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Forum Post: Harkin speaking some truth...

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 11, 2014, 7:28 p.m. EST by turbocharger (1756)
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This is going to sound harsh, but theres a reason government is usually really messed up- these guys are just not good organizers/managers. If they were, things would look radically different.



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[-] 1 points by conservatroll (187) 2 years ago

Don't think single payer is practical. Vermont has thrown in the towel and I would think they had more favorable demographics than the country at large. http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2014/12/17/shumlin-right-time-single-payer/20547557/

[-] 2 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

Quote: "Don't think single payer is practical"

The key words there are, you "Don't think". Of course it works. It works far better than our corporate middleman health insurance system in most other advanced nations.

It looks like us Americans have zero talent developing an efficient, practical healthcare system. Let's try to get ideas from the nations who know how to get it done. We should follow ideas from France, Germany, Switzerland, Canada, Norway. Our corrupt corporate sponsored puppets in Washington aren't capable of developing an efficient, practical system for us.

[-] 3 points by conservatroll (187) 2 years ago

As a first step, we might consider having the government step in when a health event would bankrupt a citizen. I would support single payer catastrophic insurance for sure and the ban on pre existing condition gotchas.

[-] 1 points by conservatroll (187) 2 years ago

Well yes, I must agree that the middleman insurance companies are not needed in a government takeover of health care. That's what makes the ACA such a clunker.

[-] 5 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

aca is a heritage foundation republican market based plan. how stupid. if sweden and canada can afford single payer why can't we?? they pay much less and get better results. secondly the whole idea that "we don't have enough money" is complete bullshit. they let the cat out of the bag with the bank bail out - how many trillions did the banks get?

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

I think that the mismanagement that would result in a group trying to manage healthcare for 330 million people would be absolutely insane.

This is an area where I think massive decentralization needs to happen, if socialist policy were to be effective.

[-] 2 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

When a healthcare system is based on profits, greed and exploitation of the sick, of course there will be mismanagement. If a population of 330 million is too large to manage a healthcare system for, it's too large to manage an entire nation for.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

Perhaps that is an issue also?

[-] 2 points by SerfingUSA (451) 2 years ago

Ordo ab chao.

Chaos amongst the 99%, enables the 1% to have order over society.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

i disagree - while decentralization can be helpful it can also lead to people in alabama getting shitty health care. the government should run health insurance the way it runs va life insurance. cut out all the profit and admin overhead of our convoluted health care system. that would be real socialism. i have no argument that trying to make it work better may lead to something that is not monolithic but what we have now is insane!

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

We certainly have an insane system as it stands now. Something as simple as going to the doctor has been turned into the most complicated transaction we have.

[-] 2 points by flip (7101) 2 years ago

now we agree- i like it when we do!

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 2 years ago

haha is there a small change that most all of us agree on teh basics and theres some sick entity- perhaps two companies- that seem to enjoy and profit off of creating two sides to every story?!! haha.