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Forum Post: How about Gary Johnson for Prez?

Posted 2 years ago on June 14, 2012, 6:58 p.m. EST by Ananda (29) from Boston, MA
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I know that largely Occupy doesn't support a Party or candidate. However, what greater message could send at this point than that of we will not tolerate this 2 party farce anymore? http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues After this Trans Pacific trade agreement leak that will grant transnational corporations virtually unlimited power how can anyone in good faith vote for Obama now?

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[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

"Trade pact between the United States and eight Pacific nations would allow foreign corporations operating in the U.S. to appeal key regulations to an international tribunal. The body would have the power to override U.S. law and issue penalties for failure to comply with its ruling"

There is no God

[-] 4 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

This latest instance of Obama bending over for moneyed interests is a shame. These trade policies are terrible, but they are nothing new. The NAFTA/GATT rules pretty much already gave Multi National Corporations the ability to usurp American regulations. If you read Chapter 11, you'll see that companies already had a forum to sue gov'ts when environmental regulations got in the way of profits. http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/nafta_gatt/lawsuit.htm

http://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=14&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=NAFTA%2FGATT+chapter+11

This latest agreement is just a continuation of past usurpation of our environmental regulations. I may just join you and vote against Obama and Romney by going third party.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

I'm not getting the drift of this. Foreign corp in the US could violate OSHA and it would go to an international tribunal? This seems very strange.

[-] 3 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

and all regulations and laws in general is what it seems like.

Wage laws, safety laws, labor laws, and so much more. Not only could they get around these laws but they could impose penalties on the US for trying to stop them.

This is a big deal. If anyone needed something to see to understand Obama works for the corporate 1% just like Romney does... this is it.

[-] 1 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

So this is globalization in hyper-drive to the nth degree? This seems like a VERY bad idea.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6000) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

have you made a post on this yet?

[-] 1 points by Ananda (29) from Boston, MA 2 years ago

I watched that today as well, I'm so devastated that I don't really have words to articulate how much so.

[-] 2 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

Spread that through evey social media outlet you can Facebook Twitter whatever you have at your disposal

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Great vid I twittered it straight off of the vid page.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/14/breaking_08_pledge_leaked_trade_doc

[-] 3 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

There are 30,000 comments on Huffington Post about it but every american I don't care if they live under a rock needs to know about this yesterday

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Absolutely and everyone who has a social media outlet reaches that many more people. Repeats bolster the message.

People get involved.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/14/breaking_08_pledge_leaked_trade_doc

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I've already sent it out, thanks for the great info.

[-] 3 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

Everybody regardless of their pollitical persuasion should be able to get behind protesting this

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Damn straight - if there were ever any issues for common cause this is one of them. http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/14/breaking_08_pledge_leaked_trade_doc

Unite or be damned by a runaway government being manipulated by corpo-rat-ions.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4829) 2 years ago

Good point. With this threat in mind, all the other bickering means nothing.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hey Nevada1 - thanks for the support.

Hey - did you see where I was talking to jart about setting up an education archive and outreach site?

It could be pretty great for listing article and vids that have been shared for easy access - to then share out to other groups - occupy groups as well as other social groups. This issue about the pacific trade agreement could be placed there as well as so many others for easy access and sharing.

This could be what we need for a sustained drive at education and awakening of the people.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4829) 2 years ago

Excellent

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22310) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

We move forward. Takes time to flesh this stuff out and fight off CorpoRat attackers.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4829) 2 years ago

Agree. We must stop this thing fast.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I agree.

If it gains too much attention, watch for the media to plug some nonsense story, or do somthing to divide the issue :)

[-] 3 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

Its got to be stopped. I'm so upset I can't study

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I heard an older lady, lifelong activist, at Occupy Tampa say " Enjoy the movement, but dont get tied to the results"...

I thought that was great.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4829) 2 years ago

Perhaps, another "Run Away Bride".

[-] 1 points by Ananda (29) from Boston, MA 2 years ago

I have, I've also written an email to Senator Wyden asking what we Americans can do to support his Constitutional obligation to see this through.

[-] 2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Too bad it is so hard for a geek like him to become president. He has a great platform.

[-] 3 points by Ananda (29) from Boston, MA 2 years ago

Well think about it, do really want to vote for Romney or Obama? If you weren't planning on voting, why not vote for this guy as a form of protest against the 2 party system?

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

I don't think you took me literally. I really meant what I said.

I voted for RonPaul last week so it is safe to say that I don't. I did not vote to protest the 2 party system, I agree with Dr Paul on more issues than any other candidate.

Gary Johnson was one of my favorites. You have to admit Johnson is a geek. Have you ever seen him debate? In my business, computer software development that is OK. Running for president it just does not work because most people vote on image and emotion. Steve Forbes was a geek that had no chance. Smart man with great ideas but a geek that had no chance to win the presidency.

There is a reason Mitt took the lead and it has nothing to do with his platform, ideas, or convictions.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I just read this guys position on the issues, he sounds like a Ron Paul type. I didn't hear the words participatory democracy even once, no talk of trying to help cooperatives, employee owned enterprises, etc. Get rid of the IRS, school choice (implying he's a voucher supporter), and the typical libertarian stuff (which most of us probably agree with), legalize marijuana, end our wars, etc. (pretty consistent with mainstream American libertarian thought).

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4829) 2 years ago

Good post Ananda.

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Vote for Gary Johnson & get the paul ryan budget -
GREAT IDEA
Did grover tell you how much he would pay per Johnson vote?

[-] 1 points by Ananda (29) from Boston, MA 2 years ago

According to what? If you have a link to that info I would love to read because I definitely do not approve of the Ryan budget.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

No matter who you vote for [ in MA ]
No matter who I vote for [ in NY ]
there are only two candidates who can win
you can dream and rant and rave and beg
but thats the facts


if grover-charlie-david-alec pay off enough people to vote for a third party
because the hate Obama and they understand willard is a sociopath
we will have the paul ryan budget and privatized social security and soylent green

[-] 1 points by Ananda (29) from Boston, MA 2 years ago

No offense but that is defeatist thinking. Do I expect Johnson to win? No, it would be nice...but no. However if he got even 5-10% of the vote that would be a pretty powerful message. That's how I see it anyway.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Thank you for continuing the stupidity which is our voting public.

Its not only bad enough that you only vote for corporate candidates, but you advise others to do the same.

What a savior you are!!

[-] -1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 2 years ago

You say the same about Romney. Does Obummer even HAVE a budget?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

Hmmmmm - name calling
Are you in second grade?

[-] -1 points by ronniepaul2012 (214) 2 years ago

I'll take that as a 'no' then. It's one thing to be against a plan that has been laid out, quite another to support a man with no plan.

[-] -3 points by camams (7) 2 years ago

How about Gov Walker for Pres, he would make an excellent one. He truly stands up people