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Forum Post: How corporations and fundies, brainwash your kids.

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 16, 2012, 12:37 p.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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This conspiracy is no longer a theory, so I guess it's OK to post it.

It's not enough to just brainwash adults, now they want they want to get to your children too.

It would appear that lying is fundamental to conservatism.

Read 'em and know the lies.

http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/the-green-dragon-slayers-how-the-religious-right-and-the-corporate-right-are-joining-fo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/shawn-lawrence-otto/heartland-institute-leaked-documents_b_1278059.html?ref=science

Not to be outdone, the religious fanatics want in on the action too, and here I thought they were against lying.

http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/the-green-dragon-slayers-how-the-religious-right-and-the-corporate-right-are-joining-fo

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[-] 4 points by beautifulworld (19203) 2 years ago

Mother earth IS God, shooz. Someday these folks will figure this out and they'll be sorry.

[-] 5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It will be a hard lesson for them to learn.

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (19203) 2 years ago

Notice we've been voted down for saying so. What's up with people?

[-] 5 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Some folks are dedicated to suppressing the truth, but you and I can stand by our rep.

"Conservatives" in particular, refuse to believe they are wrong about anything at all.

Now that's brainwashed.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (19203) 2 years ago

Their idea of God is way up in the sky. Like their heads.

[-] 2 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

Read my reply to shooz.

My Ideas on God keeps my eyes wide open, for within the judeo-christian tradition is an inherent search for truth and only a hatred for falsity and hypocrisy.

And when those with out such faith also search for truth, and try to dispel hypocrisy, then we are natural allies and not enemies.

For also when the atheist seeks to right injustice wherever it's found, then he is working for the common good, and people of faith can help as well.

It's about finding common cause if we are to change things.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (19203) 2 years ago

That is a nice sentiment, thank you. To be fair, I was talking about the people referred to in the articles shooz linked to, not people such as yourself. I am aware of the difference.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

OK, but I kind of thought they were buried elsewhere...........LOL.

I was hoping this might help them find the light of day.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (19203) 2 years ago

LOL!

[-] 0 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

The brainwashing goes full circle.

Conservatives, especially of those of the judea /christian tradition have a high degree of respect for Gods green planet, and seek to help the poorer in society.

We live, work, and pray for the benefit of others. When someone loves christ, he can only express that love by love for his fellow man, and love for the rest of creation.

Too many people believe that every day conservatives are just like those that claim to be conservative on TV, media, and politics. Even they believe it too. But this couldn't be further from the truth

And, yes, it's from well controlled brainwashing on both sides

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I just produced facts, not brainwashing.

Perhaps "conservatives" should stop supporting the (R)s that promote against their beliefs. Their support for those (R)s kind of demonstrates that they are the ones brainwashed.

I went to Catholic school, so I do know a bit about dogmatic brainwashing, in a religious sense.

[-] 2 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

I'm not saying your trying to brainwash, just that you, too, are the victim of it.

The bible calls for social justice, respect for the environment, and helping the weaker in society.

But somehow the right and left have convinced everyone that the Bible supports concentration of wealth, environmental degradation, and survival of the fittest. When these things are anathema to it.

We are natural allies, though those in power would have you believe otherwise.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Take a look at the green dragon link, to help you understand how religion is being highjacked by the "conservatives".

Consider that this breaking story is being ignored by the MSM.

That wasn't so for the debunked E mail conspiracy, which had major coverage.

[-] 3 points by debndan (1145) 2 years ago

oh no, I'm not disagreeing with you on that point, christians ARE being brainwashed by the right, and the left is being brainwashed about those christians.

It's a hijacking by shiite republicans

[-] 3 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

I would agree; I read a piece in the Occupy Boston newspaper (which is somehow still being published) about the group's strong relationship (and that of local affiliates in Cambridge and Somerville) with local churches, and an editorial on the possibility of the rise of the Christian left to counter the current religious right. I may be an atheist, but I would be proud to work alongside a Christian organization willing to break away from the current Republican Party and try to fix this country.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Thanks, I respect your religious beliefs. That's why I never get into those arguments.

Let There Be More Light!!!

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

The left has done no such thing. It is the left largely BECAUSE it promotes equity in wealth (that's why we're labelled "communists") taking care of the disenfranchised, and environmental laws. Don't conflate us with the right. It's like confusing the prosecution with the defense.

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

you consider the planet to be god?

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (19203) 2 years ago

All living things are god.

[-] -1 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

"All living things are god", by that do mean that they were created by god or each living thing is a god?

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (19203) 2 years ago

God is all living things. That's what I believe. You don't have to agree. Religion is personal, don't you think?

[-] 0 points by B76RT (-357) 2 years ago

Yes,religion is personal. The constitution ( 1st amendment) guarantees your right to believe however you want to .

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Thanks for the links, shooz. They are very informative.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Epa added a bunch too...........:)

Is there no end to the (R)epelican't and libe(R)tarian malfeasance??

ZD would be proud.............................:)

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I think he would. At the very least he would say he was...:)

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

If its pro Dem (pro two party tyranny) Zenny would be VERY proud. He loves the status quo.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Wrong. I think he liked the fifties better. You know, when the top marginal tax rate was up around 90%. In his own way Zenny's very conservative.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

If you think anyone paid anywhere close to that.....

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

OK- get ready for a new word LEMMINIGISM
Consider all of the fundamentalists in Judaism, Christianity, Islam
From birth, they are all brainwashed to believe authority - the authority of a book!
Ultimately, from the brainwashers, its the same as the sexual urge to reproduce -
make as many of ME as possible.
On another level, if I surround myself with MEs, I am safer from the OTHERS
From the point of view of the brainwashed, it is so much easier to understand that you should not steal because you will go to hell when you die, than it is to understand that you should not steal because it is WRONG.
The religons' lemmingism naturally mutates into
political lemmingism to believe, without reason, without thinking -
the lies of politicians
just a few

a fetus is a person
global warming is a fraud
dont tax the rich because you might become one
clean coal
abortion is murder


LEMMINIGISM is the multi-generational all encompassing life philosophy that the world will be better if everyone is exactly like me

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I don't think I could stand a room full of me......................:)

I guess I'm the product of an unwashed brain, that's suffering from an education.

I hope there's no cure.

This still hasn't hit the MSM................The conspiracy from the OP, I mean.

I believe this year will go down as the warmest winter on record, at least around here.

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

If you cant stand a "room full of me" - don't visit Imelda's closet

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

No problem, I don't even like shoes much......................:)

[-] 2 points by GreedKills (1119) 2 years ago

Reminds me of a clip from the documentary The Corporation, brainwashing children is a tradition among those lacking morals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMDPql6rweo

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

When you begin to understand how well it works, and what it can be used for, "Multi-Pronged Marketing/PR", is perhaps, THE force to be reckoned with, as it can be applied, even before you're born.

Care for a little more BPA with that, sir??

I can't say that they are doing all these kinds of things on purpose, but I find it hard not believing they wouldn't take advantage of it.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Thanks for this. I got through the fabreze part and will finish later.

That's just what they can do with common advertizing.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

A few more bits. Follow the money:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/24/tea-party-climate-change-deniers

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/listorganizations.php

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7538934/Oil-conglomerate-secretly-funds-climate-change-deniers.html

http://legacy.library.ucsf.edu/tid/wjh13f00/pdf;jsessionid=A5C20B09CC6B3E4EE4596C755426D686.tobacco03
(This is from the same firm hired by CATO and Exxon to use the same strategy exposed here regarding tobacco.)

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Accu-Weather%27s_science_for_hire

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Exxon-Funded_Skeptics

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=TechCentralStation

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Competitive_Enterprise_Institute

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Global_Climate_Coalition

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=The_Advancement_of_Sound_Science_Coalition

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/thinktanks-take-oil-money-and-use-it-to-fund-climate-deniers-1891747.html

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/20/pr_executive_james_hoggan_on_james#

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/15/science/14cnd-climate.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/denialmachine/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/sep/20/oilandpetrol.business

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jan/27/environment.science

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/feb/02/frontpagenews.climatechange

There's no denying the deniers are paid to deny.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

[ title ] (link to title)

eliminate the space between the ] ( and that will create a titled link

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The real conspiracy widens.

It's mostly just a ruse for them to refuse accountability, and responsibility.

Most are libe(R)tarian at heart too, and I thought they were all about responsibility.

They lie worse than the rest.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

MOst are Lbe(R)tardian not simply at heart, but by declaration.

Also, keep in mind that I only spent a few minutes finding these. I have LOTS more.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Not surprising that they have ignored this thread so far.

[-] 4 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Honestly, I just wish they were banned altogether. I think the best thing OWS could do as a movement is to get all the Libe(R)tardians together, buy an island for them, and let them try their utopia there, instead of bothering the rest of us here. All that free market justification for corporate power would vanish overnight and democracy would be restored.

And little by little, they would starve each other to death as their free market works its sick Darwinian way out. At the end, we could simply arrest the last, lone person standing for murder and take the island back. It would cost nothing in the long run, other than having to restore the environmental degradation to the island caused by all those private property owners doing whatever the fuck they wanted without regard for the common good.

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I've been urging them to go ahead and try their Galts gulch solution.

In the end they are chicken shit. They would much rather whine incessantly, about how they are the only ones who know anything at all about the constitution..

[-] 3 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Of course they're chicken shit. That's why so many have guns for protection. (And they want no regulation of it, since that usually means the mentally ill are barred from having them.) Somewhere inside, they must realize how much they inspire others to just want to bitch-slap them.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Thanks for that..........:)

We learn more about it all the time.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Since it's not just CO2 that's the problem, more information could blunt these well funded, brainwashing efforts.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=nitrogen-pollution-likely-increase-climate-change

[-] 1 points by luminol (2) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Your correct about this 100% but don't think for a minute that conservatives are the only ones who lie. People are people and we all lie it doesn't matter if your this or that. I do think Republicans lie more and with much more serious consequences though.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

The closest this has got to the MSM is Scientific American.

How fast did the E mail hoax spread? Some still don't know it was de- bunked.

So much for the illusion of the liberal press.

C'mon, these corporatist's want to use marketing skills to push a false agenda in classrooms.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'm so sorry, I missed one. Scientific American, just to make it official.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=leaked-conservative-group

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Aren't we all brainwashed but don't realize it? We only see the truth from the liberal or conservative or some other point of view. If you were buying a used car wouldn't you examine it from every point of view, inside and out? Who would buy a car and only look at it's most pleasant side and say they know the truth about it? Only a fool would. And that is what those labeled liberals and conservatives do daily. Make a 3 dimensional living idea into a flat sheet, frozen in time, with just two possible points of view, neither adequate to reveal the truth. Conservative and Liberal. I despise them both! Truth can only be seen from every angle at every point in time.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I see the truth from a forward point of view, so I really don't understand what you are saying, nor does it have a thing to do with the OP.

If you spend too much time looking right to left, you will run your face into a wall.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

View forward but always from many different locations, not just the liberal or conservative, but like a scientist studying an organism. He is only interested in the truth that is revealed. Not by what points of view were used to obtain it.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Whichever way I look, I see the warmest winter of my life.

The "right" wants me to deny what I see, and I find that unacceptable.

They do that a lot, on many subjects.

Looking forward, I don't find the "left" trying to do that to me. Just the "right".

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Ten feet directly in front of you there is an egg. You see it as both round and sharp. Directly to the right of the egg is a man who describes the egg as more sharp than round. The other man directly to the left describes the egg as more round than sharp. They both see the truth, but not totally. It is up to you to examine the egg from every angle, not blindly accept eithers biased point of view.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Um.......are you tripping? You're seeing some weird eggs.

----------And I'd Rather Have a Chicken Than Eggs---------

---------"Martin Mull"-----

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Wish you will reread and understand the egg analogy. If a person does not have a logical method to determine truth, he will never know it, and without that anchor of logic, be swept away with each passing wave of lies

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Here's the thing. I am now well aware of Multi-Pronged Marketing/PR and how it is used. I don't need an egg analogy to understand what they are doing, nor why they are doing it.

It also doesn't explain why it's the "right", that at the very least is actively obfuscating the truth.

Can you explain how that fits in with egg logic?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

The egg analogy only shows that looking from just one of many points of view will never fully reveal the truth. Looking from just the right or just the left has no advantage. To see the complete truth you must observe the egg from every angle, interior and exterior. And if you also observe it at every point in time you will also see it become a chick. Truth does not always remain fixed. It's shape can change over time.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

So, it's unapplicable logic? If not, please apply it to the example given.

I'd like to see it in action.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Take an egg out of the fridge. We are only interested in the exterior of the egg for this experiment. What are the fewest number of viewpoints required to accurately describe the shape, texture, and color of the egg.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I didn't think you could apply it. I was correct.

Have fun playing with eggs, while the World around you is in peril.

I'll stick with functional logic, observational skills and science.

The point of the thread, is that a particular "faction" is actively and knowing, lying, misdirecting and misreading DATA..

Eggs don't matter, grasshopper.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

You sense that what you are being told is not true. That particular" faction" misreading, lying, etc. is only showing you one side of the egg. It is up to you to look at all sides.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I look at the actual science all the time.

Do you?

[-] 0 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Personally I have only looked at the sea level rise data of the last 100 years and other data going back thousands of years. What I saw did not cause me to think sudden global warming was occurring so further study was not needed. What is the main fact that draws you to a differrent conclusion?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

Stand with the right and see that point of view. Do the same with the left. But why limit yourself to only two viewpoints? The Israeli Palestinian conflict cannot be seen from two points of view. You must change your location or point of view and explore it internally and externally, and not limit it to any day or hour, but from differing times as well.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

um......This thread is about corporations lying about global warming.

I fail to see what that has to do with Palestine or Israel, other than the desert is getting bigger.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

How do you tell if they are lying? By knowing the truth. Examine the evidence yourself, but you must be honest enough to accept whatever it shows.

The only reliable guage of climate change I see is sea level rise. 1/8" per year for the last 100 years or about one foot per century.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I answered your question, just below.

I guess it is you who needs to apply your egg logic.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It varies from place to place, so averages don't tell the whole story.

If our ability to measure so many places improves, so will accuracy.

The "right" cut off some of that vision too, some just recently.

Now, why would they do that, if they seek the truth?

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

So what scientific fact supports you view of climate change?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

They are myriad and they almost all point to the same thing.

Regardless of what you think is causing it, we are having an effect on it.

Everything else, is bullshit, until proven otherwise.

That's how science works.

Unfortunately, it's not how politics works.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 2 years ago

What is the most significant scientific fact that supports climate change?

[-] 1 points by timirninja (263) 2 years ago

well, sometimes u can use yo language =) Forum Post: How corporations and fundies, brainwash yo kids.

[-] 1 points by timirninja (263) 2 years ago

the brainwash is - continuous transmission of mislead information which consciously percepted by our brain. Just a litlle sample: Beef in Syria. Majority of Israelis are against the war with Iran. CIA trying to get rid of Iranian ally by changing their regime. Syrian protestors equiped with AK's and UK weapons. Foreign bandits and Al-Qaeda gangs presented in the region. Now lets get back to the reality! UN assembly orchestrating regime change in Syria, once again in NY, right? And what do we see? Only that what we want to to see: Mind blogging post like this. This message may be forgotten soon. For those of you "Jew and Diamond" admirers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVmhZW1dDis

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

What in the World does beef in Syria, of which I know nothing, have to do with lies about global warming, being tied into our education system?

[-] 1 points by timirninja (263) 2 years ago

Global worming is old boring story. Whats up with my comment? It is part of the global brainwash =) Why do you care or dont care about it? Winter this year is pretty normal. I sow news about huge snow-falling in Morocco, not sure. Scientists predict cold era instead. Although that, many north countries are way beyond the sea level. Wow, they have another view on Global warming.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'm on the other side of the World and it's the jet stream that's shifted.

The instability is one of the symptoms.

We'll see if they have tornado's in London, and record heat in Moscow again this summer.

[-] 1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Without even reading those posts it doesn't take an "idiot" to realize what's happening to our society.

Our schools don't teach independence and are "dumbing down" our children.

If you spend any amount of time watching those stupid sitcoms and all that other crap on television that has no "brain enhansing" value you will also be bombarded with one commercial afte the other telling you how much you need this or that.

Unless the people of this country change their "enterntainment" habits it will only get worse.

Knowledge is power and that's why there those who have and those who "have not". Sitting in front of a television or thumbing a gameboy for hours on end or texting stupid comments or posting uneventful events on facebook just to get attention has actually taken away the "Knowledgeable" part of the brain and turned it into "stupid".

As the old saying goes "stupid is as stupid does" and just what direction do you think our society is headed? It isn't reading books or becoming more knowledgeable that's for sure.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I can't be around 90 some % of what's on TV. People get mad at me for making fun of it.

It makes me proud that my daughter is in university and doing well in Chinese, and Japanese language studies, in spite of growing up with all that. She got into from watching hour, after hour, of Anime.

I was worried for a while there.

[-] 1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Well, if you are proud of her it's because you provided her with other options and as a result she turned out to be the best.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

She is hoping to go to China within the year, and Japan next year. It will interesting to hear her impressions.

[-] 0 points by NightShade (163) 2 years ago

The only reason they want our children all Christians is so they will submit to the new world order, be a good little christian and follow the fascist rules.

Don't forget to donate 2 billion a year to Israel now.

[-] -1 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 2 years ago

Yes! You must believe this! These people are devil spawn and must be dealt with! Mother Gaia's massive buttocks will crush these charlatans to dust and her huge gaseous deposits will blow them to the moon!!