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Forum Post: Having to pay for healthcare

Posted 2 years ago on March 27, 2012, 6:53 p.m. EST by e2420 (-28)
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How many people here would have to purchase healthcare if the Supreme Court doesn't overrule having to pay a fine if you don't have it?

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[-] 3 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

I would be fined because I refuse to pay for healthcare. But, if they imprison me for not paying my fine, then I will get free, socialized, healthcare. Mission accomplished. hahaha

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

working on a chain gang

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

Because I live in a state that takes advantage of the worker, considering a good portion of the work here is minimum wage, I make less than the federal poverty rate; therefore in 2013, I will not be forced to buy the mandated service and those who are forced to buy it, will be forced to subsidize me. Isn't this mandate just so much better than universal health care? not.

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[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

What people don't know is that even though the fine is imposed there is no provision for collecting it. It was mentioned in the first round of the Supreme Court hearings.

I believe the reason being is that it is not a tax, so it cannot be collected.

[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

The entire so called healthcare reform is a clusterf*** that Obama and his admin have attempted to sell as worthy of being ' something' beneficial to Americans. It's the same lame healthcare package that we all have available to us today. No one has ever even discussed what the premiums would be IF every American were to pay for a policy. Yet, the health insurance companies would be increasing their customer base by millions. I'm going to assume that what this plan really is about is ensuring that the Insurers get more customers in exchange for passing along a very mediocre discount. I would bet that those who are paying a thousand a month will probably pay 800 a month and so on. Americans who approve of this reform are agreeing to something they know absolutely nothing about. I don't have insurance by choice and I sure don't see any benefits in the new plan at all. And you're right Steve, how will they collect the penalties? Some people will simply refuse to file their taxes, assuming that we would be issued a healthcare card /id number similar to our ss card.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17729) 2 years ago

We have already been cluster*, by the "industry" itself.

They know it. Now you can too............:)

http://wendellpotter.com/2012/03/the-end-of-health-insurance-as-we-know-it/

[-] 2 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

I already understand the industry :( You're preaching to the choir. I've been a health freedom activist for 8 years now trying to educate others. It's so daunting and frustrating as heck. That's an excellent link that everyone else should click on if they are not educated about healthcare in America. Thanks for posting it!

[-] 2 points by shooz (17729) 2 years ago

It's an "industry" infected with vested interests.

From within and from without.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

I think a big part of the problem is with the health care providers. I know it costs thousands if not millions of dollars in equipment and new technology but just walking into an emergency room and paying out of pocket costs could cost around $500.00 for a two hour visit.

And that dosen't include meds if needed

[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 2 years ago

Steve, everything in medicine, starting with medical school tuition and textbooks is so over-inflated and it's not necessary. If you only knew how unreliable and unsafe much of that equipment is, you would probably not even set foot in a hospital! I'm not exaggerating either. But, nonetheless, this doesn't justify the high cost of medicine. What inflates the prices the most is the excessive unnecessary use and abuse of the healthcare industry overall. People see doctors for the most unnecessary problems that could be prevented with proper diet and exercise and they take new , not necessarily improved, over-priced medicines that create other health problems, and they are suckers for drug advertisements that play into their every ache, pain and stressful life. Even if you had to pay 500 dollars for a two hour emergency room visit, you could do that on a sliding scale, even if it's 2 bucks a month and I would bet that you would have that paid off by the time you needed to visit an emergency room again. I cancelled my insurance in 2000, have only been sick once in 05 with a pretty serious condition but still have managed to save just under 50,000 dollars by putting my 500 dollar/month premium in a savings account ( after using some of it for medical care in 05). I spend about 200 for my annual doctor's visit with my primary care doctor who specializes in prevention, not disease management. He keeps me well :D
Everyone whines about having to pay for other people's healthcare should we get an universal system. But, take me for example. I do all that I can to take care of myself and stay well and so if I were to visit the hospital or doctor once in ten years, I'm still not bankrupting the system. Prevention is the only way to reduce the cost of healthcare.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

You are right - the big problem is people want a "quick fix" and they think it's necessary to go to the doctor when they have a head cold or their child is stuffy.

Taking care of ones self makes a big difference on a persons health. I don't spend much time where there are crows of people - If I have to go into a store to get something I'm in and out.

My wife works at home and she talks with people who work in the office - they are always sick -

I recently pulled my rotator cuff and had an x-ray and two visits for therapy. It happened about 4 months ago and instead of going for treatment I waited to see if it got better by itself and it did.

I have never been in a hospital ever since I was 4 when I was hit by a car. That was a long, long time ago.

I have had two work related injuries but they didn't require any major medical care.

Yes it all revolves on how people take care of themselves -

[-] 1 points by RedSkyMorning (220) 2 years ago

The only reason to not buy health insurance is if your rolling in money and healthy. People don't * need insurance though. They need healthcare. Everyone needs healthcare sometime. Single payer plus a private market for additional services would be great. I'm sure the private market can be profitable without attempting to kick anyone who gets sick off their plans if we had such a system.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

everyone falls apart eventually

this is not a risk market

[-] 1 points by brochomsky (208) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

I'm from Massachusetts. Already get fined. Thanks Romney.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

I have VA healthcare.

[-] 0 points by e2420 (-28) 2 years ago

How much would the fine be? I just realized I've never heard an amount.

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 2 years ago

Everyone would be required to have healthcare if the Supreme Court didn't overturn Obamacare. That would include "everyone" regardless of what your age may be.

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[-] -2 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

you need to make your question clear. restate the question with a coherent sentence.

[-] 2 points by Recycleman (102) 2 years ago

Obamacare. Please It is screwed up because they were protecting the insurance companies when it was passed with changes they would agree to. Now the company paid officials ( our congressmen ) are suing to get rid of the parts that effect the insurance companies. The supreme court is arguing today to let insurance companies drop you when you cost them to much.

They are not addressing the charges to you and me.

[-] -1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

It's all about the mandate. What are the limiting principals of the Obamacare mandate? If you can answer that you have done what the Solicitor general has been unable to do to this point.

[-] 2 points by Recycleman (102) 2 years ago

Today it's about the ability of the insurance companies right to terminate a policy due to limit of lifetime expense They bring up the mandate as a smoke screen.

[-] 0 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

regardless - after today's SC Arguments - Obamacare is looking like it is going down hard.