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Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 31, 2012, 7:52 a.m. EST by GirlFriday (17435)
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[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Gr8 link 'GF'. Sick as dog as I am at the moment with a chest infection, I'm even sicker at the likes of MITT 'There's NO Room At The Inn' & "I don't care about The Poor" ROMNEY !!!

The fact that Romney could say that and still claim to speak for "the 95% in the middle", shows just how detached he is from the reality of the 46+ million on food stamps and literally 'uncounted millions' in hard times, working multiple jobs with little or no employment rights - desperately running to stand still !! WTF does 'Millionaire Mittens' know about the average American ?! I can feel a fever induced indignant rant coming on, so I'll end there. For further insight into the plight of some of the 99%, please also see :

Videre Videnda !!!

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I hope you feel better.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Thanx. I'll get better. But Mittens will remain an unconscionable (x) for the rest of his 'daze' !!

[ps : Hey ! What's with all the 'vote downs' ?!! '-9' at time of my comment !! Shall we both take that personally ... or just me, lol !!! Or have you got a 'BOT' on your case ? Hmmm ...]

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Yes, he will.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Also 'GF', see above !!! Wassup there ?!! Suspicious if you ask me !

[-] 5 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

It's Thrasy. He is crying.

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

LoL !!! Shall we have a 'Global Forum Whip-round' to 'Fredex' him a palette of tissues ?!! I'm too ill to really care but I'm shallow enough to still be curious what brought on his lachrymosity !

Ho-hummm ... SH!T Happens .. especially if you play with the 'BlackSun' !!!

"To go into the dark with a light is to know the light.

To know the dark, go dark. Go without sight,

and find that the dark, too, blooms and sings,

and is travelled by dark feet and dark wings." !!

(Wendell Berry, "To Know The Dark") & something I just read on http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30414.htm !

verb. sat. sap. ...

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I am not afraid of him. That is why. I like watching him reduce himself to a 4 year old. He cannot stand the fact that I refuse to buy into his line of doodoo.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Of COURSE you're NOT afraid ! Just to be clear, someone (I think 'shooz') recently fingered another one of TrashyPhalus's alter egos {How many has he got now ?!} as the recently joined 'BlackSun' - hence the post, point & poem !!!

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

I saw that. I thought you were being slick. So.............I was trying to be slick right back. :P

So much for slickness.

[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

Lol ! So 'slick' that we both 'slipped' !! Stand Firm !!! ;-)

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Have every intention of it. :D

[-] 3 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

The repelican party is DONE

[-] 3 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

there is something wrong here . . .

IF you loose your job, because the school has a smaller budget, because tax revenue to the city shriveled, because more people are out of work, because banks aren't lending to meet the needs of small business who use short terms loans to cover quarterly expenses, and the banks aren't lending because they already have such huge, and high risk, amounts of debt,

  • debt they incurred through fraud, hoping to bundle up and sell on the open market, thereby relieving them of that bad debt -

It is your right to be homeless - your fault even, and repelicans will not consider any legislative measures that might relieve anyone of this obligation to become homeless in event of economic catastrophe inspired by sheer stupidity . . .

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Exactly. There is something wrong here. It is repetitive.

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear There's a man with a gun over there Telling me I got to beware I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down There's battle lines being drawn Nobody's right if everybody's wrong Young people speaking their minds Getting so much resistance from behind I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down What a field-day for the heat A thousand people in the street Singing songs and carrying signs Mostly say, hooray for our side It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid You step out of line, the man come and take you away We better stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, now, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I think it makes me dizzy just rereading it . . .

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

The thing that ticks me off is that they could not possibly move any slower.

Hell, the UN moves faster than this.

[-] 0 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

who? Congress?

Congress bends before pressure - and in most cases that pressure comes from lobbyists.

[-] -2 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

You want more regulations on the banks and you got it. Oops, this means less loans to non IG credits. You got what you want so what's the problem.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

we could begin with the problem that far too few of the fraudulent lenders have even seen the inside of a courtroom - let alone a jail cell.

It would be interesting to watch as the rhetoric and practice emanating from the banking industry and their allies evolves under this kind of pressure . . .

[-] -2 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

That might make you feel good but that doesn't put people in jobs. I again ask you, you want more regulations on banks, you got them and this leads to only the highest grade credits getting loans, so what's the problem. You can't have more regulations and more loans to risky credits.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

no rebuttal? too bad . . . I wasn't finished . . .


it was a fuking paper scam perpetrated upon the people borrowing the money, and on the market that bought the bundles of bad debt.

these could be your neighbors, your neighborhood.

and all a you little righties blame the borrower, out of an abundance of racism and classism, stirred up by the fools who brought this economic meltdown on us all.

fukin nitwits

Entire communities devastated with nothing more than a smile and the stroke of a pen

and I'd like to lynch the lot of the bastards responsible in the public square.

  • WITHOUT JUSTICE

  • THERE WILL BE NO PEACE

[-] -2 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

That's your response, to link a bunch of you tube videos. That's the depth of your knowledge?

Good luck with this.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

show me one youtube link posted either here

or here

were I to provide links, I would begin with 60 Minutes . . .

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

the banking industry's entire approach to the matter of risk is absolutely insane

People perfectly capable of paying their loan at the initial rate, yet not at rate that balloons higher in 3-5 years, get shafted . . .

How you ask? I know you are on the verge of spinning the bullshit to maintain control of perceptions as soon as I post -

the banks didn't complete the paperwork demonstrating ability - or inability - to pay. Then they paid the mortgage writer, for writing the loan. They gave bonuses for every one. This in part encouraged the lender who dealt with the customer to lie - and lie they did - assuring the skeptical that this type of loan would be just fine for them - of course the borrower in such cases had no idea the lender would bundle their bad loan with hundreds of others and sell them on the open market - and to help overcome any hesitancy on the part of the borrower, they offered to loan up to 98 % of the property value.

The fukers shot themselves in the foot - and everyone else too.

And much of this behavior stems from their perceptions of risk.

  • riskier customers deserve a higher interest rate

and yet their criteria for risk evaluation only tells part of the story - as is clearly seen with the results of their own behavior. Of course it was risky to lend far and wide knowing the loans were bad - Of course it was risky to sell so many bad loans on the open market . . .

  • of course the fuckers are insane

  • and I'd like to lynch the lot of the mutherfuckers.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22339) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Corrupt corporate Banks and the stock market are why I posted this one today:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/save-you-privatepersonal-retirement-fundsassets/

[-] 1 points by fairforall (279) 2 years ago

I agree brother zendog....but while we are lynching, I would also like to include those who were most in the know that the homeowner wouldn't be able to make the payment. and that is........the homeowner.

I'll go get some extra rope.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

there is a fundamental disconnect in their thinking - when they could negotiate a lower interest rate and preserve the payments, thus recouping the entire principle plus some,

they instead refuse to negotiate, cutting both the home owner's and their own, throats.

It's absolutely unbelievably stupid. Something drastic needs to happen to shake them awake - maybe they are thinking it will be just fine because of things like the bailouts and FDIC insurance - maybe it has a lot to do with reinforcing systems of belief as it pertains to debt and debt management -

I dunno - but this is all just wrong.

[-] -2 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

I don't disagree with you regarding risk All I am saying is be careful what you wish for. You want more regulations on banks therefore only the best credits will get loans. To put it OWS terminology, the 1% will get the loans not the others.

Your argument should be about stable money and the Feds intervention to lower rates as that is what incentivizes people to stretch for yield. It is happening again now due to low yields.

So you get what you want, more regulations and tight lending then how does the kid who is a OWS protestor, with very little income, end up buying a house for his family?

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

I hear what you are saying -

what I am saying is that there is a bias within the banking industry - it is a deregulatory, and often racist and classist, bias, that has a real impact on lending policy and how regulations are interpreted and applied.

If this bias is not addressed, we will not be able to regulate the financial industry - when we do, as we have seen, we will end up with the entire economy held hostage or tossed into complete disarray.

My solution is to make the entire system public - and thus create openings for economists of a different economic school of thought, to take part in both shaping and implementing economic policy.


EDIT

I'm not an economist - but in 200 - 400 years, if civilization survives global warming, then that is what we will have - I don't believe there is any choice. The economy is finite - as is the planet we live on. This has got to be taken into account when it comes to issues such as economic growth.

[-] -2 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

The problem with public control of banks is even more corruption and cronyism. See the activity in China and note who gets the loans. The system will always have biased that favor the status quo. Deregulated markets are the ones that favor the out of favor and disadvantaged as there are no biases in free markets.

Just note how the Jews have moved from one industry to the next as they are forced out due to bias and prejudices.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

as there are no biases in free markets.

wtf? I guess there has never been a single instance of discrimination in either the housing or the lending industry, based on race, religion, or any other criteria . . .

free markets aren't free - that is why we instituted anti-trust laws . . . .

[-] -2 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

There absolutely is bias in free markets, but much less than would happen in controlled markets. Just look at recent events in China or historically in the Soviet Union. There is bias in free markets because there is bias and racism in society. The best way to change this is for disadvantaged groups to do better and free markets offer them the best chance. How could they not since government dictates can't change people beliefs and actions.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

we instituted anti-trust laws - I presume out of necessity.

The railroad barrons turned out to be robbers.

What is different today is that there are more economic sectors where this same process is taking place, and it is squeezing the public dry.

The banking industry is just one of them. What we are looking at is the collapse of an entire economic theory - you don't get that yet -

hopefully you will be left to your delusion while the rest of us set things right.

I absolutely shudder to consider what it will look like should circumstances force you to abandon your faulty system of economic theory -

for that will be chaos

[-] -2 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

Well you are entitled to your thoughts but history and recent trends don't support your ideas. Because free markets are a product of human nature you will get extremes and inefficiencies but it also produces the most amount of goods and services. Government controlled economies don't take into account human nature and assumes that a subset of people will control and produce for the rest. It hasn't worked because of the free rider problem.

The rest of the world realizes this and has moved to less regulated and controlled markets. There are more countries today who employ a flat tax system than in anytime in modern history.

[-] 2 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

recent trends demonstrate widespread corruption and economic collapse. The world will move to eliminate the utter control of economic policy by a handful who engage in market manipulation to the harm of the general, global, public.

[-] -2 points by Jflynn1964 (-206) 2 years ago

Don't be dramatic. The rest if America see the OWS folks destroying buildings and up to no good. They are concerned about working and feeding their families.

Look at what the Tea Party has accomplished in 3 years. They organized, voted and got an good chunk of America to support them so that they have their policies in place. They are responsible for the decrease in spending. So I don't know what you are seeing but I don't see widespread support for violence.

America was founded on liberty. It increases and decreases over the years but it never goes away fully. That liberty is responsible for much of the innovation that has occurred. It won't go away as the populace is use to it.

[+] -4 points by moochild (-43) 2 years ago

We will do anything to protect the "citizens" of the US. As far as you libtards go though, you are on your own

[-] 5 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

Nice to know that only the 'select' are considered citizens in this country. Which begs the question, Does that mean that it is the right of the 'invaders' to conquer?

[-] 4 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 2 years ago

--> @ moochild

you calf

go chew your cud

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I'd be happy to be counted

[-] 0 points by smartcapitalist (143) 2 years ago

I never give money to homeless people. I can't reward failure in good conscience.

[-] -3 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 2 years ago

Darwin said there would be survival of the fittest. But you silly people only wanted to use the "evolve" thing against God. You really should have worried more about the survival part. But you didnt. There you go.

[-] 4 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

I agree. The USA should be a eugenics machine. The unfit - those weaklings who lost their jobs and homes because they couldn't withstand the economic collapse brought on by Wall Street frauds (supermen, in my opinion) - should not only be ignored and left to die, we could set up profitable businesses to accelerate the process. We could, for a hefty premium, set up shooting ranges for education, fun and profit, using the poor as real targets. A secondary objective would thus also be achieved: ridding the population of anti-gun nuts.

As to those weakling's children, even I have to admit, that they did nothing foolish yet, other than choosing to be born poor. But we all know that once born into that situation, they will most likely stay there throughout their lives, littering the streets, demanding something called fairness (whatever THAT is!) and generally being annoying to the truly fit. Allowing them to survive to adulthood,would simply repeat the Anti Darwinian error of un-American compassion.

So let's eat them. A young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and it make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragout.

(My apologies to Swift.)

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

OMG!!

You've gone hyper-libe(R)tarian!!!!!!!!!

Does this mean you're voting for Mr. P now, so we can get this show on the road?

I hope not. You used to be such a person.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Nah. Just hungry and I saw a poor, less-deserving-and-fit kid walk by.

That's not hyper-Lib(R)tardian, It's just run of the mill.

There is one flaw to my idea, though. We have to exempt servants from the shooting ranges. If not, who would clean my toilets, cook her children for my children, or be the nannie, to raise my kids so I can remain FREE to plunder, I mean earn, more money?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Barbie seasons comin' up......:)

Do I need one of stupid g'bment papers to trap 'em?

If I trap a master race kid by accident, can I get a refund?

[-] 3 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

No. Demanding a refund implies that you might need one, and if so, you'd better start running.

There would be no need for G'bment papers. Only an invitation from your CEO.

[-] 2 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

guess that covers the less-than-deserving ceo's of the bailed out corporations! im kinda liking that idea.. yes.. lets kill all those that take in any form from the government.. including you using your kids as deductions on your income taxes

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Hell, no! Those CEOs are the most fit, the most deserving to live. They learned how to milk the system to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else: the perfect example of Libe(R)tardian freedom. They came out on top, which is the one-and-only true test of character.

Now, let's go load us up some more of that buckshot. Evenin's young and there are 150 million of them dirty lazy jobless characterless poor varmints to dispose of. Some of 'em are even minorities. Hot diggetty! I hear tell that them illegal kids are 'specially tasty! Got some mustard? And not that pansy socialist French stuff neither. (Outsourced mustard is OK though - means more profit margin for me.)

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Oh.

I guess I'm gettin' et, 'cause I'm retired.

/hides under the bed\

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

You becha! Fixed income, livin' off off that ponzi scheme communist social security, and gettin' Medicare health care from the liberty robbin' guvment. Run as fast as yer non 1% legs can take ya, cuz yur bed won't hide ya wen we evict you from you foreclosed home.

(This would be a lot more to write fun if it weren't so close to reality.)

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

please, for the life of me, I'd like to know why a government insurance policy is considered a ponzi scheme and a inefficient private insurance program is deemed worthy. You sound as though you watch way too much television and do way too little critical thinking. Insurence programs by their very definition are a numbers game, those with the greater number, either make a greater profit, or provide greater services. A ponzi scheme is a hustle when no one other than a top tier elite get the benefits. So by that definition those that get a third home and a world wide trip round the world for providing insurance are the only ponzi schemers. I suggest you read more and turn the boop tube off.

[-] 2 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

Hello? Is there anyone home? Do you understand satire and irony? Have you read Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal"?

Geez.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Ok, I'll admit I am slow on the up take on this one, my bad. But, I've heard that comment so many times that I had to address it, hoping I was not getting the info wrong. I pulled it out of the comments without reading the whole thread. Besides the satire sounded so main stream that i was slow to see it for what it was.

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

The fact that it sounds so mainstream is what makes it funny, sad, and really really scary, all at the same time.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It's OK Jesse, we were jokin'.............:)

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

My bad, it sounded like a talking point that I've heard on television more than once.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I would believe Ann Coulter capable of everything epa1nter said.

That's what's scary.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It's worse than that!!!!!!!

I have a pension!!!!!!!

At least for now.

[-] 1 points by epa1nter (4650) from Rutherford, NJ 2 years ago

LOL!!!!

You're really screwed!

We's a comin' ta get ya.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Mis-quoting Darwin now.

That would make you a good example of devolution.

A very (R)epelican't ideology.

[-] -1 points by FreeDiscussion1 (109) 2 years ago

which part?

[-] 2 points by Phanya2011 (908) from Tucson, AZ 2 years ago

This forum is always making me look stuff up! Here is the Wikipedia short version: Darwin first used Spencer's new phrase "survival of the fittest" as a synonym for natural selection in the fifth edition of On the Origin of Species, published in 1869.[2][3] Darwin meant it as a metaphor for "better adapted for immediate, local environment", not the common inference of "in the best physical shape".[4] Hence, it is not a scientific description.[5]