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Forum Post: Holy vessel disappears from church housing Occupy Wall Street protesters

Posted 8 years ago on Jan. 22, 2012, 12:49 p.m. EST by trailerParkTim (-13)
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[-] 4 points by OccupyLink (529) 8 years ago

It can happen. There are oppurtunists around everywhere. What's needed is an honest mindset. The average Occupy person is more honest than those who work for the banks. The leaders of the banks are totally courrupt.

[-] -1 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

The leaders of banks have names, the Occupy protesters and organizers are nameless.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

quite a leap to say it was OWS leaders that stole it.

[-] -1 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

Where did I say that? My point is simply that by remaining anonymous, Occupy protesters and organizers are evading possible blame. It would be so much easier to eliminate protesters who turned to violence if we knew who they were. Unfortunately, they are hiding under real masks, or the mask of the GA.

[-] 2 points by OccupyLink (529) 8 years ago

Unfortunately bank staff are not accountable as they are protected by bank secrecy. If a bank staff member breaks the rule of secrecy, there is a five year jail sentence. Every person who works for the bank has to sign this. I know. I have seen the actual documents. That is what the compliance departments of banks are there for - to ensure that secrets are kept and violators are punished. The rules only apply to small fish in the banks of course. .

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

You find the people braking the law and arrest them. The fact that you are implying a conspiracy by OWS or the GA while being a total dick to anyone touting conspiracy you don't buy into, is you talking out of both sides of your face and probably why the mods eventually were able to see through your fake noble cause and banned you.

[-] -1 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

What conspiracy? I'm simply saying that having leaders provides easier targets to point fingers at. This is a mere fact. One statement. There's no conspiracy theory there at all.

[-] 3 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

The act was committed by black block and you point fingers at OWS with no proof. That qualifies as a conspiracy theory. Once you have proof, you will have upgraded the issue from conspiracy theory to a conspiracy. I know you are smart enough to see I just called you on your own bs in a way even you cannot spin to your favor. Don't let me stop you from trying though, should be amusing.

[-] 0 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

Where in the world have I pointed a finger at someone stating that they stole this church's property? Can you provide a permalink? Is it possible that you're reading the comments of another user, or that you lack basic English comprehension skills?

Again, the only statement I made was that having leaders provides easier targets to point fingers at.

Are you on drugs or drunk? Or, perhaps, you just like to make stuff up?

Give me a quote or something. I honestly have no idea what comment you are referring to.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

Really? Trying to remove your statement from the context. Even for you that is an amateur attempt. The thread and the comment you replied to set the context. For your woefully inadequate spin attempt to be productive, your reply would have to be read before everything else and that is simply not how people read. I was right, watching you squirm is very amusing.

[-] 0 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

OK, I see you're just trolling. I still have no idea where I pointed a finger at anyone and you can't seem to show us either.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

I just posted this on the other thread we are engaged on as well

Has OWS changed their stance in regards to the BlackBloc's use of violence?

From your post

We also know that in their last two news articles, OWS has seemingly supported the actions of the BlackBloc.


In that post you indicate guilt by association.

[-] -1 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

It's true, OWS has stopped distancing itself from the black bloc and has supported them in their recent news articles published on this site. However, I never professed a particular position on this church case. I have no idea who stole church property. I'm not a police investigator investigating this crime.

Again, this is the only statement I made on this particular case: The leaders of banks have names, the Occupy protesters and organizers are nameless.

It's simple English, I'm surprised your brain is extrapolating stuff that's not there.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

[-] 2 points by OccupyLink (518) 1 day ago

It can happen. There are oppurtunists around everywhere. What's needed is an honest mindset. The average Occupy person is more ----honest than those who work for the banks. The leaders of the banks are totally courrupt.

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[-] 1 points by Cephalus (89) 1 hour ago

The leaders of banks have names, the Occupy protesters and organizers are nameless.

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So then your reply here is not a counter to the idea that it may not have been the protesters, because that is clearly the point being made by the person you replied to. Did you not understand their comment? Or were you not countering?

[-] 0 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

I'm replying to your last comment here since I have run out of replies.

I'm interested to know why you think OWS has a say in what b-block does.

I never said OWS had a say in what the black bloc does.


I don't want to be off-topic in this posting from trailerparkTim which is about the church issue. I consider this as being impolite and as spamming.

I'll be happy to answer all your questions if you publish them in the proper place. You can use an already existing posting where I bring up these issues. I also suggest you read my comments there because many of your questions don't make much sense in regards to what Iv'e written on this subject. For example, the question I answered above is based on false information.

OK, see you in one of the proper postings.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

ok. 13min from now I can make another post. I have one on que for this debate. See you then.

[-] 0 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

Why are you posting twice? WTF? Are you drunk?

If your goal is to troll me because you want to witness my down voting bot, just say so. There's no need to flood the forum with 15 posts to accuse me of one nonsensical thing.

[-] 0 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

I was simply replying to OccupyLink's claims. Read his comment and my reply. There is not mention of who I think stole the church's property.

Honestly, I think you're high or drunk. You're making fantastic extrapolations by trying to tie comments I made in various threads even though those comments have nothing to do with each other. You're working like a conspiracy theories magically connecting dots and creating one correlation without a cause after another.

You're also wasting everyone's time. Gee. You could have made your nonsensical accusation from the onset in one reply. Instead, you're commenting and replying in two different threads. You wrote what, 15 replies? WTF?

[-] 0 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

So you made nothing statement. glad to be clear on that. Let us move now to your implication of OWS, the GA, and b-block. You raise this issue relentlessly. I'm interested to know why you think OWS has a say in what b-block does. So far your argument hinges on guilt by association, alone it's a conspiracy theory.

Implication of violence by OWS

Implication of violence by OWS

Attempt at connecting the violence of b-block to OWS

Your attempt at making this connection of black blocks explosion to the values of Occupy protesters is not so vague and highly evident. I am simply asking for clarification. By all means I could be reading this wrong and you may not be equating the violence of a preexisting movement to OWS simply by association.

[-] 3 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 8 years ago

Quick look in Tims trailer

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[-] -3 points by trailerParkTim (-13) 8 years ago

Yes you got that right ows members are morons

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[-] 0 points by Lardhead2 (67) 8 years ago

Wow. You are certainly a genius.

[-] 2 points by bigbangbilly (594) 8 years ago

This is how you make scapegoats. First either someone hides an object of value or someone really did that then all of us gets blamed for that individual's action. We have a policy of shunning those that do such abhorrent action. The bad things start piling up like broken windows in that fallacy

[-] 1 points by RoughKarma (122) 8 years ago

A suggested policy change - shun before the abhorrent action.

[-] 0 points by gosso920 (-24) 8 years ago

Wow, blaming the victim much?

[-] 2 points by bigbangbilly (594) 8 years ago

Nope, we shun the thief. We are not thieves. Did you read "someone really did " part? Why does the rest of this movement needs to suffer for one person's action.

[-] -1 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

For the same reason that all cops are being demonized by OWS because one fired a canister on a protester and another one pepper sprayed some students.

For the same reason that everyone in a certain income bracket is categorized as the evil 1%.

OWS mastered the art of generalizations, according to their propaganda every bank director, every politician, every rich person, etc... is an evil demon thief engaged in overwhelming corruption, and every person working in the security field is just a big pig.

It's called propaganda, and everyone from the government to OWS is doing it.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

until one of them stands up and does what is right, complicity is guilt.

[-] -1 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

Exactly. That's why I'm wondering why OWS has stopped distancing itself from the black bloc. Nowadays, they go as far as to say that they represent the sound of revolution.

I'm also wondering OWS is inviting speakers like Derrick Jensen, an anarcho-primitivist who promotes tactics like the black bloc is using.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

allow me to use a favorite line from the 1%ers. "They brought it on themselves". You simply cannot abuse power and population and get away with it for very long. It will stop when the abuses stop. I'm sorry you feel change comes easy or that bullies stop simply because you ask them. I was against the violence. I'm not suddenly going to turn violent because that isn't my thing. But I have no pity for those families that will not have to work for generations if ever, while those making them the money cannot buy shoes for their kids. It's human nature to demand respect and dignity. History shows time and time again what happens when that is not observed.

[-] -1 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

I'm not sure what this as to do with my previous comment? I agree that what OWS is fighting for is of extreme importance and urgency.

I was asking why OWS claims non-violence but then associates itself with people like Derrick Jensen who support the black bloc tactics.

I think it's important to know where OWS stands in terms of the black bloc because they are accepting donations and many people are protesting for Occupy. This has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing that Occupy is fighting the good fight. It's simply about transparency. If I know where Occupy stands on the issue of violence, it can either persuade me or dissuade me into providing donations and protesting at their side.

What a protest is fighting for and how they are fighting are two different things.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

Again, you attempt to attach an action of another preexisting movement to OWS, with no proof. At this point you should be trolling yourself because you're touting conspiracy theories.

[-] -1 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

What action are you referring to? Your replies are vague and hard to follow. Can you provide quotes?

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

Sure


don't bother deleting it, I took a screenshot I can post at will.

[-] 0 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

Why would I delete one of my posts? I believe it's an important post with important questions. That's why I published it. I'm happy you are providing a link. Thanks. You should also comment there to bump it. Iv'e been here three months and have never deleted anything. The only one who deletes his posts and comments around here is you.

If you're going to reply to my comments here, but make unclear references to my comments elsewhere, how the hell am I supposed to know. My assumption was that you were replying to my comments on this thread.

Again, what action are you talking about? The action of stealing the church property in this thread, or one of the actions in the other thread? What action? Just tell me, no need to play guessing games.

It's really hard to reply to your comments when I don't even know what they are referring to.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

I admit to getting off track. You reach by accusing OWS of the theft when indeed there is no evidence to support the claim other than being in proximity to the item. You point a finger at OWS and the GA for the actions of b-block in a guilty by association scenario. With no proof and only insinuation, what you have on both fronts are conspiracy theories.

[-] 1 points by Cephalus (146) 8 years ago

I never accused OWS of this theft richard. I never once pointed the finger to anybody regarding this particular case.

My comments in regards to OWS supporting the black bloc in their latest news articles has nothing to do with this particular case. They are in another thread. You brought up that fantastic connection, not me.

I have no idea who stole the church's property. I'm not a cop investigating the case.

Are you high? Seriously, I can't find another explanation for your over the top extrapolations.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

[-] 2 points by OccupyLink (518) 1 day ago

It can happen. There are oppurtunists around everywhere. What's needed is an honest mindset. The average Occupy person is more ----honest than those who work for the banks. The leaders of the banks are totally courrupt.

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[-] 1 points by Cephalus (89) 1 hour ago

The leaders of banks have names, the Occupy protesters and organizers are nameless.

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So then your reply here is not a counter to the idea that it may not have been the protesters, because that is clearly the point being made by the person you replied to. Did you not understand their comment? Or were you not countering?

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 8 years ago

Nobody is the good guy but choose a side. There is neutral side however...

[-] 2 points by Lardhead2 (67) 8 years ago

I think we should all take heart from francismjenkens and realize that conservatives are sister-fucking hillbillys with retarded intelligence.

[-] 1 points by banningmestill (3) 8 years ago

I would imagine, however, that most could spell "hillbillies" correctly.

[-] 1 points by sinead (474) 8 years ago

I have read the responses to this post... But IMO what has been over looked is the fact that it is OWS's basic beliefs that keeps these things from being stemmed within the movement. They feel they have no right to do "ban" or "shun" anyone from the movement so therefore the behavior of a few continue to hurt the whole.

Here is a link to the NYCGA website and the Housing Working Group and some of the members discussing the incident.

http://www.nycga.net/groups/housing/forum/topic/housing-proposal-or-diplomatic-fallout/

This is not the first issue that has arisen about what to do with those people who are committing crimes within the movement. A young women who was raped was staying at one of the churches housing OWS members and discovered her rapist was staying there as well. A whole discussion on the matter took place at a General Assembly this month and it is in the minutes......absolutely nothing was resolved.... because they feel they have no authority over anyone.

These acts are only the fault of OWS because they do nothing to exclude those who would commit them, and once people with mayhem on their mind get wind of that, what better place to embed themselves in?

[-] 1 points by DiMasciosBridge (170) from Washington, DC 8 years ago

Good! it was never...HOLY in the first place. Insanity shapes the minds of those who believe in ghosts.

[-] 0 points by trailerParkTim (-13) 8 years ago

So that gives OWS the right to steal it because it is not holy??? Or do you think they are just "Occupying it"???

[-] 1 points by DiMasciosBridge (170) from Washington, DC 8 years ago

Well....I guess you're right. It DOESN'T give them the right to do what they're doing.

We have GOT to start talking more if we REALLY want to be a UNITED nation. ...thanks.

[-] 1 points by TedIV (40) 8 years ago

OH MY!! U F MOTHER Fin OWSers did this!!! Have u not read my Bible have U not know what Jesus has to say about Religious Items and Images!!!! have u? He himself knocked over Idols and broke religious or so called religious Vessels.....Put Nothing and no one above who???? But anyhow was this a set-up.. I have taken on people who do things like this to discredit me, so I look delusional and well u should be down here in Klandom where the ones who started the problem are, They live off the coast of glynn county Georgia....They still influence today and well they dreamed it up and brought it to life....

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[-] -1 points by trailerParkTim (-13) 8 years ago

Low lifers

[-] -1 points by uncensored (104) 8 years ago
[-] -1 points by trailerParkTim (-13) 8 years ago

Yes they do but they will never admit to that

[-] -1 points by Skippy2 (485) 8 years ago

Too bad we cant cut the thiefs hand off.

[-] -3 points by trailerParkTim (-13) 8 years ago

Half the OWS crew do not believe in God but they will still steal from churches

[-] -2 points by gosso920 (-24) 8 years ago

Funny how Marxists decry religion as "the opiate of the masses," then go scurrying to the churches for shelter.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 8 years ago

funny how you equate federal regulation of the money supply, the commerce clause, and taxes as marxism. You need to buy yourself a clue and quick too

[-] -1 points by trailerParkTim (-13) 8 years ago

They are nothing but sponges

[+] -4 points by trailerParkTim (-13) 8 years ago

Oh my God!!!!!!

[+] -4 points by trailerParkTim (-13) 8 years ago

Thieves all of em, this is unreal

[-] 2 points by Coyote1983 (61) 8 years ago

That's enough of that, Mr Gingrich.