''New York’s Primary Is a Total Disaster'' - Amanda Girard:

I recommend this & the link in my previous reply to you and all here, and finally:

respice; adspice; prospice ...

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 5 years ago

Coup has already happened. Next, Big False Flag----->Martial Law----->Brutal Dictator.

[-] 2 points by ImNotMe (1488) 5 years ago

But in the world where The Light still shines ...

I don't advocate violent revolution but JFK said that'd be inevitable if Non Violent Rev is made impossible!

et veritas vos liberabit ...