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Forum Post: Hours are all I got, what’s wrong for wanting to get paid a little more for them?

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 5, 2012, 5:41 a.m. EST by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ
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A workin man has got the same 24 hours in a day as Donald Trump and they tell me that 8 dollars is too much for an hour of my life when his worth 1,000’s of times more? That’s a bunch of crap.

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[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So Romney gets paid over a $100,000 as CEO is the sole shareholder of the company, but had no control?

Is that the sort of leader he is, the kind people pay to go away?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

After his trip to Enland I understand why they pay him to go away.

[-] 2 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

To be fair, Donald Trump has better skills than you, and he probably knows a few more things about running a business than you do.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

"better" skills I highly doubt that (in my case anyway)

So your point is that he's worth it? You see I don't think so, I'm not saying he might not be worth 100 or 200 times normal, but no way 1,000 or even 5,000 don't think that case can be made. The only reason he has what he has is because the system is rigged by people at the top, it has nothing to do with their actual value.

[-] 0 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

I guess you can debate that either way. My thought is that he is worth more than you because he has a better track record of making money. Im not sure what your credentials are, but Im going to go out on a limb and say that Trump has run more successful businesses than you have. Thats why he gets paid the big bucks, people pay for Trump to make money for their business with as little risk as possible.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

He was certainly more successful at being born that's for sure. As far as a game of chess, I don't think he'd last long from I've seen, but as I've said, if you think of me as an athlete it will be easier for you.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (2506) 2 years ago

Yes well you know who is really making out? Developers and landlords you know why? Because all of these loud mouth I did it myself types worked for large protective unions or took welfare handouts from the government to do projects (with your tax money) While getting where they were because they had people in the know or started off with money. They really made out during the housing boom, but we still get to pay them out with our tax dollars because they blew through their entire windfalls by continuing to make shitty investments and blow through every ounce. When all of these contractors decide to take a Dr. summer-off from their huge protective state unions who do you think covers the tab? All I know is all the service sector employees get to fund big gitter dones in their $50,000 trucks who drink coffee while standing on the side of a road getting paid $50.00 an hour to hold a sign that says please go slow and stare at a hole in the ground while two people work at it. Thanks Obama for stimulating the people who should have accumulated a giant savings stash by now but didn't because they're all a bunch of drunks and gambled most of it away. As an office worker whose pay hasn't risen in twelve years of working despite my experience, watching all the office jobs go to India, driving to work in my dangerous falling apart vehicle that has no breaks - I'm so appreciative to know that all of my hard earned tax dollars can stimulate the help a rich complex condo developer, drunken connected piece of shit contractor or wealthy low income housing developer fund who in return pushes me out of the housing market and charges me $1200 - $1500 a month in rent or makes me late for work while I wait for them to finish a useless road project that they also just rebuilt last year and then has the nerve to turn around and tell me I'm a lazy piece of shit protester who should have followed their example in life.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Please forward your link to prove $50/hr for holding a sign, I believe that is a lie and that you are a liar.

[-] 0 points by elf3 (2506) 2 years ago

Apparently you don't live in my state - it's common knowledge (and boy did you go into the wrong trade / business.) probably didn't know any higher ups in the bidding development company (like SPS for example) or one of the union higher -ups.

Also catch a hold of this latest article also in the Wall Street Journal regarding the land grabs Wall Street are about to make using the tax payers to do it. http://occupywallst.org/forum/fiefdom-in-america-land-discounts-for-the-wealthy-/ So long home ownership - it was nice for some generations - can't wait until the credit card company I was late by 30 days can now also evict me since they also own the dwelling in which I live for an exorbitant amount that they bought so cheaply thanks to my taxes.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So we have determined in fact that you are a liar as you insult first about how easy this be to prove, then you fail to prove it. it's good to know who the liars on the site are, so everybody got it $50/hr to hold a sign is a lie.

[-] 0 points by elf3 (2506) 2 years ago

Well in total honesty probably more like $30.00 but when you add in the nice free insurance paid for by the tax payer and stellar disability every time they get a paper cut - absolute truth - !!!

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Wow that's a forty percent haircut, you wouldn't mind if we raised taxes forty percent on people making over $300,000/yr would you?

The difference between getting $60,000/yr and $100,000/yr is huge in case you are so far into the 1% you didn't know that.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2506) 2 years ago

I don't make it out of the 20's my friend - I think you may be confused back track out of the paranoia a moment go back to big government collusion and private corporations ... joining hands to screw us - there you go ... breathe we're apparently on the same page but your brain glazed over or something. And no private contracting or subsidization on public funds with no checks or balances = bad (think Haliburton and the military industrial complex)

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Hey good luck on your future earnings and let me tell you that $30/hr may sound like a lot, and it is decent money I have no probelm with people making decent money, and if the man needs a sign helded up somewhere that's fine. $60,000/yr is not too much to pay someone for doing a hot nasty job. I would hope that if you are truly involed in this you will stop beating up on unions, the only chance we have, and focus on the multi billioniars. See you around.

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 2 years ago

Don't waste your time talking about some ephebophile weirdo with a control complex and an atrocious hairstyle.

If you want the big dollars, embrace capitalism, and start a business.

Otherwise, get the flock outta the business side of things, and find a wage job. End of rant.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I suppose if your entire world were just about making money, but as a citizen one must concern oneself with the society at large as well.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

How can you ask such a question? If you ask for more, you'll decrease the profits of the 1%. Look at Apple. They're trying to figure out what to do with the $100 billion or so they have lying around in cash.

People like you will ruin the 1%.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Not at all, I have known people who were rich, wealthy and just well off, I found that they can all have happy and meaningful lives. And I found that life can suck for anyone. So once you get past the basic needs money becomes not so important, and the thing is I'm sure that there is somebody out there that will write that cool song if they can only get a guitar, and rich people will like it. So you see I just want everyone to make a decent wage, at least, so they can buy that guitar and write that song, so the rich people can enjoy it.

[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (2451) from Boulder City, NV 2 years ago

I see your point. If someone isn't groveling for basic necessities, maybe they can make the life of at least one of the 1% a little bit more joyful.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

exactly it's a win win

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 2 years ago

No offense but Donald Trump is smart in the business sense. Not sure about the others though.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and I think that should be worth about $800/hr but the way we let those who "have" take it all is rediculious.

[-] 1 points by slammersworldisback (-217) 2 years ago

your spelling is ridiculous........

maybe it's one of the reasons, along with that chip on your shoulder...as to why you aren't being compensated more for the time you exchange..

Do you suppose Trump makes spelling errors in his personal or business correspondence?

and who are this "we" that "Let's" those who have get what they have?.....YOU? hahahaha......you really think you have a say? Trump, and others at his level provide products that the consumer wants, what is it that you do? complain that you want more, without providing what the consumer of your effort wants?....I guess you weren't taught very well about how things work....

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The responses here have been interesting, the first person was a conversational tool, I’m a mathematician (and spelling is illogical and silly), I already took considerable money from the trust fund babies, no need to worry about me, but I did notice how so many automatically determined that I had some flaw when thinking I worked for minimum. One of the things that this process reveled to me was what a huge lie this whole “we want to keep more of what we earn” when most of the people saying it make their living by taking what others earn. Their scared to death that people are going to figure this out, realize that things got this way because they sent their agents to Washington to rig the game and get rid of their GOP waterboys.

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Yes. Redistribution of wealth is the answer.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

No thant's how we got into this problem, redistrubuting almost all of the wealth created by the workers to the owners, that's what always happens when people fall asleep and let the 1% take whatever they want, we need to get rid of the rules that 1% have writen that let them do this and rewrite them so working people get to keep more of what they earn.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

get a better skill set

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

One of many options, nothing wrong with joining a union and voting Democrat too, and I would bet you anything that the Donald would find he can get by just fine on a hundred times what average people make.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

yes he could but he doesn't have is the point he will bring up. On that issue he is right if he owns a company and wants to take 80% of the profits then he can. Even if its a public company and they vote on him making that money it is fair because they deem it to be fair. Honestly it doesn't take away from me for all i know i may work for the guy on a project.

I agree the salaries are to much but creating a cap or anything will just lead to more criminal activity.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

as long as they don't try to take away from my retirement check, while he's paying historic lows

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

they don't want that money. i mean they do but you don't have to buy any of that product

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Good point I'm not buying that"spending cut" crap either, the Donald can pay more tax before they cut my check!

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

exactly

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

When I look around I see the lowest paid workers often working the hardest.

Why does writing the schedule pay so much better than sweeping the floors?

Is it really that much more valuable?

I’ve done both, and yeah running things is a pain, but if people aren’t doing what I need done I’m screwed. One of the easiest jobs I’ve seen or done though was sitting at a board table, and that one pays the most of all, because the guys sitting there set the wages. That’s what we got to get to somehow.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

yeah your right to a degree labor is paid on skill set and how easy it is to replace you.

I think if we had more people that have done both like you and me then wages would be fairer. I plan on running a company someday and i want to pay my works a true living wage also though to have a profit for my business

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I hope we have a set of rules that allow you to do that. Take SuperPacs, or extra points, you may not agree with those rules but if you don't kick that extra point out of principle then you will have trouble staying on as coach. Same for business, I want a fair set of rules so those that want to do the right thing can stay in business. When we look at places like Germany we see a well paid workforce adds more than it takes.

[-] 0 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Then go cut your neighbors grass, clean his gutters, paint his house, whatever, if you're worth more, you'll make more.

Hell, I cut grass for many years when I was a kid and made more than 20 bucks an hour long before you were born. I hustled.

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I can also elect people to set a reasonable minumin wage.

[-] -1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 2 years ago

Have you ever thouht about learning a trade? Plumbing, electrical, appliance repair?

Or how about working on a drilling rig? Thats big money. What do you do now?

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Look no need to make it personal, the point is people have a right to a decent wage and the only reason they're not getting it, is because the 1% have rigged the system to their benefit. They use collective capital to stop people from forming unions so they can provide collective labor, the law should not allow that. Collective capital should bargain with collective labor for rates, and if it did in all cases people would be paid fair wages.

As far as my personal situation, let’s just say I was born with certain genetics which have allowed me to do ok.

[-] -1 points by aflockofdoofi (-18) 2 years ago

No, they dont have a right to a decent wage simply by birth. And they dont have a right to a decent wage if they havent made a concerted effort to get work skills. Getting a degree in French poetry is no reason to have a high paying job. Getting a degree in petroleum engineering or rare earth metallurgy is.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

No one has a right to an empolee, if you are not willing to pay a living wage, you can do it your whole damn self.

[-] -1 points by TimSykes (-22) 2 years ago

^This guy gets it

[-] -1 points by slammersworldisback (-217) 2 years ago

and that "reasonable" minimum wage can eliminate thousands, or perhaps millions of part time and lower value jobs that give teenagers and young adults their first experience in the work place......leading to the sort of entitlement mentality you are displaying with this post.......tell me why you're WORTH more pay....not why YOU think you deserve it......

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Hey what happen to your "job loss" argument?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

If there’s anybody out there with people on the clock they don’t need, those people will be out of business quick enough, they don’t need a raise in minimum wage to make that happen. So the whole “job loss” argument is bull. If you work for a paycheck in this country you got just as much right to send people to Washington to look out for your interest, like raising minimum wage as the people who send their lobbyist to make sure their getting all the government money they can. If you want to go back to one on one negotiated labor rates then lets get rid of all the corporations to keep one side from coming to the table with collective power and the other side (labor) doesn’t.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Oh BTW let me just say that your adorable, so naive like a little baby but all grown up with a computer screen and everything.

[-] 0 points by wigger (-48) 2 years ago

You don't get paid based on your ego.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

It would seem the Donald does.

[-] -1 points by slammersworldisback (-217) 2 years ago

you're not paid for time....you're paid for the value you bring to that time.....

If you are only making $8 an hour for your time, then you need to increase your value to the marketplace.....

Do you really think if Trump was stripped of all his money and you and he were placed side by side, that you would be on equal footing? Do you really think you would have the same ability to recognize and act on a deal with the same proficiency as Trump?

If you do, you need to have your head examined......

[-] 3 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Of course not, I would kick the Donald's ass, but that's me, I'm special. The question here is who sets that market value? I’ve seen Paris Hilton work and you want me to believe that a system that places the value it does on her work isn’t broken? If a group of people, whether it be citizens or NBA owners, refuse to look at the rules to ensure the games survival then the game won’t survive it’s really that simple.

[-] 0 points by smartcapitalist (143) 2 years ago

There is no one guy that sets the market value of a piece of work. It's gets set based on demand and supply of the kind of skills required for the job, the economic value of the job. the financial risks of screwing up on the job and a few other things. As for Paris Hilton, her grandfather Conrad Hilton worked enough to ensure that generations don't have to worry too much. Sure bad management of the Hilton group can drive them to the street but the chances of that happening are very little. Since your and my grandparents (or parents) aren't Conrad Hilton, we gotta work.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

The point is that the economy suffers when its capital falls into weak hands. I realize that Conrad Hilton’s ego would have him secure his family’s future for generations but in a competitive world wide environment we simply cannot afford that vanity anymore. We must enforce a inheritance tax sufficient enough to ensure the turn over of American capital, only by putting everything up for grabs every generation can we have a chance of the capital going into competent hands.

[-] -2 points by smartcapitalist (143) 2 years ago

You can say that because your grandfather is not Conrad Hilton. If he were, you would taken a completely different line. It's easy to be altruistic when we have nothing at stake. I would very much like to provide for my children (don't have any yet) and give them the best that is possible. Inheritance tax is a stupid idea.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Yes this argument I’ve heard before, “If I were on the other side of the economic fence I feel differently.” Of course that hasn’t affected Warren Buffet’s opinion, back at the nuclear plant where I once worked I heard it quite a bit, so I put a million dollars in the bank, started making more money off my money than any of our bosses, and kept making the same point; that the system needs to be made more fair. Didn’t hear that one so much after that.

[-] -1 points by smartcapitalist (143) 2 years ago

You can want whatever takes your fancy. Hell, I want a castle to live in. It does not mean you get it. Stop throwing tantrums like a kid

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I think I'll throw a vote instead. (BTW you should see my castle)

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2506) 2 years ago

You can cast your little vote into the corporate owned voting machines and keep your fingers crossed but odds are the machines are about to go viral - and as I read these things going back and forth - not much choice in a system when the deck has been stacked and the jobs that used to provide upward mobility have been outsourced to slave labor in fascist non-democratic countries. Where is the ladder? o right -it went overseas. Well guess I'll put myself through school that costs $10,000-$20,000 a year (have you seen community college costs lately wow?) pay for my $1200-$1500 a month apartment and my $600 a month car (unless of course I lease it then it's much lower but i 'll owe on any depreciation or damage), with my $130.00 a month insurance. and my $60.00 a week gas, and my $50.00 a week food, and somehow come up with my $3000.00 semester book bill - on my low wage job and oh wait ....yeah that's impossible - did you say you were a mathematician? Oh yes and there's the little matter that the banks won't lend to you if you don't make enough but you probably make too much to qualify for any aid since it's funding has been stripped bare (oh I do miss the Clinton years when education was actually possible) - and unless you have rich parents or parents who could put up their house which since their equity is upside down have no ability to do - or they have the graciousness to allow u to stay in their basement for the next ten years (the amount of time it will take to finish school and get a masters degree since a regular degree means nothing anymore) Shit I should have joined a fat state construction union - well, hindsight, and oh yeah don't have any state or nice fat big-wig connections... so that leaves me with working in a factory job that pays a decent liveable wage that you can save away (ahh haaa haa ) the factory that is in China - and yeah maybe I'll start a business with the loan that I'll get from the bank with all of my non-existent collateral and Starbucks tip money. phht ! I think I'll just pull success out of my ass - yes I'll start capitalizing on my shit - I'll sell it like a lemonade stand or maybe work my way up through my company with all my base skills that can't compete with all the rich graduates who's parents were able to buy them degrees. I don't know I'm totally open to suggestions at this point because really - I thought I was a smart person but I just can't figure out how to do it. I guess I'm destined for the service sector - can I wipe your ass sir? Can I wash your dishes oh please for the rest of my life (since I'm not really a person of dreams or talents, or ambitions, or goals in life - being I wasn't smart enough to pull myself out of this I must deserve the knowledge that I am an utter waste of space only good enough to clean up after the wondrous smart people who truly grabbed at those boot straps.)

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

So elf' is another agent of the 1%, you guys are really getting afraid that your henchmen the Republicans are going to get swept out if people catch on to your game and OWS is waking people up. You GOPers are in big trouble.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2506) 2 years ago

I represent the 99 percent I am Occupy - and Occupy is the voices of the people in this world who don't have one...the general flavor of this country right now is to train the upcoming generations for less and less of what their parents enjoyed - and to accept and get used to a corporate regime - I'm here to tell them this is not the way it's always been and this is not the way it has to be - we can fight it - this is not normal - this is not America !!! Wall Street has been feeding them a new world order propaganda but it is not going to win - we are occupy we are the 99 percent we are the forgotten generation that remembers the cold-war and remembers it's end. We're not young enough to have been spoon fed this shit - and your're just sour that you missed brainwashing an entire generation that is still young enough and passionate enough to care about democracy and the freedom we grew up on. We will never stop we will never give up - you'll get tired before we do. Who are you and- why are you on this site? is the better question - FBI? Wall Street Sympathizer? Antagonist? You seem to be devoting a lot of time to this and yet you haven't stated a single goal of yours. Perhaps you're just another cognitive distortion theorist?

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

If you read my posts i am very clear in my goals, you on the other hand seem comitted to keeping the GOP in power so they can continue to strip Americans of their democracy, I see it here in AZ everydaty I have posted about it many times, you on the other hand just want to divert us form taking action to achieve our goals.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (2506) 2 years ago

I am not promoting either party which right now are both servants of the machine - where are you getting that from any of my posts? I's a laugh for sure especially to people that know me. I refuse to give anyone in power a pass no matter which ticket they happen to be on - if they support wall street I don't support them

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (7050) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Well that's all noble and all, but me; I'm hardcore.

I certainly don’t think the Democrats are perfect, as a matter of fact I think the Republicans are almost perfect. Perfectly bad.

I have been watching this stuff closely for over 30 years, and if every American don’t pull their heads out of the sand thinking they are “about the same” we are doomed that is exactly what the 1% want you to believe. If we were in 1960’s looking at a Covair and a Mercedes you could talk about how they both have tires and a motor, and i could point out that one of them will kill you. Nader was once a truth teller, the guy who would tell you that one would kill you, but when he wanted power he became one of the they’re about same guys, why don’t you buy the Covair it looks cool.