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Forum Post: Happy Independence Day! VOTIING IS Part of our Independece, Please Don't Let Our Forefathers Down This November

Posted 1 year ago on July 4, 2012, 11:24 a.m. EST by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR
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Register early to Vote. November 6th is the VOTE!!

Here's why: http://occupywallst.org/forum/vote-or-stfu/

And here's for 9-11: http://occupywallst.org/forum/vote-or-stfu/

VOTE!

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[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

RE: "Both Parties the Same Propaganda Ploy."

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Big $ shows up, We the People don't!

Of course it is a "Propaganda Ploy," you'd have to be blind, deaf, or live in a cave, to believe Cons and Dems are the same. Not even the RW Zombies and RepubliCon Propagandists who work night and day advocating this falsity are dumb enough to actually believe it. Their goal is to discourage the turnout (LIKE THEY DID IN 2010).

But there is one more (Both-Parties) option which is only found on our Left side: Prejudice. Purists and Perfectionists (who have no candidates because Perfection does not exist) who refuse to consider the vast and important differences between Cons and Dems because they made their stubborn minds up over one or two flaws. OR over a "Political System" that is in massive disrepair because of a lack of maintenance and an abundance of neglect! Making their desertion of our Political System a self-fulfilling prophecy and a Surrender!

This would all be perfectly fine (Who Needs Narrow-Minded dunderheaded bigots anyway!) except we all have to suffer the consequences of their blind Prejudice (ie. 2010 TeaBag takeover)!!!

Everybody needs to do their Homework: http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/homework.html?feed=364336&article=10248139

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

Can you vote for independence of Israel?

In 1973 Senator Fulbright, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee stated on CBS' Face the Nation that the Israelis control the policy in the Congress and the Senate. Currently Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is a de facto dictator of the United States, with Soviet style approval ratings amongst Senators and Congress members.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Multinational Geo-politics are probably beyond the power of any politician we could vote/elect. Israel has been a mixed bag of tricks for us since it's inception. One has been the "junkyard dog" of that region's oil fields. And oil interests still have a death grip around America's throat. I'm all for washing our hands completely of that area, oil and the promised land!! Completely!!!

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

I think Americans should be worried about the fact that they do not have independence like most nations have nowadays. Independence Day is a farce. This is a tricky subject and it not a good idea to hate Jews. It is better that Americans realise their situation and do something about it. I have researched the subject and it is quite worrying.

Jews make up 2.5% of the population of the United States but according to Vanity Fair more than 50% of the 100 most powerful and influential people in American society are Jews. Also forty-five percent of the top 40 of the Forbes 400 richest Americans are Jewish. Therefore a disproportionate part of the oligarchs are Jews. This situation has significant consequences for US politics because Jews are also well organised. Organisations like the ADL and the AIPAC are effective in influencing the government and the public opinion. American Jews are important donors in political campaigns, especially for the Democratic Party.

In addition to that there is a strong support for Israel under the Evangelical Christians who have a strong voice in the Republican Party. As a consequence US politicians of both parties disregard the interests of the United States by making unwavering support for Israel a cornerstone of the United States foreign policy. As long as Israel has the unconditional support of the United States Israel feels no need to compromise with the Palestinians on peace. According to the veteran journalist Helen Thomas Jews have total control over the White House and US Congress.

More details: http://www.naturalmoney.org/changeover.html#node

Historic analysis: http://www.naturalmoney.org/jewishquestion.html

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

catholics are also well organized

so are mormons

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Even a "tricky" bag of tricks. I've been a student of Israel since the early 60s, the American/Jewish phenomena since the 70s working in Hollywood.

We have a lot of work. Like an election in a few months. NO more Cons in Gov!!

[-] 1 points by niphtrique (323) from Sneek, FR 1 year ago

You should ask yourself why only 50% or less votes in the US.

In Europe voter turnout is in the 70-90% range.

In the US you can only vote on which group of oligarchs is going to profiteer the next four years (Soros versus Koch).

Money is dominating US politics more than ever. You only have to follow the money to see who will be benefiting.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

It's what I'm knocking my head against my computer over, day after day. But it is literally like herding skittish cats!!!

Love the new tax the rich policy the new government in France is proposing! What we need here!!

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Awesome!

[-] 0 points by brosefstalin (139) from Wantagh, NY 1 year ago

Our forefathers purposefully excluded the right to vote from certain citizens of the United States, such as blacks, poor whites, women, and nationalized Native Americans.

For reasons like this, I can't in my heart celebrate "Independence" Day. Independence from whom? From one tyrant to another. That's all the war in 1776 was about.

[-] 2 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Those exclusions were the fashion then, like three-point hats, democracy was their big concern then.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Big $ shows up, We the People don't!

Of course it is a "Propaganda Ploy," you'd have to be blind, deaf, or live in a cave, to believe Cons and Dems are the same. Not even the RW Zombies and RepubliCon Propagandists who work night and day advocating this falsity are dumb enough to actually believe it. Their goal is to discourage the turnout (LIKE THEY DID IN 2010).

But there is one more (Both-Parties) option which is only found on our Left side: Prejudice. Purists and Perfectionists (who have no candidates because Perfection does not exist) who refuse to consider the vast and important differences between Cons and Dems because they made their stubborn minds up over one or two flaws. OR over a "Political System" that is in massive disrepair because of a lack of maintenance and an abundance of neglect! Making their desertion of our Political System a self-fulfilling prophecy and a Surrender!

This would all be perfectly fine (Who Needs Narrow-Minded dunderheaded bigots anyway!) except we all have to suffer the consequences of their blind Prejudice (ie. 2010 TeaBag takeover)!!!

Everybody needs to do their Homework: http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/homework.html?feed=364336&article=10248139

[-] 0 points by brosefstalin (139) from Wantagh, NY 1 year ago

Even Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn thought that both parties were essentially the same on the big issues. FDR was heavily pro-business. JFK was pro-war. Clinton signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act which deregulated corporate media. Obama bombed Pakistan, illegally assassinated political figures, and and extended the Bush Tax Cuts.

The Dems aren't as bad. But they aren't good.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Welcome to the REAL world!!!

Perfection does NOT exist.

Here there is only really fucking bad with no hope (Cons) and majorly flawed mostly due to a fickle, unsupportive base, with hope (Dems). We start turning out like Big $ and get the money out of politics and government, we'll make vast improvements. BUT remember, no matter how good we make things, there will always be FLAWS for you nit-pickers to whine about! ALWAYS!!!!

[-] 0 points by brosefstalin (139) from Wantagh, NY 1 year ago

And why SHOULD NOT we pick at the flaws? We shouldn't we always strive to make this world better than ever yet it has been? Why shouldn't we seek forever to make Heaven on earth? What's wrong with that?

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

Because there are things to get on with. Perfection is a never-ending goose chase!!

"Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good."

In reality, you always have to deal with flaws. Now go nit-pick someone else. Look your left big toe is bigger than the right!!!! HORRORS!!!!!

[-] 0 points by brosefstalin (139) from Wantagh, NY 1 year ago

My big toe can't be fixed, but a corrupt and immoral economic system. CAN.

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference."

Yes, we have to deal with the flaws. Now DEAL with them.

[-] 1 points by rpc972 (628) from Portland, OR 1 year ago

OK, GET OUT THE VOTE!!! "We stand today at a crossroads: One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other leads to total extinction. Let us hope we have the wisdom to make the right choice." ~~Woody Allen

Fight back in this Class War against the REAL enemy, indifference, blind prejudice, perfection, hopelessness. Big $/PTB laugh at your petty infighting while you ignore the one weapon that defeats them, time and time again. The VOTE!! Our democracy!! Wake up!!!

[-] 1 points by brosefstalin (139) from Wantagh, NY 1 year ago

We weren't even talking about indifference in voting. I'm not sure what you're getting at. Stop voting me down when you don't really have anything to say and can't continue a cohesive conversation.