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Forum Post: Here's what happens when Democrats run things.

Posted 5 years ago on June 26, 2012, 8:46 p.m. EST by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT
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Vote Obama 2012 and let's make the entire country like California! YAY!

I especially love this quote full of jumbled analogies and bad grammar.

"If any municipality declares bankruptcy, whether it's Stockton or anyone else, what really doing is sealing their own economic death warrant, because it makes it that much harder to dig out of an economic hole,"



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[-] 1 points by WageSlave (117) 5 years ago

Apologies for being too hasty and not recognizing sarcasm! However, there are many here that believe in voting democrat. So that last comment is to them!

[-] 1 points by WageSlave (117) 5 years ago

You would vote for George Bush if he ran as the democrat in the general election too I suppose. Obama's track record -- voted for the patriot act (despite talking tough), voted for NDAA with kidnapping provisions, continued Bushs wars and extended the one in Afghanistan. Initiated drone strikes. Sold out on healthcare reform (don't even talk about compromise, he took single payer off the table from the start. He was bought out). Turned his back on whistleblowers like Bradley Manning, allowing for his torture and imprisonment while the murderers get off easy. If it wasn't for Manning we would still be in Iraq (we were forced out because of the leaked tape). Keystone pipeline anyone?? Hope and change we can believe in? Corporate puppet. We can't succeed with the politics of fear. History proves that irrefutably.

[-] -1 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 5 years ago

I didn't vote for GWB in the first place. Democrat or Republican I'd still not vote for him. Single payer? THAT WONT WORK AND IT'LL BANKRUPT THE COUNTRY. Are you kidding? Where would all the money come from to pay for that? Tax the rich? LOLOLOLfuckingLOLOLOL The rich make about 200 billion dollars a year. That's what the Government makes in 1 month. Single payer? We can't afford the shit we have already let alone everyone being able to use free healthcare on a whim.

Bradley Manning leaked classified documents. That's an offense punishable by death. And that's what he should get.

Ya lets ditch the pipeline and pave the entire fucking country in solar panels. Then we'd only have to buy 1/2 of our gas from Canada, Brazil, and the Saudis.

Politics of fear is a funny line considering last August Oblahblah said that SSI checks wouldn't go out unless they raised the debt ceiling. Harry Reid said that the entire system would grind to a halt. Politics of fear my ass.

Fear of less spending more like it.

[-] 1 points by shadzworth (-394) 5 years ago

Ass kick'in post,you told the truth,thanks.

[-] 1 points by WageSlave (117) 5 years ago

Bankrupt the country? We spend almost as much on military defense as all the countries in the world combined (some argue more), while also occupying 140 countries with some 400 military bases. Add to that all the resources we're throwing at Afghanistan and the drone strikes. You're seriously going to sit there and try to claim single payer healthcare would BANKRUPT the country? Well, I suppose the Canadian government is just rolling in dough, huh? Slash the military budget in half and end the military imperialism and we not only could afford single payer healthcare, but we could offer tuition free higher education as well, which would likely pay for itself in the added contributions to GDP.

And you also feel Bradley Manning should be put to death? I suppose there's no such thing as justice when our government is guilty, huh? Manning swore in his Oath of Enlistment to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." I suppose we should edit out the "domestic" part.

Don't even get me started on the energy issue. If you honestly think we need that pipeline you're deluded.

[-] 0 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 5 years ago

I agree that we could do with a lot less military spending, especially if we were allowed to fight the war to win instead of making nice nice and trying to make money off of it. And do you honestly think that the government who can't even do medicare and medicaide right would actually do a good job with umbrella free healthcare? It would be a nightmare.

I also agree with the free college, but that's what the GI Bill is for. Do some time actually serving someone else or your country and you get rewarded. Most people who cry for free college haven't done a damned thing to earn it. Also, not everyone needs to go to college. Can you imagine how class would be if every retard off the street was in your psychology class asking questions? Nope, I'd rather pay for my schooling thank you very much.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

the roads work fine

[-] 1 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 5 years ago

Don't know how insurance works, huh? Consider that Medicare spends 97% on medical care. The profit insurance companies are currently at 80% by the health care law. They lobbied their asses off to get it down to 80% and are currently whining their asses off about it. There have already been rebates to policy holders when they go over that. Single payer would eliminate all that overhead. So we would pay 17% less at least. Rates are set to cover losses. Did you happen to notice the the government is much more efficient that private enterprise?

Oh, and you get the ultimate risk pool. Everybody. Single payer is a no brainer.

[-] 0 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 5 years ago

LOL Government is more efficient than enterprise? You're either smoking crack or your parents were brother and sister.

Private businesses need to make a PROFIT to stay in business and to expand. Government steals every dime it gets, and it squanders it on public education which happens to produce kids that rank in the bottom percentile in almost EVERY category, along with several other departments that perform WAY below their private counterparts.

Private business needs to work on a budget. Private businesses need to make their quotas, and meet their bottom line, otherwise they're out of business.

How much in business loans does the Government owe? Oh that's right, 16.2 Trillion dollars and they STILL want to spend money on 99 weeks of unemployment and food stamps for 47 Million people.

Ya, government is waaay more efficient.

This country is turning into a bunch of lazy pieces of shit. And you know what happens when more people are in the cart than are pushing the cart? The cart stops, which is exactly what is happening to our economy. Letting the government raise the debt ceiling endlessly expecting them to all of a sudden get their act together and spend us out of this hole is like giving an alcoholic cheap booze thinking that they're going to drink themselves sober.

[-] 0 points by HempTwister (667) from Little Rock, AR 5 years ago

97% vs 80%. They wanted in on the Medicare business. Thought they could do better than the government. But they were wrong. So they asked for welfare checks from your tax money so they could make a profit. And they got it. Called Medicare Advantage.

That is where the mythical $500,000,000 Medicare cuts come from. They stopped the corporate welfare. How many times have we heard about this? So are the Republicans ignorant or are they lying?

[-] 0 points by WageSlave (117) 5 years ago

Businesses also cut corners to lower costs and maximize profits. That includes providing the lowest quality care for the maximum price while remaining competitive (until they can acquire a monopoly). If they provided the highest quality care for the lowest possible price they wouldn't be in business long. It also requires cyclical consumption. What do you think that does to a healthcare system? It makes prolonged treatment preferable to quicker, cheaper (for the consumer) solutions. Conflicts of interest. These conflicts of interest are why modern health insurance companies will seek any reason to drop you from coverage if they feel you aren't a good investment for them. It's a natural byproduct of the business process.

[-] 0 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 5 years ago

If you're in business and you don't try to cut corners and maximize your profits then you're trying to go out of business. Try opening a business and not making a profit. See how long you're around.

[-] 1 points by WageSlave (117) 5 years ago

Exactly. Which is why it is dangerous and inefficient to privatize healthcare, and why regulation is a necessity (even Adam Smith noted that!).

[-] 0 points by shadzworth (-394) 5 years ago

Knocked it out of the park again!!

[-] 0 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 5 years ago

Thanks man!

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

absolutely, Government is more efficient than enterprise

government serves the people

while private companies serve a disassociated share holder

[-] 0 points by JonFromSLC (-107) from West Valley City, UT 5 years ago

you're a dolt man.

Government steals from people to pay other people. What do the people who get paid do to get it? Nothing. And what do the people who actually pay get? 40-50 hours a week working.

Government doesn't serve anyone but special interests. Which is funny because the news media has broken down the entire country into special interests where everyone is more needy and everyone is more divided.

Not all private companies have share holders twit. And while I'm on shareholders, do you know where 90% of retirement funds have money? In business holdings. Don't like business? Don't retire.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

absolutely, Government is more efficient than enterprise

government serves the people

while private companies serve a disassociated share holder or private owners


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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

ya california sucks

we should fight

I love to hate

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[-] 0 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

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