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Forum Post: Hedges on Bernie the Sheepdog

Posted 2 years ago on July 15, 2015, 1:08 p.m. EST by turbocharger (1756)
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What’s not to like?” Nader asked Hedges.

“Because he did it within the Democratic establishment,” Hedges said. “He’s lending credibility to a party that is completely corporatized. He has agreed that he will endorse the candidate, which, unless there is some miracle, will probably be Hillary Clinton.”

“So what he does is he takes all of that energy, he raises all of these legitimate issues and he funnels it back into a dead political system so that by April it’s over.”

“That was the role of Van Jones in the last election,” Hedges said. “He was running around, using the language of Occupy — Occupy the Vote — and that is what Bernie has done. I don’t understand. He fought the Democratic establishment in Vermont his entire career. Now he has sold out to it.”

Thats exactly what the complaint against this idiot is. He's spent his entire career doing one thing, and now he decides instead of taking his popularity and contributing it to something that resembles normal working people, he sidles up to the machine.

The machine will eat Bernie alive. We all know this. You don't beat Caesar by playing by Caesar's rules. Only a fool - or a brainwashed die hard partisan- would think that is logical.

Thanks Bernie. You have made every real independent out there look like a fuckin sell out.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/15/chris-hedges-on-bernie-sanders-and-the-corporate-democrats/

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[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

"Occupy Wall Street Just Won" The Washington Post

This is another take on the Bernie Sanders phenomenon which I think Hedges probably agrees with, though he is wisely aware of the shortcomings of working within the system.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2015/07/15/occupy-wall-street-just-won/

And, that's a great piece above. Hedges makes so many good points.

LOL. They thought we were a bunch of dumb hippies but we actually changed the memes in this country and made class war straight and center. I dare anyone to find an American who hasn't heard of the 99% vs. the 1% at this point.

From the article:

"And now, with Hillary’s latest speech where she followed Bernie Sanders into Occupy turf, we have the Occupy worldview dead center in a presidential election campaign. Not a bad day’s work for hippies."

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Get a fuckin job!! :) :)

[-] 5 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

LOL. The truth is having a job in America doesn't do as much for the world as educating, agitating and organizing for change does.

That's how TPTB want it. Have a job that takes up all your time, keeps you down, and keeps you submissive and quiet. Thank god for activists and hippies!

[-] 3 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

yes

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

That is incestuous according to the Bible, doing it with daughters.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

so do you and turbo agree that taxes should be cut as well as government spending? I know turbo really wants taxes cut and government spending too, so I was just wondering if the two of you agree on the issues or is it just hating the Dems you agree on?

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22777) 2 years ago

Why is everything so black and white for you? Open your mind. Try to see the gray matter.

Every time I click on one of your replies to me there is some dumb black and white question. I can't be bothered answering you, frankly.

[-] 2 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

factsrfun's political consciousness has not gone beyond over the top of the arch in St. Louis and return on the other side because the psychological epiphany needed to emerge from classical particle or wave phase to quantum wavefunction phase has not taken place yet.

Staring at and trying to explain the political-carnage afterglow of the Big Bang may help show why blackbody radiation is not black, nor white. Berlin's oven helped with showing that before.

[-] -1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

grapes a lot of words from someone so stupid they don't even know the GOP must lose or America is fu@ked

are you also like BW so "black and white" that somebody can be for cutting taxes and austerity as long as they hate the Dems you call them friend, hating the Dems is your one and only issue....

just read another of your comments i didn't realize how in favor of dropping bombs you were, you are a huge war supporter, so turbo hates taxes, you love war, but you both hate the Dems so BW calls you both friend, I think i am seeing a pattern...

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Riemann sphere is my model for our complex plane. The current U.S. poll numbers indicate a yearning for infinity. I can hover back and forth across the point at infinity because I accepted its existence so it is continuous motion for me, no contradiction there.

Unlike many unsophisticated people, I accept that there is always cost inseparable from benefits so cutting taxes, raising taxes, austerity, or no austerity are all possible and can be good. The contextual background dictates the value.

I challenge you to see objects without any contrast of brightness between them and their background. Background is important.

I do not hate the Slickies, nor do I hate the GOOP. Both of them can work well as we clean our dirtied hands. We are all friends, whether Homo habilis, Homo erectus, Homo sapiens, or Homo americus. Homo's dominate the Earth.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

"so stupid they don't even know the GOP must lose or America is fu@ked"

Again, you are the stupid one if you think that is the simple solution.

Its that brainless analysis that caused this mess to begin with.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

I have never said it was that simple I have always said it is but one essential part of what must be done, but nothing can be done when the GOP are allowed to win, and people so stupid that they cannot see that the GOP must be thrown from office are part of the problem not the solution.

Of course you are neither you are here just to ensure OWS does nothing, because you want more wealth inequality and more tax cuts you are a conservative here only to disrupt OWS.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Again, its that type of brainless analysis that has caused this mess, the boomer analysis (no offense to the few of you who get it).

Keep it up, clearly its a winning strategy!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

yeah 60% turnout and GOP wins that's sure working and you are here in an attempt to make sure it always does, in Finland they have a socialist government and 90% turnout, see the connection more of that baby bomber thinking, I realize thinking is hard for you but still something this obvious shouldn't be that hard to see, you must be especially stupid

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

The real majority is 40%=100%-60% turned-off, better than both red and blue gangs. E pluribus unum: red blue countries, one piñata party.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

confetti party runs on track rules without general public support

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Colors of the flag of the U.S.A. are: red for Courage, white for Truth, and blue for Justice. Truth is conspicuously absent. Both red and blue gangs espouse no Truth but mass confetti and goodies for the gullible.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Three stars are missing from the flag.

Puerto Rico

Guam

American Samoa

Three undeclared states where American citizens do not have the right to vote. http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=0UGiEQWSwWC7ErpaYjMoFAOtBsTaXNF5

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

However long it takes, let it be! We can assure the strict following of the set procedure but we cannot assure the outcome of the petitions to become U.S. states. Death Star America's accretion disk follows Chicken Little's law of universal gravitation as applied to a 40-pound Chicken clutching 13 broken arrows and an olive branch with 13 dollar signs.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Have you even seen the video which outlines this injustice so well?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CesHr99ezWE

[-] 0 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

These U.S. territories can follow the usual procedure for becoming U.S. states. As long as they do not pull the magical tricks similar to those of Goldman-Sachs/Greece to join the euro area, it is fine.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Hhmmmmmm - well now - how long should that take?

They have been trying for over 100 years so far.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

They are both owned by the same people. If you still cant see that, you might be on the wrong website.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You can't see a difference between W Bush ands Al Gore still? and you have the gall to suggest you can see anything? you are the stupidest person I have ever encountered and your only real concern is that you have low taxes you don't give a damn about wealth inequality or the nation or planet just your damn tax bill. you are still singing that same tired song that Nader was singing over twenty years ago when he was working so hard to get W Bush elected.

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

really? engaging in conversation is just too much trouble is it? it is a honest question I know that you and turbo both hate the Dems I do wonder if hating the Dems is your black and white issue, if someone hates the Dems you don't care what other positions they have you call them friend, and if they don't you attack them and call them names and such, It seems that hating Dems is your one and only black and white issue.;

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

All due respect to all of you who support Bernie, but I wish we could just hurry up and get the primary done and then watch him endorse this wall st war criminal The Hag so we call all get back to understanding how rotten this system is.

PS- votes mean nothing to D/R in primaries. Absolutely meaningless. They are fake primaries, as you are already seeing.

[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (22777) 1 year ago

"Bernie Sanders is the most electable candidate in either party"

http://observer.com/2015/12/shock-poll-bernie-sanders-is-the-most-electable-candidate-in-either-party/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

I'm holding on to hope for the time being. The alternative is too grim.

[-] 4 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 year ago

I agree with that first sentence 100%, he appears to be the only normal human being out there.

However, as every election has showed, the D/R racket could care less who is best fit, the votes, etc. It puts who it wants in the two spots and watches the people kill each other over which lunatic they want to be screwed by next.

Our alternative is as bright as ever if we just come to the conclusion that we dont need them.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (22777) 1 year ago

Ideally, I agree with you, but pragmatically, I go with Bernie as a Democrat. If enough of us get on board, it could be the revolution they never saw coming.

[-] 2 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

I'm concerned, too, about Bernie's eventual capitulation to the Wall Street "Democrats." The Clintons and the Obamas all succumbed to the Wall Street "Democrats."

Hillary tackled with healthcare reform in the early 1990's but that was such a long long time ago. The Clintons since then have tasted the very sweet fruits of the Wall Street "Democrats" and brought us NAFTA ("giant sucking sound"), Gramm-Leach-Bliley (no more Glass-Steagall but more jobs, homes, and people grind-ups), and the slipping through our clutch of Osama bin Laden (leading up to 9/11/2001 attacks, rise of the Surveillance State, and the longest wars in Afghanistan and Iraq).

Do we really want a repeat performance by the Clintons? Je me souviens!

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Besides, even if he's not into the thing knee deep, why on earth would he attempt to join something like that to change things?

None of it adds up.

[-] 1 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

Any lawyer can tell you that specifying change without specifying its content allows the case of the change of zero amount. That is representative "democracy" at its best. Go to bed, now. Everything will be just fine (i.e., fair penalty). Bernie may just be a funnel feeding into the Slickies.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

Former US lawmaker Cynthia McKinney says every candidate for Congress has to sign a pledge to vote for supporting the military superiority of Israel.

rule throw force like king in a castle

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Its not an eventual capitulation, its been there for a long time. Bernie has pretty much been a Dem since day one. The DNC loves that he's their white knight, up there in the middle of nowhere in Vermont talking about hard left solutions.

But at the end of the day, Bernie falls in line with the Dems. Bernie is a human like the rest of us, and he is a politician as well. He's not an idiot. He knows what to say, when to say it, and what his role is in the machine.

At the end of the day, Cynthia McKinney told us exactly what is going on in that little club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXaCym8RjJU

Needless to say, thats the last time the Democrats let an outspoken black women into their ranks.

Now if you think Bernie is not in line with what she was talking about...... well....

[-] 3 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

There is preponderance of evidence of the existence of the pledge of allegiance to Israel. I should fancy myself as a lotus seed in the muck, not Goose-loose or Gander-lander growing foie gras. Then I shall rejoice in the fermentation of lint gathered in the Navel of the World!

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (3867) 2 years ago

world war 2 left the US with a lot of floating tanks

[-] 2 points by grapes (4989) 2 years ago

I lament that they were not manned by Barbie dolls.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Anyone catch that comment about "if I dont get the nomination, Im going to endorse everything that is wrong with this system"?

Yup, there's your hard charging leader of the new world!

[-] -2 points by factsrfun (8851) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Hedges is stupid as shit. He elects the GOP so he has shit to bitch about.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

So now Hedges is stupid as well eh?

Keep em coming you crazy.