Forum Post: Gen. Wesley Clark on PNAC agenda
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 23, 2011, 9:38 p.m. EST by EXPOSED
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Those who saw the republican debate yesterday noticed that they all (Except Paul) agreed on one thing: regime change in Iran. Also, there was a question from the crowd about Somalia and how the US intends on dealing militarily with them. This reminded me of a video where in 2007 Gen Wesley Clark exposes the fact that PNAC (neocons) has a predetermined agenda to regime change in the following countries: Iraq, Iran. Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan.
The revolution in Libya was phoney. Gaddafi ws ruthless but there was no organic movement for regime change in Libya. Same thing is happening in Syria, there is no organic revolution. Independent reporters on the ground attest that the ones doing the killing are hired mercenaries (otherwise known as Alqaida, a code name for western intelligence blackops patsies in the middle east really), just like in Libya. http://tarpley.net/
I mean look up who was leading the rebels in Libya, look up who Abdel Hakim Belhajj and his lieutenants are. they were backed by NATO even though they are known "ALQaida" assets! http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MH30Ak01.html
Somalia will be brought in the discussions in the following months no doubt. Here's the video of Wesley Clark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha1rEhovONU
This is lunacy, WE'RE NOT SPREADING FREEDOM OR LIBERATING ANYONE and this country's broke. Libya is effectively ruled by extremists now and there's now "AlQaida" in Iraq were there wasn't before.
We better wake up
Brilliant Post! Please try and keep this post at the top. Not enough people are aware of these facts and they are critical.
Warfare is the most profitable enterprise on this planet for a few, and horrendously expensive for the many.
I'm not so sure that Libya was phony. I doubt that very much. Being backed by NATO means nothing. The U.S. sought backing by France in the Revolution, too, but that did not mean we were French puppets. We just needed more strength and sought out partners.
Regime change in Iran will be far costlier than in Iraq. Iran is driven by religious fundamentalism. Even self-interest is not likely to soften its tone, as Amahdinajad wants to destroy Israel even if that should mean total destruction of Iran because doing so will make him a great religious leader alongside the coming Mahdi. That means, once war starts, it will be all-out war. I don't see how our country can afford that unless and until it becomes essential. Republicans seem to think we have an endless supply of economic power with which to wage war and shape the world.
--Knave Dave http://TheGreatRecession.info/blog
"there was no organic movement for regime change in Libya"
you are embarrassingly mistaken
There were protests for better wealth redistribution not for regime change. You're the one embarrassingly wrong I'm affraid: http://tarpley.net/
Moreover, I know 2 Libyans here that still have family in Libya. They were being briefed on the situation and the protests were not for regime change at all originally, it was for better redistribution of wealth, they were somewhat riding the "Arab spring" wave without the regime change aspect. AFTER the no fly zone started the regime change aspect grew although it was still a minority of the population that were engaged in that, the majority believe it or not still supported Gaddafi. They knew who the rebels were, that's why...
Furthermore, the only truly unbiased, independent human rights organization fails to find proofs of the so called rapes and murders by Gaddafi forces, excuses which were used for the intervention: http://libya360.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/amnesty-international-no-evidence-of-rape-by-gaddafi-forces/
Just because CNN and the rest of the corporate media tell you a narrative it doesn't mean that it is true, most likely the reasons are not what they tell you. Always double, triple check with INDEPENDENT sources.
highly plausible argument - they just wanted a better deal from their beloved dictator
Excuse me???????????????
please include Obama in your statement and EXCLUDE
RON P A U L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Point taken. It's ironic and reveling that Hillary Clinton and Heinz (Henry) Kissinger are now best buddies. Back in the day she called Heinz a war criminal. I guess, now that she's a war criminal it's all water under the bridge.
I like RP, Cynthia McKinney and Paul Craig Roberts because they speak Truth from the heart.
Everyone knows Ron.Paul's stance (which I agree with). I'm not playing politics. Read the whole thing for gawd's sake
I'll edit it for u :)
Bachmann: Let's go to WAR! Gingrich: Let's go to BIGGER WAR! Perry: Let's cut foreign aid and go to WAR! Romney: We need to go to WAR! Santorum: We need to kill every muslim with a WAR! Huntsman: We need to go to Pakistan and start a WAR! Cain: If my handlers tell me to, I'll go to WAR!
Ron Paul: NO MORE WAR!!!
;)
Which of them served in the US military? Which of them has seen combat? I did the former, and thank the Mighty Aesir that I never saw the latter.
Here's a love song for Hillary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGPD0ZBiMs0
Ron Paul did ;)
Is RP a combat Vet? I didn't know it if he was. That's one thing I can hand to Algore.
He served as a physician I believe but he did serve yes.
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgment day comes
Yeah!
Now in darkness world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgment, God is calling
On their knees the war pig's crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
Oh lord yeah!
Ozzy!!!!
Back in the day, that was what OWS would have been. Kind of like Thomas Jefferson for the 20th century.
Yep. Ozzy might be an ate-up crazy mofo, but he's still one of my favorite performers.
There's a great video of Jr. Bush coked out like Ozzy at a press conference. Clinton is another well-known coke-head.
Yeah, I knew about Clinton. I'd like to see that clip of Bush. Where is it, YouTube?
I'm having a hard time finding it right now, but there are at least two videos showing Jr. totally spaced on coke.
If you find it definitely post the link if you can!
If I find it, I will damnsure post it. Try Barry Seal and Bush tail number.
(from below) Thanks for the link. It seems like a whole lot of new info is coming to light about JFK's assassination recently. Especially about our government's possible (probable) involvement. Get Oliver Stone on the phone, it's about time for a sequel!
One frustrating thing for me is that it takes an individual a lot of time to examine the sources and cross check things. I've spent weeks just on JFK.
The conclusions of this video are not as compelling as JFK II, but the evidence that JFK Jr. was assassinated is compelling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EK2swspKgw
I didn't used to be a "conspiracy theorist", but some things beyond the realm of "polite conversation" caused me to realize that history is quite often not accurate, and recent history is rife with fiction, half-truths and out-and-out lies.
Even mentioning the names of the researchers I'm referring to would likely get me banned.
(from below) Yeah, what was Colby thinking anyway? Didn't he realize that after-dinner canoe rides have killed more people than all the wars in history combined? ;-)
It's been reported that Colby said something the the effect that "Bush and Hunt were running things in Dallas when Kennedy was shot, but they were only taking order from people like the Dulles brothers and the Rockefellers". I've never been able to confirm that, but here's the source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E71JOLPGV6I
CIA flu! Highly contagious, 100% fatal. No known cure.
It killed William Egan Colby.
(from below) Pre-testimonial lead poisoning! That's hilarious. When you run in certain circles, like Seal playing both sides, you're probably going to die by (ahem), suicide or (cough cough) car accident. Pre-testimonial anxiety, that's a new one.
There's always CIA flu.
Interesting how so many things in this country tie together in the most unlikely ways (this is actually a reply to your comment below; ran out of 'reply' buttons). I'm going to google that Bush - Seal connection tomorrow. I like that 'inside story' shit.
Go the other direction, and you will find Seal - who died of pre-testimonial lead poisoning - inherited his planes from David Ferrie - who died of pre-testimonial anxiety prior to his scheduled appearance before the Garrison Grand Jury. Interestingly, they both knew Lee Harvey Oswald.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2GG7KD9Zgo
Barry Seal. Now that's a name I haven't heard in quite a while. Very interesting story there. Tells you a lot about this government of ours, don't it? And if memory serves me right, that number you mention was the tail number of an airplane, right? About Seal's airplane being formerly registered as being owned by the feds?
No. In this case, subsequently owned by George W. Bush. It traces back to David Ferry, and Lee Harvey Oswald(innocent).
in case you haven't noticed, those countries are run by thugs. if we help them help themselves, i'm good with that. i would rather us fund a few rebellions then keep paying extortion to their neighbors like Saudi and Israel for strategic advantage.
Obviously you don't know who's ruling Iraq or Libya for that matter. If you think we're helping anyone other than corporate interests you're a fool, a damn fool. And we're not helping anyone by funding killers that kill civilians and then CNN tries to pass that as Assad doing the killing. What an asinine post.
the ruse of peace in the middle east was because we shell out billions every year to prop up dictators that make sure we get cheap oil. in return they get money and arms to repress their people. this has been going on since the end of ww2. all the leaders set to fall either get a check from us or are the reason we have to write the checks. it's called extortion and it's coming to an end. if you are ok with paying extortion, just say so.
In case you're not aware, the US has the largest oil reserves that are unexploited (1st or 2nd not sure). we don't have to depend on SA, hence the outrage. In the bigger picture it's all connected with the monetary system and about "exporting" our inflation via the oil exchange. That is why the monetary system and The Fed's policies are at the core of all this madness...
Yes, and who established/owns the FED? Same folk established the corporation in D.C. . The Bank of England. The background is facinating and crucial if we are to solve the puzzle. 500years of power consolidation and British Imperialism -U.S. Is just a proxy...and Britain is just a puppet. statism is dead. Gordian knot of corporate consolidation and diversification. http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/#comment-413890
let us examine just a few things we use it for.
http://www.anwr.org/features/oiluses.htm
and our reserves will be gobbled up in a heart beat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_oil
the fed is guilty of a lot of things but they have nothing to do with the reality that every resource has limits. oil is just the first in a long list of resources we have abused.
Your 2 links have nothing to do with the subject at hand. My point is that the US has huge unexploited reserves of oil, we don't have to be extorted or depend on the Middle East for oil IF it wasn't for the fact that we need a way of getting rid of our dollars (oil bourse). Why do you think we haven't had hyperinflation despite all the printing by the Fed? We need a way of diluting the money supply and the oil exchange is our way of "exporting" our inflation. In that sense the dollar is not a true fiat currency as it is linked to oil as the world reserve currency. That is one of the reasons why we CHOOSE to import the oil from the middle east instead of producing it here and why we have to keep meddling in that area.
BTW we won't be running out of oil anytime soon, get off of that cloud...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574470700973579402.html
I know who /was/ ruling Iraq. Life-long Kissinger gofer, Lewis Paul Bremer III
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/08/lewis-paul-bremer-iii-on-washington-dc.html
Full Transcript
Lewis Paul Bremer: Nat'l Commission on Terror
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Didn't he "lose" a few $billion USD over there?
When I posted,I didn't even realize Andreas Strassmeir was mentioned in that article. Go fish!
BTW Clark cannot be trusted.
You are correct 100% -imperialism masked as democracy. It's a 500year old progression and consolidation- learn how they did it or we can't untie the knot. http://occupywallst.org/forum/interesting-read-about-the-constitution-and-corpor/#comment-413890
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We couldn't be more awake. These countries that you feel the need to support openly call America the devil and then send their citizens to 9/11 us. You wake up!
"call America the devil and then send their citizens to 9/11 us"
12/19 hijackers Saudis
LMAO keep sleeping zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Very well said, Thank YOU!!!! Project for A New American Century, thought that was all but forgotten.
The neocons are still there, they're the front men of the MIC...
Oh I know, "For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -David Rockefeller
agreed