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Forum Post: help wanted: dependent thinker willing to submit to middle manager puppeteers for a small fee

Posted 2 years ago on May 21, 2015, 9:08 a.m. EST by elf3 (3772)
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Isn't this how the want adds should really read? It is expected as we cross the threshold each morning and enter our jobs we must set not just Democracy at the door but discount our precious time as we submit our lives to a system that has little benefit to us. Our sense of wonder is suspended, our bodies and minds temporarily though also ultimately permanently leased to a sociopathic corporate machine that has little regard for the qualities that make up our humanity. If we try to escape in our own niche they sniff us out and force competition down our throats commanding ownership not just of our markets...but ultimately our lives with a pocket politician holstered on their hips and an endless financial chest to shield them from any challenge and clear away every hurdle. This way of life has infiltrated and controls our every waking action now. There is little escape, there is little ability to live life independently or to express the qualities that make up our humanity. Our species has been tethered and tied and forced to comply with something that can not and will not consider the most very basic fundamental qualities within us nor our natural desire to be independent and self reliant... I now believe that anyone who can thrive within these conditions has learned how to set aside being human, to suspend their own natural makeup, and learned how to submit willingly to control, and quite probably devoid of any ability for independent thought; they don't just comprise the system, they also collectively perpetuate it...I see our collective failure to demand different, to demand that corporations form themselves around our society rather than the other way around. When we use the term jobs...we must also ask the question of what those jobs really serve especially when it is we who serve them and are being farmed for our labor with as little in return as possible for our output. We must also see that education is not the answer to this much deeper problem.

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[-] 0 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 2 years ago

There is little doubt that the.01% think of themselves as Gentleman Farmers.The actual Owners are people whose names and faces are not familiar to us.We do know the Farmhands-the 1%.So it does bring to my mind the chilling image of a Rich Farmer contemplating a herd of cattle that he has discovered is desirous of not only taking over the Farm,but turning him and his family into ordinary cattle,barely distinguishable from the others.

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

Yes the wealthy are mentally and now physically separating themselves...touting free market libertarianism...but they forget a free market can't exist when the cards are stacked and monopolies aligned from our births. We don't all start off on the same road. So to say somehow we all have this exact same playing field is complete bullshit and they just disregard and keep touting. An even playing field means Walmart can't outbid Tom the grocer from owning or renting a location from which to run his store...or with its massive compiled monopoly money use its massive buying power to undercut your prices and ability to pay your rent to survive. Big business has killed the entrepreneur, turned us all into their employees, and are now bribing our government to further have their way with us. They want to be able to cheat us, sell us poisonous food, destroy our lands, and turn us into their servants. They will no longer let us have our own businesses....they bribe government to make red tape and problems which cost only what monopolies can pay to get around. The fundamental problem here isn't unions, or wages...it is the war on entrepreneurship and individual business owners. We need to have a butcher baker and candlestick maker....a hat shop, a shop for every need...the mega store must be killed! We must bring back civilian ownership...rid ourselves of the outsourced off shore multinational conglomerate. And we can do this just by boycotting...we refuse to build them up with our hard earned money and sacrifices. We can do this. We can choose our purchases and limit our needs to bare minimum. Collectively if we all shift our behavior...we can kill theirs. It is that easy.

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

someone owns the property and collects rent

a reason ISIS is feared as property ownership is disputed and not regulated by the Internationale banks

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

So isis isn't feared because the kidnap and behead people? Perhaps the fact that they relegate their female population to status of dog? Or force their religious fanaticism down all our throats? Sorry you lost me...what the hell are u talking about?

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

those beheading were all committed by an anonymous person claiming to be ISIS

black disguises <> representation

saudi arabia does beheading i hear

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Yeah, but that don't count. The Kingdom is one of our allies.

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

If that is true that it's a truman show fabrication...I could give you that except for the accounts of the atrocities, acid thrown in womens faces, rapes in which the victim gets executed, communities taken over and living in fear, stonings...the entire middle east just doesn't really do much to assuage the fears of more advanced civilizations...while not without problems and yes our corrupt corporations....our civilians live without daily fears of violence and control of their ideas. Women are not subservient to men. We are respected and valued. To us the middle east mindset may as well equate to cavemen. Animalistic. Treatment towards eachother in those countries is just archaic .

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

At one time, some of those countries had the most advanced cililizations in the World. In Spain.. at a time when it was ruled by the Moors,..... Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together fairly harmoniously, and had advances that were not seen in other places.. Most of the rest of Europe at the time was in what was called the Dark Ages, where the Catholic church controlled almost all aspects of human life. That church went on unimpeded, all around the World to commit some of the most heinous acts of abuse imaginableof to children, and they did that for years, and years...with NO consequences! ..btw, I was baptized catholic

Do you think the massive incarceration of people in this country is justified, especially when we let criminal bankers go free? Is it a sign that our society is decaying from our neglect? How about sexualizing women to sell consumer products? Was that Bernay's idea? And what about the depleted uranium bombs we used in Iraq, which still cause horrendous birth defects? And let's not forget the drones, and kids being afraid to go to school.

Passing judgement, thinking your country is superior, and in particular, doing so on another society, one that has been subjugated by capitalism and the West for well over one hundred years is called being, 'ethnocentric.'

If you want people to empathize, and support you with your hardships, you should take the time to understand there's. BTW, have you ever had those Middle Eastern cookies? They're deliclious.

I wonder how the Middle East would have developed if they never had found oil there. What should have been a blessing for them, turned into the West carving it up....installing brutal.. despotic leaders and the West exploiting their resources.

Ironically one lovely, young lady that I know has attended, John Jay School of Criminal Justice. That's where the Left Forum will be.

EDIT; Both her and her sister are Muslims

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

I don't make excuses for anyone...not wallstreet, not our government or apathetic largely ignorant population, not killers, not rapists, not thugs...the daddy doesn't love me arguments are growing old though. Go hug a gang member terrorist today...and just because I'm calling them out on their actions doesn't mean I don't understand it isn't black or white the world is full of gray and exceptions nonetheless I would probably not choose the middle east as a vacation spot to take my daughters. Nor would I visit Detroit. People make the world what it is and isn't....not circumstances....not forces beyond our control....that mentality is what is ruining the planet and society...as well as religious interpretations or societal circumstances that amount to justifying harm to other people and or subjugation of women, nature, and all human beings.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

I was not trying to be an apologist in my previous comment, but I was trying to make you realize that your views are shortsighted. The atrocities that happen in the Middle East are not happening in a vacuum. Instead ethnic hatreds have been revived which to a large degree has served the corrupt system well. And we, having hegemonic pursuits, did not go there to stabilize, and bring peace to the region.

The Bernay's driven ill effects of neoliberalism are pervasive in our society, and most of us have been 'infected', perhaps without realizing it, including me. They have propagated divisions, and insensitivity both within this country, and our views of the World. Humbly, I'm still undergoing an epiphany in realizing the World is not how the MSM, and our corrupt leaders have portrayed it to be.

You have written some very compelling posts on here that have had me riveted. From them, my own experiences and other people who I have listened to, I have grown, and realize the World does not tick in the way that I thought it did for most of my life.

Our plights may be different, but the cause is the same. A criminal elite that prioritizes the interests of big money, and minimizes the value of human life.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

All people aren't equally blessed with all the best qualities of humanity and though some things in us can be innate - others are correlated to, if not 'dictated by' ''circumstances'', some of which is ''beyond out of our control''. Eg. please consider children in ''AfPak'' ... growing up under constant Drone Terror.

The best of who we are, can be nurtured but circumstances can conspire to do the reverse. We are all responsible for our actions individually, I do not contend that but who and how we are is the product of internal and external; innate and learned; nature and nurture; our internal thoughts and external reality.

Finally sister-elf - please try to closely consider the implications of this very interesting article... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/08/poverty-race-ethnicity-dna-telomeres_n_7228530.html

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

Ok so inherently bad nature that is nurtured...is it my job to figure out the seeds of evil or protect myself and loved ones from it? While I would like to believe people are capable of reform ...can an evil person be changed? More likely, they will always try to justify their behavior ( Hitler ring a bell)...can a wallstreet hedge fund banker be brought to compassion? Can a criminal who rapes and pillages? Society's answer for evil people is rule of law. The way to contain it is confinement. We can't suddenly say it is ok to let people trample others because of this or that. A general consensus is formed as to what is acceptable...when someone crosses that boundary line...( wall street or isis) there are repercussions...or should be in my opinion. Now one can definitely argue the nature of the repercussions and what they should be...and I think we do a lot. The law allows for much gray area. In middle eastern societies very black and white as well as very archaic ideas...their societies aren't free they live under religious lock down with no room for debate. We have the luxury of having this discussion right now...it is a beautiful thing. One wall street is trying to change. They seem to be above any rule of law. That is a bad thing. Justification can be bad too. Part of the journey into adult hood is the quest for ones own morality honing the compass...finding right vs wrong...discovering our own ability to reject or accept who we want to be in this world...while I more than agree many have a much harder battle than others ( lucky sperm club born into freedom wealth etc)...we still have to seek out the right road...it is universal and perhaps our purpose. We don't need to find God....we need to find ourselves in my belief.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Ok so inherently bad nature that is nurtured...is it my job to figure out the seeds of evil or protect myself and loved ones from it? While I would like to believe people are capable of reform ...can an evil person be changed? More likely, they will always try to justify their behavior ( Hitler ring a bell)...can a wallstreet hedge fund banker be brought to compassion? Can a criminal who rapes and pillages?

Society's answer for evil people is rule of law. The way to contain it is confinement. We can't suddenly say it is ok to let people trample others because of this or that. A general consensus is formed as to what is acceptable...when someone crosses that boundary line...( wall street or isis) there are repercussions...or should be in my opinion.

Now one can definitely argue the nature of the repercussions and what they should be...and I think we do a lot. The law allows for much gray area. In middle eastern societies very black and white as well as very archaic ideas...their societies aren't free they live under religious lock down with no room for debate. We have the luxury of having this discussion right now...it is a beautiful thing.

One wall street is trying to change. They seem to be above any rule of law. That is a bad thing. Justification can be bad too. Part of the journey into adult hood is the quest for ones own morality honing the compass...finding right vs wrong...discovering our own ability to reject or accept who we want to be in this world...while I more than agree many have a much harder battle than others ( lucky sperm club born into freedom wealth etc)...we still have to seek out the right road...it is universal and perhaps our purpose. We don't need to find God....we need to find ourselves in my belief.

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Now that I have broken up your monolithic block of text, I will read it much better ... as my eyes are not what they once were. Though I find that I can agree with much of what you say above but as in my reply to you here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/amonymous-opworldbank/#comment-1060075 I've issues too.

I find my ire at the Venal Bankers totally trumps my ire at the loose morality of some other poorer, less advantaged people. The Parasitic Psychopathology is something they intentionally select for and that's just unconscionable. They're ignorant of and insulated from the very deleterious effects of their behavior and blight our society. Then of course there's the issue of their corruption and co-option of democracy!

I'll presume that you had time to look at the HuffPo link above but just in case not, here it is again... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/08/poverty-race-ethnicity-dna-telomeres_n_7228530.html

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

Yes me too on the venal bankers and those cut from the same cloth...why I can't say. Perhaps because they know what they are doing...and they hold the keys that are locking doors for the people of the world. They know they hold this power and yet they choose to bathe the world in suffering. That is a very bold statement being thrown right in our faces..." and just what are you going to do about it suckers...now get back to your station...now watch me take this putt " Desperate depressed people don't always make the right decisions because they are confused and their perceptions clouded...but as clear as day the power brokers know it, admit to it, and have no shame for it. The desperate...they will regret ( the worst punishment on earth) but the power brokers...no they will never ever regret it. Even if caught they won't truly feel the regret and pain of their choices. Yes i agree somehow I find it more loathsome. Sometimes under the right circumstances we could all find ourselves in the hell of regret...but not only do the power brokers not care...they are most often congratulated on their resourcefulness. I will try to take a peek at the links sorry haven't read yet. We aren't on opposite spectrums on this...we just have different angles i think.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''How America Became an Oligarchy'' by Ellen H. Brown - http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/04/07/how-america-became-an-oligarchy/ and we really agree on far more than we disagree on and that's normal and reasonable. Thanks for your thoughtful reply again and sorry to add to your reading list. Solidarity to you + http://ourfuture.org/20150522/connect-the-dots-big-banks-are-as-corrupt-as-ever-and-getting-worse

[-] 0 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

destruction is difficult to cover up

particularly in the form of explosions

[-] 0 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 2 years ago

I Twinkle you.I make all possible efforts to spend my few dollars in such a way as they will benefit my community.

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

Twinkle back to you

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

Having a job is not an indicator of free will...nor of happiness. We must widen our index to include our democratic ideals and desire for independence into our system of survival.

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

Cattle are clothed and housed also. The food is a return and fattens them up for consumption...we are fattened up as consumers putting back into wallstreet every penny what we take via rent, goods, and interest. Yet only one percent of us is getting rich, able to rest, and able to put their feet up and relax, pursue other interests , and express curiosity, wonder, and have time to enjoy this precious short life.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''Organized Labor Should Spend the Rest of 2015 Training Workers How to Fight''by David Goodner http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/30772-organized-labor-should-spend-the-rest-of-2015-training-workers-how-to-fight Also what you so rightly describe is what a certain KM called ''alienation and atomisation''.It need NOT be like that, hence my link and expression of solidarity to you and yours.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Good post. More than ever, organized labor has begun to coalesce with other groups that want social and economic justice, e.g, low wage workers including adjunct professors, immigrant groups, college kids, and religious & community groups.. Unlike before, you will see them side by side at demonstrations supporting each other because they know that their is strength in unity, Many people have come to the realization that the traditional form of grievance and redress has broken down. Unions have become far more militant, even run strike schools. And I know of high school kids in NY that are taking a class in activism, and they are being run by people who have a list of degrees after their name, And the changes in many of these unions are coming from the bottom, not the top.

Friends and I will be meeting with a person who was an organizer with the Free Walmart NYC group. And like most of our interactions, we will share what we have both learned, as to what works best and what doesn't.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

''No Respect for the Poor, Working or Not'' by Paul Street .. http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/No-Respect-for-the-Poor-Working-or-Not-20150520-0021.html Thank you for your insightful reply comment.I hope you'll see how the link compliments what you say. Educate; Agitate; Organise and have Solidarity.

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

Thanks for the link...private unions have lost much strength over the last decade...they are more about concessions now than gains...only we can give them their power back by growing and expanding who they represent. You have only to look at union pay vs non union to see that in fields where jobs can't be outsourced...the benefit of a union is clear cut. When we unionize and unions have power....workers win. I'm a huge advocate for retail and service sector unions...if corporations choose slave labor for everything that can be outsourced...then we must choose the opposite of slave labor here in this nation to send the message that we the people wnt control over our destiny and that that is what makes a nation free.

[-] 0 points by elf3 (3772) 2 years ago

But I will add getting paid well to submit to and perpetuate systems which do not value or consider our values time and lives is not the answer either.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 2 years ago

Consider that: ''The U.S. working class struggle for a Living Wage is also a political & moral struggle for basic decency, for self-respect, and for dignity.'' from ... ''No Respect for the Poor, Working or Not'' - By Paul Street - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41932.htm and strong, independent unions beholden and answerable only to their members has to be part of a better future for The 99%. Solidarity +fyi http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/how-swedes-and-norwegians-broke-the-power-of-the-1-percent/