Forum Post: Georgia's new drivers license requirements
Posted 12 years ago on July 6, 2012, 6:56 p.m. EST by SteveKJR1
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Georgia now requires a person who is renewing their drivers license to provide the following information:
Social Security card Certified Birth Certificate Two forms of identification proving you live at the address you list - electric bill and gas bill etc And two forms of identification
So you may ask what is the purpose of this - the purpose is to make sure people who are getting their drivers license are legal residents of the State of Georgia.
Along with that there will be an identifying symbol on the license plate of your vehicle indicating that you are a legal resident
I think this is one sure way to stop illegals from driving and getting drivers license when they are not allowed.
Pennsylvania state Rep. Mike Turzai, R-Allegheny, is putting the national election spotlight back on his home state. PoliticsPA.com quoted Turzai when he said a new voter ID law in Pennsylvania could help Mitt Romney win the state.
This will effect over 700,000 voters in Pennsylvania – mostly senior, minorities, and students.
Turzai listed the Castle Doctrine law, pro-life regulations and a new voter ID law as items Republicans have passed in Pennsylvania. The House Majority Leader then said the voter ID law "is gonna allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania."
The law goes into effect in the general election. All voters must show a photo ID at the polls before they are allowed to vote.
The New York Times reports some colleges and universities in Pennsylvania will have to make changes to student IDs to allow some students to vote. Democrats allege the changes would make it harder for younger voters and minorities to cast ballots.
Mark Nicastre told PoliticsPA.com claims the state's GOP agenda "simply helps their donors and political allies. ... Democrats are focused on protecting Pennsylvanians' right to vote."
Turzai alleges voter fraud has occurred in Pennsylvania in the past. Turzai spokesman Stephen Miskin also told PoliticsPA.com "the Republican presidential candidate will be on a more even keel thanks to voter ID."
This argument mat be the excuse
the ballot in san diego refused the check ID when we voted?
This from people who scream they want less government. Instead they want government to know and control just about everything we do.
Well, if our federal government did their job we wouldn't be having this discussion - there is a reason for doing this.
And what is the reason, to protect us from the brown horde? No, it's just another way to control the population.
Hey, if you haven't noticed, the government has been controling the population since the 50's.
You see, every argument you make only proves the centralization of power in the hands of the ruling class. If you haven't noticed by now, most people on this forum truly oppose big government unlike the so-called conservatives, who want to further centralize power.
We don't need population control; we don't need borders; we don't need nation-states ever at war with one another; we need justice and economic equality for all people.
If you haven't noticed, centralization of power in the hands of the ruling class is because the people of this country want it that way.
If they didn't they would not buy chinese made products and do something about changing the government.
We need bordor control otherwise this coutry would be a 3rd world country. Opening the flood gates to allow anyone in this country would ruin this country.
Everyone and anyone who would come to this country would try to change it to their beliefs and opress those who want to be free.
Is that what you want?
There's a few flaws in your logic.
People buy cheap, imported products because decades ago, the capitalists began outsourcing jobs with the support of their puppets in government. That accomplished two things: it suppressed wages in this country by opening up a larger labor pool, which allowed the ruling class to keep minimum wage at below-subsistence levels.
Capitalism treats labor like any other commodity. So, of course the capitalists went overseas. Aside from keeping the labor pool open and workers subjugated, for a while it seemed a boon to American workers, who bought cheap products, never thinking of the future, the place we are now, where there is an oversupply of workers in this country and the cheap goods are becoming too expensive. The ruling class, in spite of many tax cuts and supposed inducements from their governmental puppets have failed to reinvest in the country and thus--according to fallacious supply-side economics--create more jobs. More or less, we're headed to third-world status without the help of immigrants.
I'm not sure what your definition of freedom is, so I can't reply as to whether I want to be free in your sense of the word. Immigrants may actually help to attain greater freedom, since they may push for greater reforms for the working class, something many Americans are strangely reluctant to do.
I am not sure about your logic when it comes to the "ruling class". There is no ruling class in this country. If there were, then 70% of the pouplation would be in a similar situation to those who spent and put themselves in a situation where they can no longer pay their bills.
It's hard to convince a person that they can succede when in fact all they they are told a listen to on the news is "negativism" and in turn they believe what they are being told.
Remember if a person is continually told that they are defeated they eventually become defeated. That is what's happening in this counry today.
People are led to believe that the few control them and when this scenearo is continually pronounced over and over again they eventually believe it. I don't.
I will challenge any person out there who complains about not having a job that they can get a job. It may not be the job they want but it is a start. There are jobs out there and there are opportunities out there - the only difference between a person getting a job and not getting a job is persistence and determination -
Being bow beaten into thinking it can't happen is what makes people weak and want the government to do for them instead of them doing for themselves.
Your logic continues to fall short of the goal.
Decades ago the capitalists, those who own the means of production, faced continually escalating costs of labor in this country. Since to them labor is a commodity, they began shipping jobs overseas: outsourcing.
At first this seemed to benefit American workers, because a relatively small number lost their jobs, and the rest found cheap, imported goods almost irresistable. The capitalists, however, who are motivated only by profit, began shipping more and more jobs overseas.
This resulted in a real bonanza for the capitalists. They increased profits by selling the cheap, imported goods in this country and at the same time they created new markets in the labor-cheap countries like Bangladesh, Thailand, India, China, etc.
All the while manufacturing in this country decreased, until now, almost none exists. As a result that increased the amount of surplus workers in this country so that real wages stagnated or declined; minimum wage fell below subsistence levels, far below its real-wage high point in the late 1960s.
The bill for all this shuffling of imagined wealth came due in the current economic collapse, in which profits for most large corporations and pay for CEOs skyrocketed. The puppet government cheerfully bailed out banks and mega-corporations while it abandoned the average worker to a rapidly declining economy and falling real wages.
I don't know where you live, but in the United States, the minimum number of actual unemployed is somewhere between 23 million and 30 million, which places the true unemployment rate at between 16% and 21% ( http://usdebtclock.org/ ). That means somewhere around one in five people is out of a job. So, obviously, your presumption of available jobs for all who want is erroneous.
You can call the capitalists, those who own the means of productions, whatever you want. They can be called the 1%, the bourgeousie, the ruling class, the wealthy elite, and many more names, some banning offenses. Those people, though, whatever you want to call them, have carefully led the national and global economies to exactly where they are.
Decades ago doesn't get a person a job today. You can spin the negativism all you want but the bottom line is if a person wants to work they can.
What I do know is that when it comes to the younger generation there are those who know how to get jobs and there are those who don't or don't want to and blame others because of it.
It's all a matter of attitude and determination.
It's a wonderful place, where you live. Too bad most Americans don't live there.
What? - in his own mind? No thanks don't want to live there.
It's wonderful: full of fairies, elves, angel-faced children, and a chicken in every pot. :{)
Where everyone is doing just fine - because that is the way they want it.
Wishes are fishes and you can sing them to shore.
The sky is a constantly shifting rainbow of dazzling color.
[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (1203) from Boulder City, NV 5 hours ago
"On the big rock candy mountain..."
"In the cigarette trees... There's a lake of gin..."
That sounds like my kind of place. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
Cotton candy clouds? {:-O
"On the big rock candy mountain..."
"In the cigarette trees... There's a lake of gin..."
That sounds like my kind of place.
Most Americans are doing just fine but you don't hear about it all you hear about is negativism and like I stated before - you keep telling people they are defeated and eventually the will be defeated.
Do you know what the "power of positive thinking" means?
"The power of positive thinking!" I'm all for positive thinking, just not self-deception; denial of a serious disease accomplishes nothing but allow the disease to progress unchecked.
You can't ignore the facts: the rampant unemployment, the increasing hunger problem, the growing cancerous poverty. Dream all you want, but address the problems of our society soberly and with determination to provide all Americans real justice and equality.
He is confused again - positive thinking description used in place of delusional thinking.
Again:
Where everyone is doing just fine - because that is the way they want it.
Wishes are fishes and you can sing them to shore.
The sky is a constantly shifting rainbow of dazzling color.
Government and business are everyones friend and nothing is harming the environment.
A blissful world of peace love and joy for all - it's just that some do not recognize the splendor.
Hhmmmmm
There does seem to be a purposeful ignorance of the facts. The numbers fade into obscurity at the edge of the lemomade spring. I have nothing against Oz, but it's fictional, and too many defenders of the status quo live there, instead of in the world the in which the rest of us live.
Many people, (maybe steve) feel that if everything is ok with me and my freinds things are just fine. Some people don't care about others. Some people blame the victim. Some people believe in survival of the fittest.
I don't find OWS supporters with those selfish beliefs. Most know that if help all people achieve success, the rest of us benefit (even the wealthy). Most know doing good is it's own reward. And most know that we've propped up 1% plutocrats long enough.
maybe Steve isn't really with OWS. He IS welcome if he can embrace a more selfless view I'm sure.
Peace.
Blaming the victim is easy, if one is not the victim.
I believe a lot of these people need to get out of the suburbs, need to get out of their gated communities and go downtown (in Las Vegas), where homeless people congregate. After the defenders of the status quo take a good look around, maybe they won't so quick to say people want to live on the street in abject poverty.
If they take a look at the people that come in to where I work, one after another, pleading for jobs, even at minimum wage, when we don't have jobs to offer, maybe they won't be so quick to say anyone can find a job.
Take off the blinders and the rose-colored glasses.
I Iived near Gilroy, CA for a while, right around the time the police went in and destroyed the homeless camps around the creek beds. The entire scene reminded me of pictures I've seen of when police destroyed Great Depression Hoovervilles. It's not such a pretty picture when someone actually sees it.
That is why we are here. To see if we can change course - all of us before we crash and burn. The pilot has died and we need to take over.
[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (1203) from Boulder City, NV 0 minutes ago
You know what the pilot said to the passenger as they were going down: "Time to bend over and kiss your ass good-bye." I think we're there. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
Problem is their drug of choice will kill us along with them.
Economic meltdown - recent overdose.
Fracking ( unrestricted ) - will be the next overdose (?) = loss of ground water.
etc
[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (1203) from Boulder City, NV 0 minutes ago
If it were legal, I'd help them along. Got some extra cash to give them another fix? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
You know what the pilot said to the passenger as they were going down: "Time to bend over and kiss your ass good-bye." I think we're there.
I agree completely. Saw a documentary where they stated : "Many people go from the house to the car to the company garage and then the office" " never really interacting with other people. (doesn't even have to be the poorest) Just regular people with different perpectives, opinions.
So people come to not consider or appreciate other people. Breeds selfishness, greed, I, me me mine.
Its the american way.
Peace
People better start interacting with other people pretty soon, or the whole, stinking pile is going to be in their faces.
Politicians aren't going to clean up this mess; the work is up to us, we're the janitors, and the politicans are part of the garbage that has to be dumped.
And so it is that we find ourselves here today - the people on the outside looking in as government and big business get ready to overdose.
[-] 1 points by TitusMoans (1203) from Boulder City, NV 36 minutes ago
The addicts I've seen live like shit, but you're right; they keep deceiving themselves believing everything will be fine. Naturally anyone looking at the addict knows nothing is fine and nothing is going to be fine. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
If it were legal, I'd help them along. Got some extra cash to give them another fix?
Greed is an addiction - an addiction to money. In this case they are trying to deny the evils that have happened due to their addiction. Addicts live in the land of denial and fantasy.
[-] 2 points by TitusMoans (1203) from Boulder City, NV 2 minutes ago
There does seem to be a purposeful ignorance of the facts. The numbers fade into obscurity at the edge of the lemomade spring. I have nothing against Oz, but it's fictional, and too many defenders of the status quo live there, instead of in the world the in which the rest of us live. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
The addicts I've seen live like shit, but you're right; they keep deceiving themselves believing everything will be fine. Naturally anyone looking at the addict knows nothing is fine and nothing is going to be fine.
and who one knows
starts never led anywhere for most
Well you don't start from the top you start from the bottom and over time build your job skills and wealth. There isn't any "instant gratification" out there as you can see by the state of our present economy.
whatever
go find someone else to work for the rich
the jobs of the world are chosen by those with money
Your attitude is typical of a person who has been brainwashed into thinking that it's the "rich corporations" who are running the country.
Think about this - what do you think would happen to this country if "everyone stopped spending money for a week". Then tell me who controls the money in this counry - this country would shut down completely.
And if you think we have an unemployment problem now see what happens should this occur.
It is all a matter of who is spending, how much is being spent, and where the money is being spent that determines the health or weakness of the economy - not big business. Think about it.
the banks would still have all the money they need
And just who owns that money and who is depositing it in their banks - the people are
the people owe that money
Since the 50's?
NO
Since time began.
Did you live since time began? If not you haven't experienced it. If you lived in the 50's then you will know what I am talking about "with regard to the United States" not other countries.
If you have not noticed - government - all - government - is about control.
The technique used here in the USA changed it's approach somewhat back in the 50's in that it really started to use psychological warfare on the population.
Fear of the atomic bomb fear of the communist fear of anyone not like our mainstream apple pie American stereo-type.
Refer madness and the red menace.
Let me ask you - why is the government in control - it's because the people want the governmet to do for them what they should be doing for themselves.
We have a system where people can vote and if they decide not to who's fault is that. We have a system where people can force the government to change but the vast majority are "passive" and want the government to take care of them.
Obimantion healthcare is a prime example. Look at all the laws that were enacted that have control over what we do and how we do it.
Look at what the governor of NY is dong with regard to controlling what we eat - the people love it - his ratings are high because that's what people want
Look at Californication - they are in debt up to their eyeballs but yet the people there continue to expect the government to do for them.
Look at the smoking bans imposed on people in public places.
Don't give me this crap that "government is about control" - it's the people who caused this to happen and the government is responding to their "wants and desires"..
I guess when the private sector has sold us out, the gov't becomes the only game in town. I guess the fact that so much people are turning to gov't shows that the private sector has lost its mojo. I guess if the private sector was more concerned with creating good jobs for the people and not worried about just their bottom line, then they would not be out classed by the gov't.
Wow, this whole chain of events gives me a little faith in the biblical verse, "You reap what you sow." When Companies treat their employees like a commodity, is there really any surprise that we have lost faith in their works and turned to a different power structure?
Who says it's the responsibility of the private sector or the public sector to create jobs anyway. Where do jobs come from - or should I say how does a person become employable?
There is only one commodity that a person has to sell if that person has nothing else - it's their labor and knowledge. That's what this country was built on.
Things may have changed over the years but a peson still can go out and become rich if they chose to do so.
Many a millionaires failed miserably before they became millionaires but it was their persistence in the end that made them millionaires - not "well I guess I will just give up and hope for the best" or "I can't do this this is too hard" or "I don't have the skills or knowledge to do this so forget about it".
indeed
the government should be creating jobs like a public healthcare system
Exactly. Gas bill and electric bill? What? Suppose I wanna live in the woods in a cabin with no running water, or heat or electricity? LOL. These people are such hypocrites.
It's a purposeful, attempted exclusion of minorities and the poor. Illegal immigrants are less of a threat to this country than the politicians, who seem hell-bent on destroying the last vestiges of economic equality and political freedom of the working class.
Another great comment, TitusMoans. You are exactly right!
Thanks.
Well now that depends on whether you're on this side of the fence or that, doesn't it? If you're on the side that pays for your children to attend public education or either purchases or works for employer provided insurance to ensure the health of your children, or pays for example Federal, State, or local taxes... or merely someone who intends to grow elderly in this nation - you are decidedly anti-illegal.
Our fear, honestly, is that in the future we will not be able to dig a hole deep enough to erase the memory of your despicable existence, but we will certainly try.
I'm not sure what side of what fence you're on. I'm sure that I pay as much or more than you do in taxes, school bonds, insurance premiums etc, but that doesn't make me xenophobic.
If a vaccine existed for xenophobia, I'm sure you would have received it by now, along with your treatment for hydrophobia.
Somehow I suspect you are NOT being honest here, now are ya? This isn't xenophobia, it's personal defense. So why don't you stand up and put your balls where they're supposed to be, instead of caving to the fear of a minority??? You're not only selling your mother here with this healthcare bill, you are selling your children, too.
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Read it!
It also assumes that you are both connected to the power grid, and consuming gas. In other words, you must be a dilligent consumer conformist renter/mortgagee, to legally drive in Georgia.
Well, that is not necessarily true - there providison to allow for people who don't have rent receipts/mortgages or other forms of identification required.
You wrote the provisos above in the OP. If you missed out on some important points, go back and edit it, please.
I like it, I really, really, like it.
Start with some govt intrusion. Add a pinch of anti immigrant fervor, A dolup of anti latino racism, healthy portion of anti ederly age discrimination, some anti black racism, And finally anti democrat voter suppression and you get........................
Right wing wacko 1% plutocrat republican policy.
Stop the evil doers before it's too late.
The reason for all the nonsense that goes on with the government is two reasons - the people of this country who want the government to do for them what they can't do for themselves and the government itself that doesn't follow laws that it enacts that the people want.
Huh? voter suppression is wrong! Support OWS. Vote out pro ALEC politicians.
Good for georgia. you need about the same in nj.