Forum Post: Gun Ban Issue, Opportunity for national debate, Bad Government, Constant War, NDAA, Citizen Rights
Posted 11 months ago on Dec. 23, 2012, 8:27 a.m. EST by Middleaged
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Gun Ban Issue is Opportunity for national debate & Referendum on Bad Government, Constant War, NDAA, Citizen Rights.
The Drugging Of Our Children (Full Length 1 hour 43 minutes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26e5PqrCePk
This issue should Glavanize all people into national debates about what the government is doing with NDAA, Global Wars, Drug Wars, Drone Strikers, Huge Defense Industry grown out of Federal Budgets, the Militarization of the USA, and ...whether common people are Represented in Washington DC.
There should be National Referendums, Nation Wide Voting on the Gun Ban, regional Debates on What Washington DC Agenda is, and if the Federal Government Represents the poor & middle class
A) People don't want war and don't want to violate the sovereignty of foreign countries. So why are we doing this?
B) NDAA has taken away constituational rights of US Citizens ever since the Patriot Act of 2001. So why are we doing this?
C) How can Drone Strikes in Pakistan be moral or ethical? And how can we lead the world in morality or by example by being the most agressive, military nation on earth who doesn't mind killing women & kids.
D) How can we as US Citizens change the Influence of Money on Federal Budgets, Corporate Welfare, and unlimited support of corporations.
E) If there is no other nation strong enough to influence the aggressive foreign policy and global war policy of the US Government, and we do not get to vote on what Congress Does, then how can anyone without millions of dollars Lobby Washington DC. Corporations make money off of Weapons and War, they have a conflict of Interest...
F) If you give up your guns, and give up the right to own semi-automatic rifles, then how can your responsible stewardship of the US Government - stop the wars, stop the drone strikes, stop the covert activities, stop transfer of federal tax dollars to the Defense Industry, stop the corporate welfare,... or even get access to get legislation to the floor of the US Congress. Many people want to be responsible, to act with Citizenship, to change laws, and to provide direction to government, but we don't really get taught by Washington. We get asked to follow a vague, opaque, plan that asks us to give up more rights. But you still don't get to vote on plans in Congress. You don't even get the background and details of laws before they get voted on.
G) Most of the Laws passed in Congress are written by Lobbyist with a pressing Conflict of Interest. This means people are paid to write laws for congress by people that may have a financial interest. So how can you be sure your US Rights are protected when laws are written by high paid lobbyist who are just trying to make a buck?
H) Remember Watergate and the Church Committe investigation of the CIA and the bribery of the US Media. Can you depend on the US Media to protect your best Intersts? If you can't vote on sending US Kids to war, or whether or not to bomb and send drone strikes on a Sovereign nation, or whether 1st Amendment Rights are taken away in NDAA, or if you have the right to a lawyer, a trial, a free media, a Freedom of Information Act, an Anti-Trust Act, or a Decent Wage... then ...How can you show Citizenship and change your government? How can you stop the wars?
And you want to say it is logical to ban guns. Well lets discuss this point for argument sake. We currently have many bans in the USA that don't work.
A) Drug War and Marijuana Ban has lead to Violent Drug Gang Violence at least in South America, Central America, Mexico, Thialand, Myanmar, Laos, and Afghanistan.
B) Drug War has lead to near chaos in Mexico, Columbia, and Afghanistan as to their governments.
C) CIA has been caught in trouble with running drugs.
D) Drugs are a commodity in the US and in US Prisons leading to many young men into a life of crime due to the economic power and status it brings. What is it, 25% of prisoners are convicted for non-violent drug crimes only to have their lives changed forever and to become dependent on others for shelter & livelihood.
E) Drug Ban has aided in the Creation of a prison industry that is a drag on the economy, a drag on taxpayers, ...Prison does not add value to society.
F) Ban on Prostitution, has not ended prostitution.
G) Ban on gambling... has become legal, but never could eliminate gambling.
H) Ban on Alcohol... Never ending drinking or making moonshine. In fact it is the best case example of how bans do not work. Ban increses violence of gangs. Ban made drinking alcohol more likely to poison you. Ban made certain US Families Rich.
I) Ban on drugs has resulted in the same things that happened in Prohibition of Alcohol.
J) Ban on Drugs seems to benefit other industry lobby groups.
K) Ban on terrorism has lead to a security industry to protect against terrorism, and has lead to an increase in resentment of US Troops who are defacto occupying foreign lands, air, and seas, has lead to therefore a creation of more terrorist as said by former CIA Agents.
L) Ban on Hand Guns or Semi-Automatic Rifles or even all guns ... will prove very difficult with open borders and human history of serving the economic demand whatever it is.
The many issue here can be looking at in many different ways. You can look for principles, or you can look at the effect of having guns available, or you can look at legal and illegal drug use and mental illness, ...How about we expand the Discussion, or just ask How can we have a National Referendum and if not Why can't we ever have national referendum votes in this democracy today (have we already lost this right?)
http://www.truthistreason.net/operation-mockingbird-government-control-of-mainstream-media (author has a book he is selling) (Operation Mockingbird)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x144008 (Operation Mockingbird)
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.php (Operation Mockingbird)