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Forum Post: Hold the PRESSES!! Bernie Sanders gives a great speech in the well.

Posted 2 years ago on June 14, 2012, 8:25 a.m. EST by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ
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Jiffy sent me this, does that make us “co-conspirators”?

OMG, could “they” be right? If so, where the hell are my paychecks?

Anyway while I figure this out, you guys should watch this speech:

http://www.upworthy.com/an-amazing-speech-from-one-of-the-last-good-men-in-politics?c=upw1

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[-] 3 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

and I thought people liked Brenie

[-] 4 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

"The American People Are Angry" by Bernie Sanders,

"Today the wealthiest 400 individuals in America own more wealth than the bottom half of America, 150 million people.

"Today, the six heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune now own more wealth than the bottom 30% of the American people. One family owns more wealth than the bottom 30%, 90 million Americans.

"Today the top 1% own 40% of all of the wealth in America. The top 1% owns 40% of all the wealth in America. What do we think the bottom 60% of the American people own ?"

fiat justitia ...

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It seems we are losing focus on this simple fact.

Thanks for the reminder shadz.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

But remember there are about 140,000,000 tax payers so the top 1% is about 1,400,000 so the list is a lot longer than just 400 and that's why when tthese guys say crap about taxing the top 400, the numbers change when you start talking abot a million in the Royal class that's why this will be no cakewalk, It will happen though because if we don't do something, in a few years it will be down to 400 rich guys.

[-] 2 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/

I send him money even though he is not my Senator. He has to fight the corporate money.

[-] 2 points by krmlei (103) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Great speech! Right on target: there IS a war that Wall Street is waging on the poor and middleclass.

The National Debt cannot be brought down by cutting spending on growth. That only reduces GDP and increases the Debt to GDP ratio.The government should be investing. The government needs income from taxing the rich. There is NO OTHER WAY

EU is going the path of Austerity and its a disaster. Let's not make the same mistake

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

They created the debt because they wish to own the world, he who owns the debt, owns the debtor.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

A debate on extending the bush cuts; on a day when the middle-class gets hit with a huge tax INCREASE thru the ACA and SCOTUS. B Sanders is one of the few that stands up for us ........... The silence from others is deafening.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Single payer now! before the madate hits us, this is the time to push forward again:

http://occupywallst.org/article/we-demand-real-healthcare-99/#comments

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

I just posted this to VQkag2

My concern is that a for-profit system is going to have shareholders expecting a return on their investments and insurance companies finding clever ways to accommodate that expectation, exploiting this windfall, while paying their executives exorbitant salaries. They've sure done it before. Corporations are all about the money! Greed is why HC is so expensive. We're #1 in cost - #37 in care. The ACA does nothing to address culture; the delivery system, or remove the vampires that INCREASE our HC costs.

Watch the videos on these pages, for some good ideas on culture and the delivery system:

http://www.dylanratigan.com/2012/04/10/spend-less-get-more-the-best-solution-for-any-health-network/

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/dylan-ratigan-show/46997529#47880533

Besides, do you realize how many people that are living paycheck to paycheck, in this economy, with declining wages, that cannot afford health insurance, but will be deemed "making enough", thereby having to pay a penalty or tax (and receive nothing for the tax). Everyone's debt and expenses are different. The way I see it - It's a blow to the middle class.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Flipping on the public option and the mandate really sucked, I can't believe he couldn't hold onto the public option it would of been better to have nothing, but I feel for those that will be helped, but it was a kick to the gorin of working people.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

I agree FF. This is quite a shift from what he campaigned on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpIM0vFbFck&feature=player_embedded#!

I hope you have the chance view the links above. Cheers :)

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

This is a tough fight, some would even say war, at times like this one must use the tools at hand, the Republicans must be stopped and any diversion from that goal will make us too weak to stop the 1%, believe me I know disappointment, I once loved Nader he told the truth back then, but when we had a chance to really tip the scales against the 1% he was the one that rode to their rescue. Now people like Gary Johnson would have us do it again, we must join together to slay the beast, or lose.

[-] 2 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

I know where you're going with this FF; and I'm not going there. I'm DONE being a Lemming. When engaging in war, you must identify the enemy. I contend that the peoples' enemies are corporations and the congress ( BOTH D's & R's) that they purchase. This law is a perfect example. The D's adopted this plan from the R's; it benefits corps. and taxes middle America. The D's & R's have the same goals; to represent their 1% bank rollers and sell their BS to us. The D's did a bait and switch, and the SC set the hook. They are both the same, but use different rhetoric to give the illusion of division. Smoke & Mirrors.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I think there is a path that will work and one that won’t, one of the biggest problems is people seem to overlook the huge problems with people like Gray Johnson who often would effectively turn America entirely over to the corporations in the name of freedom. I think there are lots of things to be mad about, but that don’t mean I don’t know how bad Republicans are. “Hot spotting” requires taking action outside the “free enterprise” system BTW.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Thanx for the reply FF. Cheers

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Bernie doing what Bernie does best.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

The worst part is most people not only will never hear these important words from Bernie... but many are also likely to disagree with him and call him a crazy liberal. We live in sad times with a lot of ignorant citizens.

I've read and heard a lot from Bernie, but this was definitely his finest moment.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

to me this is what it about, sharing stuff like this, credit to "js" aka jiffy, you, me, he all disagree but where we find common ground no reason we can't all swing separate swords at the monster, the 1% will not go down without a fight

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

Exactly!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

dude on CNN talking about the eruo zone will "tip over" the clift, in case you're wondering it will, and the "budget plan" never had a chance either

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28187) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

I love this speech - it is viral worthy.

http://www.upworthy.com/an-amazing-speech-from-one-of-the-last-good-men-in-politics?c=upw1

Share it circulate it People - this is a dose of reality.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

same link good speech

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (28187) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is a great speech that is why the CorpoRats are avoiding it like the plague.

HaH - CorpoRats - plague.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

some don't like him using "war" so much, I do think that's a word that's overused, but the meaning here is really good, so I'm willing to give him his words, after all he is passionate about that of which he speaks

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (28187) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is a concept that is or can be grasped by the average person.

Comparative speaking opens doors to further receptivity.

Gain the attention and expand on it from there.

You have to have a starting point.

Then work at shifting the paradigm.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I accept that there are many paths, I agree with those that consider the words are important, that they shape the way we think and apporach subjects, having said that Bernie is a master and I am but a grasshopper

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28187) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

{:-])

[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

Could we ever be worthy of an Alan Grayson and Bernie Sanders Congress?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

we just need to send more like them

[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

That's going to conditionally require... Voting!

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Especially in the primaries, we got to stop these “bi-partisan” fools (like Obama).

[-] 2 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

FDR needed pushing and got it. Obama needed pushing and got wimp-outs!

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 2 years ago

I am especially embarrassed because our Senator basically broke the public option while we sat on our hands. Then primaried her and lost to a Cheap-Labor Conservative.

Every time one of our folks bitches about the health care bill being to little I ask them if they Occupied Blanche Lincoln when the pressure was on her.

[-] 2 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

We have to be proactive. Lincoln is a disgrace. Although we never hear a thing from or about them, there is an active Progressive Caucus and I should have a tab for them on my browser, but I don't. We have much to do.

Posted a thing on Holder, please enter your most "Fox Lies" ridiculous question. Why is Holder hiding the Obama-Christine Odonnell love child???? Hmmmm????? Have fun!!!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

good to see you js, healthcare uphelded, almost wanted mandate overturned, but Roberts stepped in and saved the insurance companies in the end

[-] 3 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

If we give Obama a mandate, we can join the rest of the world and get a public healthcare system. But not with all these RW traitors in Congress.

One of the rose-colored bubbleheads just denied the Class War. If this continues, we're getting Nut'n Honey!

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Obama has to win or Romney gets the Court, however after Nov. we got to find somebody to lead the ticket in four years that won't be a bi-partisan bitch and we got to take control of the primaries to the extent possible to accomplish what Maher was talking about “I got to deal with these guys” . This will be easier to do if OWS moves to defeat some people who thought they were safe and if it does that to Republicans has the added effect of making things better.

[-] 1 points by JS93 (-321) 2 years ago

What is Eric Holder really hiding about 2016???? Hmmmm??? Where are the files??? Hmmmm???

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I like Bernie, but I dont agree with estate taxes. I think we can get this thing turned around without having to take dead people's money that should be going to their kids.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

let me be clear daddy only being able to leave you 5 million instead of 5 billion ain't a problem, how you going to get the car fixed so you can to work, that's a problem

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

inherited money is the root of all evil, 99% over 5 million NOW, till they have paid the debt THEY ran up!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

sheezz..

I know some millionaires, they are far from the problem, and they worked hard for 40 years to get there.

Besides, the tax code is such that you can make all the estate tax rules you want, they can just get around it.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

don't personalize things, it's not personal, Americans have 60 trillion in holdings mostly among the very rich, they have been sending the people to Washington for decades with their contributions now I say let them at least pay what they can over 5 million when they die, really it's the least they can do, it’s not personal it’s just some benefitted from this debt creation and some didn’t, hardly fair to ask those that didn’t to pay the bill when people hardly get health care and education now and they say we have to pay this debt? Didn’t we cut taxes to grow the ecomnony? What’s wrong with letting those that benefitted pay the bill?

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

Of course its not personal for you, because no one you know would be affected by it. Ive seen you react very personally to certain things that hit home.

Im all for erasing the current tax code and redoing it, not allowing offshoring of profits, etc.

But something just doesnt sit right with me knowing that our gov will come and take someones money once they are dead. That just doesnt seem moral or right to me.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Look growing up thinking you're going to get a billion then finding out it's only 5 million may be shocking to someone, but in the long they will most likely be better off, what I mean is like when the GOP say it's not personal when they got to cut somebody off welfare it's for the good of the country, I mean not personal like that, sure I know what you mean those Republican bastards don't know anyone personally affected, but still sometime you go where the money is, and right now the only people with any money are the 1%, it's not personal, we just got this ass bill; to pay so we can keep things going, people who have benefited should be proud of any over 5 million they can kick in.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I can see your point. I just think that if we addressed the issues that led to this nonsense, we wouldnt have to take dead people's money.

But something has to be done, and I guess taking it from them when they are dead may be easier than donig it alive :)

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You really think you can hurt dead people?

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

fuck war speech

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

hey I updated flash didn't help

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

someone should tell john stewart his site is not accessible

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

the trolls will stop at nothing (back up i think)

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

thought for sure they would jump on this, I guess I'm blacklisted?

[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

"Mr President. There is war a war going on, and I'm not referring to the war if Afghanistan or the war in Iraq"

or Libya or Pakistan or Yemen ... ( I'm sure Trever can list more)

If Sanders means to talk about war, He should be speaking about the real ones

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6845) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

there are real casualties in the class war too