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Forum Post: Get the Money Out, is Still a Priority

Posted 2 months ago on April 30, 2014, 6:39 p.m. EST by shooz (17968)
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It's one that goes hand in hand with the other priority, of getting global warming under control.

In fact, it might be necessary to get it under control.

http://www.occupy.com/article/getting-money-out-politics-electoral-issue-we-can-%E2%80%93-and-must-%E2%80%93-win

We can and must win!

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[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

It is not difficult to understand that the ceos and the cfos and all those who have made it their lives work to promote the fossil fuel industry as the fundamental component of the global energy equation - they will not let go of all they have built.

They will not. They will not relinquish their status or their position - much less the wealth that their position generates.

They will die first.

The very same thing may be said of all of those who have with tremendous patience hijacked our economy and subverted our political and our judicial systems of government. They will not let go of all they have worked so hard for so long with such patience to create. They will not.

They will die first.

This is a fact with which we must absolutely come to grips.

Those who have slaved for so long and so hard and sacrificed so much will not see all that they have built taken away. Not now. Not ever. Not for any reason.

They will die first.

We must come to understand this very simple and self evident fact.

We must come to understand this very simple and self evident fact, and then we must decide how we will act.

We must come to understand this very simple and self evident fact, and then we must decide

that we must act.

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© D. Winter April 30, 2014

[-] -1 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

http://www.nationofchange.org/activist-tom-steyer-challenges-koch-brothers-climate-debate-1398866108

Do you think either one, or both of them will accept?

If so, I hope it gets some broad coverage.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

I doubt the Kochs would accept. Why take a chance on engaging the debate themselves when they have minions who will do that for them. The idea is not to draw massive amounts of attention to a single debate or even series of them and so settle the matter - but rather to perpetuate a climate of uncertainty and indecision and do so with multiple voices clamoring in opposition.

I take it as an indication that they are feeling pinched by changes in media treatment of the issue - changes that I presume have been pushed by the facts presented by the weather itself.

When you think about that for a minute -

It seems very suggestive that in essence the Kochs already have far more than they ever really wanted - they just don't know it yet.

You know that old saying - careful what you wish for . . .

yeah-ya

The only problem is, the Koch.suckers are themselves somewhat insulated from all they have wished for - unlike the rest of us who do not have the benefit of their wealth, and are not in any position to simply relocate on a whim.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

They did, of course, bury this.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/07/28/602151/bombshell-koch-funded-study-finds-global-warming-is-real-on-the-high-end-and-essentially-all-due-to-carbon-pollution/

I like how the chart is missing. They probably had to pull it, under legal threat.

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[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

could be - if the graph was the result of work by Koch whores and the Kochs own the product.

Check back in the am to see if it isn't just the webmaster mucking around with files in the graphics folder.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

It's a 2 year old post.

more likely it was pulled under threat.

No matter, though, there's plenty of newer, more accurate ones out these these days.

You and I have posed more than few.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

I didn't spot that it was so old. But nope, it's not there this am.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

Did you see this?

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/01/3432983/train-derails-again/

In the name of profit, let no river be unpolluted!

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

Nope, not till just now. It is amazing really. Events like this seem so statistically significant, not that I'm a statistician, I'm not . . .

It's just - we learned not to bury the dead next to the drinking water, right? So, how is it we simply cannot get to the bottom of human engineering?

O right. It's useful. Except it really isn't - the entire debate over KXL is proof of just how utterly fuking useless human engineers really are . . .

[-] -1 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

You mean like this?

How much you want to bet it was a non union operation?

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/01/3432120/texas-oil-worker-fatalities/

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[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

I just saw that -

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[-] -2 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

you would think they would take that money and invest in . . . o I dunno . . . . welders who can actually weld maybe?

stupid fukers

[-] -2 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

That's another one we're supposed to pretend isn't an Occupy issue.

But it is.

http://www.occupy.com/article/indigenous-activists-invoke-sacred-keystone-pipeline-standoff-continues

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

I had found the Bold Nebraska website earlier this am - I'm glad to see Occupy.com highlighting it - provided of course they do not attempt to usurp this group for their own purposes.

It is entirely right and proper that we stand with Bold Nebraska and support them without condition or hesitation.

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[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

This is an absolute must. I'm afraid it will take far more pressure than most of us have an appetite for, and that is, I believe, exactly what conservative scumbags are counting on.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

Hmmm, actual, proven Occupy issue, and so far?

6 down votes on little activity. and counting.

Still think there ain't a bot running?

Or maybe a cabal of puppets?

[-] -3 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

It looks like I've lost about a thousand points in just a couple of days. Given the you're voting too much limitation I would have to guess they are using multiple . . . voters . . .

[-] -2 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

It could be one guy with a stash of sock puppets, created for just such a purpose.

I don't really know.

Now that they've chased DK and GF, they are on you like glue. They work hard at getting a rise out of you, 'cause they know they can.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

yes they can . . . and sometimes I get to return the favor.

Looks like you've lost 75 since yesterday.

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[-] -1 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

It's the MO, they used on DK, just a lot slower.

Once again though, you have to notice the complete lack of support for an actual Occupy issue.

Makes you wish they hadn't chased bensdad off.

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[-] -3 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

I was just thinking about that - I mean, they whine about me being partisan. I had tried for quite some time not to vote on the basis of personality - it's completely counter productive.

but there really aren't all that many of us here. There's you, me, and the other two.

[-] 3 points by adelaide45 (1) 2 months ago

REALITY CHECK!! ..."but there really aren't all that many of us here."

Errr....that's because shooz has let you & a couple of other low-class people run roughshod over the forum spewing your profanities at posters with impunity

Then of course there is the matter of shooz removing comments and banning people who have the gall to disagree with his parDisan bullshit.

[-] -3 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

bullshit it's you and your lying fuking sock puppets pushing people away.

[-] -2 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

It amazes me that even now they keep doing it.

Even on true blue, Occupy issues, like this one, but they'll vote the crap out of conspiracy crap from dubious web sites.

Tashy's revenge?

[-] -2 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

They've siphoned about a thousand points from me in just a few days. fukin snakes.

hc and shadz both think no one sees their shit. They somehow think they are so clever they will get away with whatever they want.

Whatever man.

fukem

[-] -2 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

Don't you know?

Throughout history, revolutions are won by folks that come up with names like Hitlery.

Who needs strategy when you can just make up semi clever names?

Did you see what flips friend Beck had to say the other day?

Something about lesbian sex in the White House.

I'm surprised he didn't post it.

What they won't be posting is what Bernie had to say today.

So I will.

From what has to be their favorite web site....hee, hee, hee.

http://aattp.org/watch-bernie-sanders-shames-rich-gop-koch-puppets-for-voting-against-min-wage-increase-video/

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[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

If we’re going to allow the system to be gamed in favor of the big money interests

And there it is - we simply must stop allowing the system to be gamed.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

All those people that claimed to be in support of Sawant, have surprisingly little to say, when the truth of her opposition becomes clear.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

Too busy hunting for dual use material.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

nobody told him there are no free markets? Too bad. Says a lot for our educational system - thoroughly hijacked and fuked to the max

[-] -1 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

Did you know those bozo's are still hanging out in Nevada?

They've tried setting up check points, and are busy going even more completely insane.

http://aattp.org/bundy-ranch-militia-terrorists-turn-on-each-other-over-insane-conspiracies-video/

Meanwhile local businesses have reported threats and major loss of business.

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[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

They are turning on each other? Really? How interesting.

  • The Oath Keepers have been branded “traitors” and “deserters” who have committed “treason of the highest order” against Bundy Ranch because they left the grounds as soon as, in their deluded minds, “shit got real,” so to speak.

LoL! fukin cowards.

I've stood in a protest against Shell Oil, waiting to die on the basis of just this kind of bullshit.

[-] -1 points by shooz (17968) 2 months ago

Just like our own bot runners.

Cowards of the highest degree.

And just as enthralled by conspiracy theory.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13657) from South Burlington, VT 2 months ago

conspiracy does occur, even children engage in conspiracy even if only to slip out late on a summer's night.

There is a lot of bullshit out there. A lot of effort goes into producing it. Some people are convinced for example, that no one was injured at the Boston Marathon. I don't have the stomach at the moment to link directly to some of the most outrageous lies that are out there -

but they are, they are out there. I'm convinced these lies exist for a reason - for a specific purpose - and part of that purpose is to keep us all divided and afraid.

I think it was popular mechanics that did a very good job of identifying how the rumor got started that September 11 was the result of bombs, rather than planes -

but not why.

The fukers who engage in the creation of disinformation of this nature should be shot.

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