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Forum Post: Help America or destroy America?

Posted 6 years ago on May 6, 2012, 6:12 a.m. EST by FriendlyObserverB (1871)
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What were the founders of OWS true intentions ?



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[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 6 years ago

I can only speak for OccTampa. The intention were to gather the people and give them a platform for real change. Its why we had so much diversity at the beginning.

[-] 0 points by JusticeForTrayvon (34) 6 years ago

I'm unsure. Anarchism would of course, require the destruction of the US government, but I don't think that mainstream OWS supports this. I think most of us just want a stronger federal government that can provide basic goods and services, and leave the rest up to the free market.


[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 6 years ago

If we wait long enough, I'm quite certain you will tell us anyways......

[-] 0 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 6 years ago

The OWS Generals are trying to create a protest ..for sport.

[-] -1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 6 years ago

We all know petitions are the way to make real change and improvement in our government. We have a constitutional right to petition government. But yet OWS does not want to use petitions. This to me suggests OWS does not want improvement; only destruction of America. And I am also concerned the OWS supporters are unaware of the founders true intent.

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 6 years ago

When Women marched in the streets and protested for their Right to Vote (which the old boys network in DC did not want them to have) was that destructive? No, bringing direct pressure through civil disobedience works and is a hallmark of US political history.

Did the Civil Rights demonstrations destroy America or bring about positive change? Again taking the issue to the streets to put pressure on the powers that be.

There are many, many examples in US history where civil disobedience, marches and protests are the quickest and most effective way to bring about change in a governmental structure that is geared to be reactive and slow by design.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 6 years ago

Thanks for the comment.

I think we should try petitions. It is much more peaceful and civilized, and will attract larger support. Many people do not want to associate with vandalism/ protests of this type. We are above that.

But my main concern , why will OWS not support petitions? This clearly indicates malicious intent. Passive terrorism?

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 6 years ago

Petitions work at some levels, mostly the local levels of government. At the Federal level petitions are pretty useless. Understanding the limitations of petitions, does not indicate malicious intent.

Many people do not want to associate with vandalism/ protests of this type.

By far the majority of protests have no vandalism or violence associated with them. Each OWS is different than the others, there is no umbrella group covering them and dictating strategy or actions. The violence seems to be concentrated in the West Coast. That may be due to several reasons, including the local governments lack of communication with the OWS organizations there. If the gov comes out in riot gear right off the bat, it sets the stage for violence. If the gov has a good rapport with the local OWS, violence and vandalism are non-existent.

[-] 1 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 6 years ago

If petitions work at local leveled, why do we exclude them. The west as you say are having trouble at local levels.

The excuses don't add up. Petitions would not interfere with demonstrations. In fact petitions would strengthen demonstrations. So why no petitions? What's the real reason?

There could be announcements on this website for petitions to be signed online or in person at a local demonstration. Imagine the turn out. People lined up in front of wallstreet to sign a petition. No over night camping required. No pepperspray. But a sense of accomplishment.

Petitions are what we need at these OWS gatherings. Get with the program OWS. This is not about bragging you created the largest protest. This is about improving the world we live in together.

I want to see a petition link on this website along with petition signing events. Or OWS and I will be parting company. O am not here for fun and games.

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 6 years ago

In fairness, many threads started here are indeed linked to online petitions for their causes. If you feel that strongly about petitions, what is stopping you from starting them on your own, regarding the issues you feel strongly about, in your home city?

Leaving things up to other people to initiate is just talking about wanting change. Taking charge and running with an idea is being the change that you talk about.

[-] 0 points by FriendlyObserverB (1871) 6 years ago

College students make great cannon fodder.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

they should have their own show

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