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Forum Post: guns are not the problem. semi-automatic guns with extended clips are the problem

Posted 1 year ago on Dec. 15, 2012, 11:33 a.m. EST by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN
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it is obvious. you don't need a semi automatic weapon to hunt or defend yourself but you do need one to fire 100 rounds in just minutes.

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[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 1 year ago

The mentally impaired or disabled having access to guns is the problem.

25% of our citizens suffers from some mental illness or disability. There is no functional tool in place to check to see if someone has problems from gaining access to guns.

[-] 2 points by ogoj2 (32) 1 year ago

Guns in the hands of left wing revolutionaries are not the problem. Lal Salaam.

[-] 2 points by 3roundmagsonly (-63) 1 year ago

As my name suggests, you only need 3 rounds per clip. However i know lots of recreational shooters with AR15s wth extended clips and they are extremely responsible gun owners. I have seen them put 30 rapid fire bullets in a pie tin at 400 yards, so thats pretty scary.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

does that mean they can't be killed and then their weapons can't be used to kill innocent people by the dozen?

[-] 2 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Cowards are the problem. Cowards need guns. Extreme cowards use them.

Believing you need a gun is a psychological indicator. Register cowards and test them. Guns don't kill people, cowards kill people.

[-] 2 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

CNN just said that the guy to buy a gun a couple of days ago but wasn't allowed to.

[-] 0 points by brael (5) 1 year ago

yep, CT has stricter laws requiring a waiting period and he couldn't buy his gun, but was determined to kill so used his mom's guns, which makes it seem like gun control doesn't work. sure, it is not going to eliminate gun violence and stop the most determined psycho from finding his way, but if it at least limits the options and helps to prevent anyone from being killed in any other situations, it is worth pursuing. I would suggest that any argument anyone makes should be followed with the question: but does that mean we should not ban semi-automatics? the answer in any case would be no, we should still ban semi-automatics regardless of whatever finer point you're making because it is insane to have them legal and accessible.

[-] 0 points by freakzilla (-161) from Detroit, MI 1 year ago

I was just bringing that issue and event into the discussion. I'm all for gun control, but just not sure about what works best or would work best.

[-] 0 points by brael (5) 1 year ago

understood, thanks for bringing it up. it's a very tricky issue :)

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

too bad his mom wasn't prevented from buying semi automatic weapons.

[-] 0 points by brael (5) 1 year ago

exactly

[-] 1 points by ogoj2 (32) 1 year ago

"it is obvious. you don't need a semi automatic weapon to hunt or defend yourself but you do need one to fire 100 rounds in just minutes."

You also don't need to hunt or defend yourself.

[-] 1 points by brael (5) 1 year ago

There has been hollow talk from Obama of reinstating and strengthening the Federal Assault Weapons Ban that expired in '04, which would cover these semi-automatics. This is obviously the most apt time to act and to make it happen. I mean that for Obama but also for all of us. Even after such a horrific slaughter of innocent children, I don't think Obama will be willing to take up this opportunity to fight for meaningful legislation on guns. I imagine he doesn't want to get caught up in a huge protracted political battle that will distract from everything else. But if not now, when? If not Obama, who will act? I believe it is up to us to come together to shout with one big voice to make this happen: a small goal of simply re-instating the ban. Occupy Wall St has a huge voice that carries great power and if enough of us use this voice for a very specific purpose, we could actually help enact real change. There is a lot disagreement on this site about the finer points of how to go about gun control, but can we all AT LEAST agree on that semi-automatics should be banned? Hello? Yes???? Thank you. That was easy. So, let's look into organizing and putting together some high profile demonstrations for this cause. OWS has been criticized for not having a clear goal, so let's put all the talent and energy towards this one very particular, very achievable goal and provide the backing that just might push this into reality, creating the momentum necessary to continue to refine and establish effective and intelligent gun control on a wide-scale. Anyone with me on this?

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i am not just referring to rifles. i am referring to all semi automatic weapons including hand guns which are what the suspect used. he was able to discharge over 100 rounds in minutes. but yes i am with you. assault rifles being legal is ridiculous.

[-] 1 points by brael (5) 1 year ago

I understand, and I would hope that any ban put in place would include the semi-automatic hand-guns as well. really though, it's just sickening how little ever gets done to even attempt to regulate guns and how futile we all feel every time a new, even more horrendous mass killing happens. I'm kind of wracking my brain here trying to imagine how to organize people towards projecting a simple and effective and VERY LOUD message. If there is any group that can pull it off it would be from amongst the OWS crowd I imagine. I haven't been able to be involved in any OWS demonstrations since I've been abroad in Asia for quite a few years, and wouldn't be able to partake in anti-gun demonstrations any time soon, but I want to keep this conversation going towards some real change. There's bound to be a lot of squabbling about gun control, but if enough people at least agree on banning semi-automatics, that can be the rallying cry to start the fire cooking

[-] 2 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

i think the support is there now. so many people changed their mind yesterday. i know i was one of them.

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[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (21343) 1 year ago

Why do we live in a society where we need to defend ourselves? Do we not see how freaking sick that is in the first place?

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

well it is reality. i don't think there is a culture devoid of violence in the world. if there is they live in a jungle somewhere.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (21343) 1 year ago

So, we have to accept this? And, no other society has 300 million guns for 285 million citizens. We have problems, deep rooted problems, and until we address them, we are heading for decline.

We need to change from being a fear-based angry society to a love-based kind society. I know it sounds laughable but it is really the truth. We need to reach children when they are very young to see that sharing and caring and kindness are the valuable things in life. Not hatred, fear and greed.

[-] 0 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

headed for? dude we have been in decline for decades now.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (21343) 1 year ago

Well, that's true, heading for demise then.

[-] 0 points by brightonsage (4494) 1 year ago

Bloomberg has it right. Big sodas and guns.

The folks who want 'em, shouldn't have 'em!

If the founding fathers were here now, the second amendment would be about video games. There are no responsible gun owners. Some are just acting like it to shill for the bad ones. I'll bet there are tools in their houses that could break open their gun safe (if they even have one) in ten minutes or less. How responsible is that?

[-] -1 points by brael (5) 1 year ago

Here's a petition to reinstate the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. If you agree, please sign and pass this on.

http://wh.gov/RHpR