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Forum Post: Here's the kind of people we're up against

Posted 6 years ago on Jan. 30, 2012, 4:35 a.m. EST by Nordic (390)
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In any protest, if there's violence, vandalism, or crime, you can bet there's an extremely good chance it's done by Agent Provocateurs. In other words: Cops. Posing as protestors, tearing shit up, making the protestors look bad, to keep public opinion on the side of "the authorities".

The LAST thing they want is for this stuff to catch on. It's their greatest fear. Their nightmare.

So they send in people to fuck it up.

The article below demonstrates the depths to which these inhuman fuckers will sink in order to mess with the public's desire for change:


Undercover police had children with activists

Disclosure likely to intensify controversy over long-running police operation to infiltrate and sabotage protest groups

Two undercover police officers secretly fathered children with political campaigners they had been sent to spy on and later disappeared completely from the lives of their offspring, the Guardian can reveal. In both cases, the children have grown up not knowing that their biological fathers – whom they have not seen in decades – were police officers who had adopted fake identities to infiltrate activist groups. Both men have concealed their true identities from the children's mothers for many years.

One of the spies was Bob Lambert, who has already admitted that he tricked a second woman into having a long-term relationship with him, as part of an intricate attempt to bolster his credibility as a committed campaigner.

The second police spy followed the progress of his child and the child's mother by reading confidential police reports which tracked the mother's political activities and life. The disclosures are likely to intensify the controversy over the long-running police operation to infiltrate and sabotage protest groups.

Police chiefs claim that undercover officers are strictly forbidden from having sexual relationships with the activists they are spying on, describing the situations as "grossly unprofessional" and "morally wrong".

But that claim has been undermined as many of the officers who have been unmasked have admitted to, or have been accused of, having sex with the targets of their surveillance.

Last month eight women who say they were duped into forming long-term intimate relationships of up to nine years with five undercover policemen started unprecedented legal action. They say they have suffered immense emotional trauma and pain over the relationships, which spanned the period from 1987 to 2010.

Until now it was not known that police had secretly fathered children while living undercover. One of them is Lambert, who adopted a fake persona to infiltrate animal rights and environmental groups in the 1980s.

After he was unmasked in October, he admitted that as "Bob Robinson" he had conned an innocent woman into having an 18-month relationship with him, apparently so that he could convince activists he was a real person. She is one of the women taking the legal action against police chiefs.

Now the Guardian can reveal that in the mid-1980s, just a year into his deployment, Lambert fathered a boy with another woman, who was one of the activists he had been sent to spy on.

The son lived with his mother during the early years of his life as his parents' relationship did not last long. During that time, Lambert was in regular contact with the infant, fitting visits to him around his clandestine duties.

After two years, the mother married another man and both of them took responsibility for raising the child. Lambert says the woman was keen that he give up his legal right to maintaining contact with his son and cut him out of her new life. He says the agreement was reached amicably and he has not seen or heard of the mother or their son since then.

Lambert did not tell her or the child that he was a police spy as he needed to conceal his real identity from the political activists he was spying on. The Guardian is not naming the woman or the child to protect their privacy.

Lambert was married during his secret mission, which continued until 1988.

The highly secretive operation to monitor and disrupt political activists, which has been running for four decades, has come under mounting scrutiny since last year following revelations over the activities of Mark Kennedy, the undercover police officer who went rogue after burying himself deep in the environmental movement for seven years.

Police chiefs and prosecutors have set up 12 inquiries over the past year to examine allegations of misconduct involving police spies, but all of them have been held behind closed doors. There have been continuing calls, including from the former director of public prosecutions Ken Macdonald, for a proper public inquiry.

The second case involves an undercover policeman who was sent to spy on activists some years ago. He had a short-lived relationship with a political activist which produced a child.

He concealed his real identity from the activist and child as he was under strict orders to keep secret his undercover work from her and the other activists in the group he infiltrated. He then disappeared, apparently after his superiors ended his deployment. Afterwards, she remained under surveillance as she continued to be politically active, while he carried on with his police career.

The Guardian understands that as he had access to the official monitoring reports, he regularly read details of her life with a close interest. He watched as she grew older and brought up their child as a single parent, according to an individual who is aware of the details of the case.

The policeman has been "haunted" by the experience of having no contact with the child, whom he thought about regularly, according to the individual.

Here's an excellent article detailing many of the agent provocateur actions that have been exposed in recent months, particularly at the Toronto G20 protests:

The Toronto G20 Riot Fraud: Undercover Police engaged in Purposeful Provocation




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[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22876) 6 years ago

I read the first few paragraphs, but it got too weird, Nordic. I couldn't finish.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 6 years ago

What monsters.

I always wondered while growing up and witnessing civil disturbances in other countries whether the U.S. police would side with the constitution and democracy or with orders. We have our answer. U.S. cops are house slaves eager to obey their 1% masters -- eager to obey while their pensions are targetted for looting. Not only freedom hating, but stupid.

[-] 1 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 6 years ago

While in any community it is possible for law enforcement to engage in the practice you describe, I think it is less likely to occur in the U.S. than in other countries today - and the reason is because of the blow back from this practice during the 1960s.

There is documented evidence of this kind of activity by the right wing where no ties to law enforcement can be shown -

Wiki on James E. O'Keefe III

  • James E. O'Keefe III (born June 28, 1984) is a conservative American activist who has produced audio and video recordings of staged encounters with public figures and workers in a variety of organizations, purportedly showing abusive or illegal behavior by representatives of those organizations. He gained national attention for his release of video recordings of workers at ACORN offices in 2009, his arrest in early 2010 at the office of Senator Mary Landrieu in a failed attempt to record staff conversations, and release of videos of NPR executives in 2011. Investigations by both legal authorities and journalists have found O'Keefe has "selectively", "heavily" or "deceptively" edited secretly recorded videos to leave a false impression and present the subjects in the worst possible ligh
[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 6 years ago

Explain how you are connected to this movement. Are you given orders. Are you just a random supporter that posts here? Do you attend any of the protests? I am not trying to pry, I just am curious to how you know when it is time to attend a function or perform a certain operation.

[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 6 years ago

Saw the pictures. Unless Oakland cops are usually between the age of 18-25, it's not agents.

[-] 1 points by Nordic (390) 6 years ago

From the Oakland PD's own site, under "career opportunities":

"Cadets are hourly part-time employees who receive training and experience in various aspects of the police service. Cadets may be rotated through a variety of assignments designed to stimulate their interest in professional police services. The program is comprised of intensive supervision, counseling, training and evaluation to develop their leadership qualities and prepare them for careers in law enforcement. Cadets shall be held strictly accountable for courtesy and professional conduct.

Minimum Qualifications

Must be at least 17.5 but no older than 20.5 to be eligible in the program Must be a high school senior planning to attend an accredited college or university the next regular quarter or semester following graduation from high school Possess a valid unrestricted California driver’s license Have no felony convictions"

So there ya go. 17.5 to 20.5 years old.

[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 6 years ago

So let's get this straight. A severely cash strapped police force is using their teenage cadets to break into city hall, destroy a child's art display and burn the flag to get a peaceful protest out of their town?

One might make the suggestion that OWS sent in their cadets for a mission of rampage to get a good media showing -and to create hatred towards the police.. Maybe a recruiting tactic. I am not saying that is the case, but who should people believe?

[-] 1 points by Nordic (390) 6 years ago

I tend to believe the people, not the cops.

And what does "severely cash strapped police force" have to do with anything? Cops can be rented anywhere. On Wall Street, the bankers just have to pick up the phone and have cops delivered to wherever the bankers want. In Los Angeles, the film industry can do the same. Private money can hire cops any time they want.

[-] 0 points by slammersworldisback (-217) 6 years ago

Yeah...two policemen make the rule.....are you high?

there are limits on what is free speech and free association..when you infringe on the rights of others that is where your rights end...and where law takes over...

Stay within the law and you are fine and will be unmolested......

But, that isn't enough with some of you, unless your in peoples faces, they don't care, or listen, so you get angry and forceful.....just like all Mobs do.....