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Forum Post: Help Fight TPTB Behind Rising Price Of Gas

Posted 2 years ago on Feb. 27, 2012, 5:41 p.m. EST by entropy (11) from Abingdon, VA
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I'm hoping this will go viral. I know the chances of the government actually doing this are slim but 20,0000 signatures on this petition would in my opinion at least send a "shot over the bow" of Big Oil and Wall Street Lobbyists. The Republicans are blaming President Obama for the rising cost of Gasoline. This is a petition to suggest to President Obama to take action that would hand that accusation back to them and veto Big Oil's Grip on the cost of living. Thanks for your time. In Solidarity from Virginia, Day 781 of corporate tyranny under Bob McDonnell http://www.change.org/petitions/the-president-of-the-united-states-a-workable-plan-to-lower-gas-prices-nationalize-gas-for-government-use Text of petition as follows: " When the price of gas increases the price of all commodities and energy increases. These are increases that are a direct threat to the security of the United States in the economic climate of 2012.

We ask President Obama to consider an executive order that would cancel all govt contracts with the fuel producers. This would be accompanied by a threat to seize millions of acres the oil companies haven't built wells or refineries on (both EPA approved since the 90's) and a plan for the Army Corps of engineers to erect government oil wells on. The oil from that would be refined to make gas for the federal government and the military thus upsetting the supply/ demand equations the Oil CEOs love to bring in to congress. If they object or it doesn't make prices go down they are on record and can be held in contempt. Ride the Bush coat-tails of executive order in the name of national security and justify it as the price of gas should be considered in these economic times a matter of national security. The speculators would be derailed, the politicizing would be put in check. We ask that you do this in conjunction with continued promotion of renewable energy to save the economy."

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[-] 1 points by entropy (11) from Abingdon, VA 2 years ago

I would like to hear more from the Occupy movement and it's supporters . I don't waiver too much from talking points from the Right. I feel that a lot of policies that got us in to "this mess" came from Corporation's input on our elected officials. The left isn't perfect by any means however if only given two choices, I'll turn left before being scared off by talking points. That stated I know this petition isn't suggesting a perfect solution. What it is suggesting is a way that the government could do something positive for the people, corporations be damned. I'm interested in how this idea can be amended or improved and look forward to moving the discussion in that direction. So as not to be lost in the shuffle the link to the petition on whitehouse.gov is : http://wh.gov/9ij

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[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 2 years ago

If big oil did not have to supply the government any longer they would just downsize. That is what any size company in any industry would do if it just lost a big chunk of business.

[-] 1 points by entropy (11) from Abingdon, VA 2 years ago

The refineries would still have to be manned. It would essentially have the opposite result as privatizing prisons. The wells, the trucking, all of it would create a whole new avenue of civil service jobs with benefits. Jobs with benefits outside of for profit scissors. Unless we let them get elected.

[-] -2 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Tell me why the government needs one drop of fuel?

Or even one single penny?

I can't imagine WHO, in their right mind, could possibly believe it is ok to allow Barack Hussien Obama to have the power to SEIZE private property to fuel government waste or consumption. Wait, it already happens!

"fight rising gas prices by allowing the Military and Federal Government to refine and drill it's own fuel.

When the price of gas increases the price of all commodities and energy increases. These are increases that are a direct threat to the security of the United States in the economic climate of 2012.

We ask President Obama to consider an executive order that would cancel all govt contracts with fuel industries. This would be accompanied by action to seize millions of acres the oil companies haven't built wells or refineries on.Both EPA approved.

The Army Corps of Engineers would erect government oil wells on this land. The oil from that would be refined to make gas for the federal government and the military thus upsetting the supply/ demand equations the Oil CEOs argued in front of congress. Being on public record they can then be found in contempt if gas prices continue to rise."

[-] 0 points by entropy (11) from Abingdon, VA 2 years ago

The government get's it now. The only difference is that they buy it and the money spent on it is money from tax payers. The wealthy don't foot as much of the bill because they pay less of a percentage. Working people foot individually a bigger portion. Gas companies seized Federal land, if you want to paint it that way and how much private property owned by citizens has been taken through eminent domain to build pipelines ,highways and land to satisfy big business? The Federal Government uses a lot of fuel. Would you rather it be self sufficient or on the backs of the working class along with millions in profits for companies like Halliburton, Exxon and BP?

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

all those problems you listed were from government not business.

What happens when your taxed heavily for not buying a GM car ever think of that. Government should build or sell anything it isn't a fair practice

[-] 1 points by entropy (11) from Abingdon, VA 2 years ago

Government would not be selling it. Private companies would still handle the domestic market.

[-] 1 points by DanielBarton (1345) 2 years ago

but wouldn't they if they drilled it and sold it to the oil companies to have a fair business we need business out of government and government out of business

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

What makes a lot more sense is to radically downsize government and allow everyday people to govern within sounds constraints. ie........ cannot spend what you don't have..

[-] 0 points by incomeforall (64) 2 years ago

Obama's hostility to energy independence and lack of any kind of plan to lower the price of fuel are major causes of our current energy costs. Both Obama and energy secretary Chu are on record as wanting "European type" prices for American consumers in order to lower usage.

There is no magic to our high energy prices, they are exactly what Obama wanted them to be. Even though Cap an Trade failed Obama had the EPA institute the production restrictions he talks about in the clip below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHL404zhcU

[-] 1 points by entropy (11) from Abingdon, VA 2 years ago

The EPA approved two major refineries in the 90's. Neither was built. Big Oil owns millions of acres without a single well being constructed. The only way for them to increase their profits each quarter is to raise the price and it's being done through Wall Street Speculation and fear mongering on Iran. Your argument doesn't paint the whole portrait. It's barely 1%.

[-] 1 points by incomeforall (64) 2 years ago

You should research your own dogma. Try getting a permit to drill those "millions of acres". I provide a clip of Obama wanting higher energy prices and you give me tired leftist talking points, no wonder you folks are losing. :)

[-] 1 points by entropy (11) from Abingdon, VA 2 years ago

"In the CBS This Morning interview, the former House speaker went on to say this: Steven "Chu, his secretary of Energy, said he wanted in 2008 said he wanted gasoline prices in America to get to the European level which is $9 or $10 a gallon."

This is accurate: Chu told the Wall Street Journal in September 2008, before joining the Obama administration, that, "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe." His argument was that Americans need to be coaxed into buying more energy-efficient cars and living closer to work.

What Gingrich doesn't mention is that Chu has long since reversed that position, and that the White House has long said it does not favor increasing gas prices. In the Wall Street Journal story that includes the Chu quote, Mr. Obama is quoted as saying an increase in gas taxes would be a "mistake."" From "Fact Checking Newt Gingrich on gas prices" http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57381846-503544/fact-checking-newt-gingrich-on-gas-prices/

[-] 1 points by incomeforall (64) 2 years ago

LOL, let me get this straight, Chu gets exactly what he and Obama said they wanted but it's OK because he now says he doesn't want it any longer, you guys are truly gullible. :)

[-] 0 points by skylar (-441) 2 years ago

the "mistake " is that obama didn't want the price of gas to go so hight too fast. he still want the price of gas high to force sales of stupid electric cars being pushed by GM , government motors. He wants the govt to "invest" ( waste ) money on green energy to enrich his pals.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the leftist talking point is the weight on the off hand sinister in it's lefty loosey way

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I heard the earth contains 5000 years worth of fossil fuel

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-much-earth-depopulation-will-be-required-in-or/

from the above linked thread.........

"1 points by JanitorInaDrum (74) 2 hours ago

On this, we disagree.

Perhaps it wouldn't be by such a wide margin that we disagree IF we weren't hell bent to suck all the resources out of the planet and so very irresponsibly create carnage and detrimental waste.

However, the poster who implies that terra firma, HERE, could support twice as many is absolutely wrong, even at a lesser rate of per captia consumption.

It is no myth that food and water will be a problem, if nobody reproduces starting today, long before OIL becomes scarce."

[-] 0 points by BlackSun (275) from Agua León, BC 2 years ago

Interesting. I had no idea. I may have to rethink some things.