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Forum Post: Gadafi is killed and I get angry.

Posted 8 years ago on Oct. 20, 2011, 8:33 a.m. EST by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT
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Seems we killed Gadafi but the story of how will not be told. Some informants on the ground, in live tell that he was captured and was going to be brought to justice and same time we read he was killed while he was escaping.... It´s all a cover-up so he doesn´t tell all the secret arrangement he made with most of our countries.

I think Gadafi ain´t an example to follow but my country, Italy and many more where shaking his hands 1-2 years ago.

I´ll take a deep breath and except I´m nobody and the truth is whatever you want to believe....

Update: I didn´t know that Libya under Gadaffi was the richest country in Afrika, no crime, good education.... In other words, its gonna be hard to make life better for the Libyans under a new regime. So I can understand it wans´t celebrationday for everyone yesterday.

All my solidarity and love to the people and wish them a strong and healthy recovery.

LAST UPDATE: this Autralian has some idears that I support and explains the death of Gadafi and many other political activities around the world. Don´t bother watching it if you reject conspiracy theories, but otherwise, I advise it to everyone and make of it what you want. This guy believes we are dominated by a few families and this is shaping the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQT2K75auuU&feature=share

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[-] 2 points by GinaLola (210) 8 years ago

I found out today that he was sodomized with a two foot long stick before he was beaten, dragged and then shot. I saw the videos of this and of his death. It was very heart breaking. Whatever he was, he didn't deserve that for a leader that instituted real growth, democracy and reform in his country where he housed, educated and medicated everyone who needed help. And all of this because the international banksters wanted the massive gold he had stored up to change his monetary system back to the gold standard and his pristine oil, the cleanest around. They had to kill him because if he had started this trend of going back to the gold standard, it would have ruined United states and its fiat moneyed stock market system that is all a facade where the money and value doesn't actually exist. We would have been left the most worthless nation on earth. But if this is the way Libya sets out on their road to "freedom," they're already doomed.

[-] 2 points by seaglass (671) from Brigantine, NJ 8 years ago

Gaddafi was a tyrant good riddance.

[-] 2 points by LaoTzu (169) 8 years ago

So sad that we have to resort to celebrating the death of another human being.

[-] 1 points by PlasmaStorm (242) 8 years ago

Ghadafi destroyed a passenger airliner and was actively plotting a submarine attack against a cruise ship until the Egyptian president stopped him. And this is, of course, just the tip of the iceberg with him.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well after that he became many European leaders friend, so not all you here about him makes sense.

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[-] 4 points by LaoTzu (169) 8 years ago

You don't solve the problem of murder with murder.

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[-] 3 points by LaoTzu (169) 8 years ago

Violence is never the answer.

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[-] 0 points by LaoTzu (169) 8 years ago

That's your belief.

[-] 2 points by enlightened (177) 8 years ago

Why don't you ask Dubya?

[-] 2 points by demonspawn79 (186) 8 years ago

Hmm...kill, torture, main. So when do we get to kill George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair and all the rest? They are just as guilty of murder and torture as Gaddafi ever was. Obama even assassinates U.S. citizens who have never been charged with a crime. Where's the rope?

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

It´s just the phrase of Bush that defines is the way we live: "If your no with us, your against us". Its not a question of whom is good or whom is bad anymore. You just have to pick a side. For me, that is not possible. I got raised by parents that want me to make the distiction between good and bad. Now that doesn´t make life pleasant these days. But demonstration for good causes still gives me hope. Really hope OWS and other movements can restore some values.

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[-] 0 points by demonspawn79 (186) 8 years ago

No, soldiers just follow orders. They do not declare war. They do not invade countries.

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[-] 0 points by demonspawn79 (186) 8 years ago

Soldiers are paid to kill people, it's their job. Like I said, soldiers don't declare war. They don't decide who to invade or not. My sister did three tours in Iraq and got sent home with a tumor in her throat, don't fucking keep going with this.

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[-] 1 points by demonspawn79 (186) 8 years ago

You have the mentality of a five year old. 9-11 was a fucking false flag attack. Anyone who still doesn't see that is either in complete denial or a complete moron. Which one are you?

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[-] 1 points by occupytheworld (55) 8 years ago

Actually they found concentrations of Thermite in the dust of the explosion, and trace amounts in the molten metal burning days later. Not to mention the fact that a jet liner could NOT have done that to a building. Sheesh. Sheeple these days.

[-] 1 points by MCFADDENlives (2) 8 years ago

no we're not! just watch this youtube video rolls eyes lol

is that the answer to everything nowadays? " well...well...here'a link....(from the ever reliable internetz ZOMGROTFLOL) or a youtube video some 19 with Sony Vegas produced putting together the same news footage over and over. Don't believe the lies!"

when are we going to be real and admit we have very little access to "the actual truth" and it's just a lot of overemotional opinion?

[-] 1 points by occupytheworld (55) 8 years ago

We have perfect access. You just have to shovel through a mountain of garbage to get to it.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Just a question, can you check out these 4 minute satire about 9-11 and tell my what you think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=share

[-] 1 points by MikeyD (581) from Alameda, CA 8 years ago

What I think? I think 9-11 has more conspiracy theories than a dog has fleas. If they were evidence based, you'd have more than 10% following. Outside of the 9-11 commission report, there have been a multitude of independent analysis of the 9-11 report data. The independent analysis confirms the official findings. The conspiracy theories, on the other hand, are riddled with holes and completely lacking in evidence.

[-] 1 points by demonspawn79 (186) 8 years ago

There's more physical evidence and motive to prove that Larry Silverstein had the towers demolished to cash in on a massive insurance policy than there is of some former CIA operative living in a cave in Afghanistan did it. Do you ever take a step away from FOX News and question the bullshit your government feeds you? Obviously not.

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[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 8 years ago

Are you talking about the US military or Gadafi?

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

Would you rather he kept on killing?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

stop all killing

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

Sadly, that can't be done. It is part of the human condition. That's not to say we shouldn't work to reduce the needless killing of others.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

start by not killing ourselves

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

But be assured that I won't hesitate to kill someone who is attempting to kill me or my family.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

while killing someone removes its capacity to kill others,

its death destroys its capacity to do anything

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

Yeah, like kill me or my family. Him or me, baby, it's him.

[-] 1 points by LaoTzu (169) 8 years ago

Of course not but look at what happened to Bin Laden. Everyone celebrated his death. That is not a human trait. If anything they would be saddened by such a tragic turn of events. No human being should have to die. Including our enemies. And this is coming from someone who lost family and friends at 9/11

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

What is being celebrated is the end of their killing of others.

[-] 1 points by LaoTzu (169) 8 years ago

The killings of others will never end. As long as people continue celebrating the killings of others.

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[-] 1 points by owstag (508) 8 years ago

"no crime" -Lol! What, are you like 15 years old or just really, really stoned? Totalitarian regimes always have low crime rates - if you don't count the crimes committed by the regime itself. Gadaffi admitted responsibility for downing a passenger jetliner full of civilians, and is known to have butchered many of his own people.

Again, loosen the tin foil hat. And no more bong hits for at least another hour.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Hard to argue your believes. Reading your message, looks like your more an excelarated coke-sniffer. Anyway, you made a good point, the iron fist of Sadam and Gadaffi didn´t admit much crime. But your not the first here on this site that says he is anti totalitarian, and at the same time I know you are pro-totalitarian (as long as its not in your country and the leader is a Friend of the states)

[-] 1 points by owstag (508) 8 years ago

I thought I said no more bong hits for another hour? I find your latest retort even more cranky; how exactly is it that you think you 'know I'm pro-totalitarian'? Are you suggesting you can read my mind? The only person here whose spoken kindly of a known tyrant is you. Lulz...

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

The only tyrant I feel some sympathy for is Fidel Castro. Its just the way you start calling me 15 or really stoned that me me suspect you are an extremist with a little less knowledge that the average person I know. And most of the Americans (that start there conversation your way) often believe it´s good to free the people from a tyrant if they put a regime in place that suites them, and normally the new pro-american government following your enemy is allowed to be as totalitarian as they want. Anyway, I supose you need a joint yourself to relax a little and I don´t blame you for being a little edgy. Cheers mate.

[-] 1 points by owstag (508) 8 years ago

Gaddafi was killed by the same Arab Spring movement that supposedly is your inspiration. Loosen the tin foil hat please...

[-] 1 points by tympan55 (124) 8 years ago

Truth is a fiction. Put ten people in a room, have them experience an event, and you will get ten different versions of what happened, all based on the person's individual perspective. What we get from any interpretation of events is an attempt to portray the event as having a certain complexion. I can't think of one news agency that isn't biased in it's presentation of the, "truth."

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Yes I know, and I changed my mind. It was a war going on and when you start one, the objective is to win. Propaganda and information is part of the war so well just have to accept there is no truth. Anyway, looks like all 10 people in the room seem to say "WE WON, OR THE PEOPLE WON!!", lets just celebrate hey? Well I just hope that the mayority of the world will want some change and that Occupy Wall Street will lead to a more peacefull (r)evolution.

[-] 1 points by sonsanddaughters (4) 8 years ago

Now it's time for the RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE Royals of Saudi Arabia and Bahrain to step down in favour of the people lest they have the same fate......IT'S ONLY A QUESTION OF TIME...ONLY TIME :):)!!!!!

[-] 1 points by sonsanddaughters (4) 8 years ago

Now it's time for the RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVE Royals of Saudi Arabia and Bahrain to step down in favour of the people lest they have the same fate......IT'S ONLY A QUESTION OF TIME...ONLY TIME :):)!!!!!

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Why do you want them to step down. I hope they organise elections with more then one party!! Otherwise yes, some different actions sound fair.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

I didn´t know that Libya under Gadaffi was the richest country in Afrika, no crime, good education.... In other words, its gonna be hard to make life better for the Libyans under a new regime. So I can understand it wans´t celebrationday for everyone yesterday. All my solidarity and love to the people and wish them a strong and healthy recovery.

[-] 1 points by TroubledYouth45 (71) 8 years ago

All part of the One world Government.

[-] 1 points by misunderstood101 (68) from Los Angeles, CA 8 years ago

I don't think Gadafi was a bad man..just misunderstood by the great propaganda machine.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well, hard to tell, but when he came to power, it looked like the people of his country loved him. Lateron, maybe he became somewhat greedy, and didn´t share enough in my opinion. Well, I won´t miss him, but maybe the people in his country will dream of the peace they had for many decades, and that doesn´t seem so likely for the near future.

[-] 1 points by misunderstood101 (68) from Los Angeles, CA 8 years ago

now there are other countries rulers ready to fall just hope we don't get a worst leader then the ones that fell/or about to fall...a known evil is much more manageable then an unknown one..

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

I´m also interested to see what will happen at home. You and me have nice looking guys in "power", but seems the ones that rule our countries became to egoistic and now might loose control, and then we get the unknown.

[-] 1 points by misunderstood101 (68) from Los Angeles, CA 8 years ago

i believe we get pre-approved leaders hand picked by unseen faces.They have the same ideological methods with different style of doing it and we get to pick which one we like..of course they look good...for the cameras

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Yep sad but true. Anyway, lets hope everybody will feel like that soon, then maybe there is hope for a different system (but you never know for sure if the next system will be better)

[-] 1 points by Oolith (40) 8 years ago

I was pretty shocked when OWS did not even say diddles in solidarity for another, Libya had a great victory today. The whole world spoke about it. OWS voice was noticeably missing.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well it´s not clear to me how great today is for Libya, but there is defenitly hope for more freedom in the country soon. Then again, last few wars were Europe and USA decided the people are suposed to be happy were total lies (Irak, Afganistan as some examples) Lets hope we let the people from the country decide and not try and decide for them.

[-] 1 points by Oolith (40) 8 years ago

So you were pro-Gadaffii?

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

No not me, but Obama, Zapatero, Berlusconi and most of our leaders became pro Gadaffi not long ago. Then something happend and suddenly they decided he was a terrorist again.

I personly had a good 2 month backpaking experience in Cuba 12 years ago were I realised the locals (some 60-70%) were happy with there country and since I look at "freedom" in a different way. I got my years in Europe that I´m happy and just except most of the nonsence we get feeded by the media, but for some reason, during the last month I get angry with all the pro-western culture propaganda.

Refering Libya, I just have this vage idear, the locals are going to live in a hell for at least a generation. Hope I´m wrong, but normaly i´m not.

[-] 1 points by Oolith (40) 8 years ago

I am usually not wrong either. I though Gadaffi was dead and his children using him as a Weekend with Bernie. But I was wrong. It would have been nice to collar him One of my best collars was a general in the Antarctica, but when a mod descends even the best of leaders fear them. It takes mob training to deal with mobs.

[-] 1 points by TechJunkie (3029) from Miami Beach, FL 8 years ago

"We" didn't kill him, Libyans did. I'm not surprised to see the conspiracy theories begin though...

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well with "We" i mean all those people who are now suposed to celebrate. And our representatives are (Obama is one of them, but so are all our European leaders) Who really killed him will remain a mistory and might lead to conspiracy.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well, now that everything should be over, lets barry him in the sea, continue with the propaganda and consider this a celabration day for Libia. But ih I wish humankind could be more peacefull.

ALL MY LOVE TO THE PEACEFULL DEMONSTRATIONS AROUND OWS.

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 8 years ago

The empire will pat itself on the back, even though it was the rebels who did it.

They now want to sabre rattle on Iran. Don't fall for it.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Looks like they still have a problem. Maybe the rebels were just a minority and the will have to occupy Libya for the safety of the locals (and make sure gas and oil is well managed)

[-] 1 points by frankchurch1 (839) from Jersey City, NJ 8 years ago

Ah, no. They should nationalize their oil.

[-] 1 points by guru401 (228) 8 years ago

Look for an even more hostile regime to take over in Libya now...just like the case in Egypt.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

dead men tell no tales

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Your right, and the tales we we see in the newspapers are way nicer anyway.

[-] 1 points by demonspawn79 (186) 8 years ago

North Atlantic Terrorist Organization

[-] 0 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

lol, well terrorist for a good cause.

[-] 1 points by demonspawn79 (186) 8 years ago

What a stupid comment.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Sorry, I have a different sense of humor, sarcasm, but I agree with you.

[-] 2 points by demonspawn79 (186) 8 years ago

There's really nothing funny about what's going on. I'm furious and you should be too. This is no time for jokes, innocent people are being murdered in the streets.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well you are right, and I´m furious too. You where the one making a joke calling NATO: North Atlantic Terrorist Organization

[-] 1 points by demonspawn79 (186) 8 years ago

It wasn't a joke, they are terrorists. Anyway, I'm just really pissed off right now. Sorry for snapping at you.

[-] 1 points by Bellaciao29 (99) 8 years ago

Gheddafi has been killed just like they have done with Osama Bin Laden. This stupid lie is useful to put an end to a war that NATO wasn't able to win.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

I understand, but it just shows our countries are part of the plot and that the truth is to hard to digest (like 9/11)

[-] 1 points by Bellaciao29 (99) 8 years ago

I perfectly agree with you and in ther same time I'm glad to realize that people who, thanks to the WEB, have understood the geopolitical situation are increasing. We'll have to digest the bitter truth next march, when Putin will be again the leader of Russia and BRICS will reach the highest point of cohesion in their fight against the arrogance of the western world.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Hey there, I tried to understand by the meaning of "cohesion in their fight against the arrogance of the western world" I was thinking this socalled new world order is benefiting the BRICS more then it is harming them.

Sure you lose most of the freedom to decide how to devellop or run your countries, so a very important negative effect of our world economy, but just wondering what you mean. I don´t like Putin, nore dislike him, but I´m sure you know so much more of how it feels approaching the "elections" next march.

[-] 1 points by Bellaciao29 (99) 8 years ago

In March Putin and Medvedev will exchange their roles to take advantage from the economic situation, which is favourable to their interests. Russia and its allied will be almost the exclusive owners of gas, oil and the blue water and his double missilistic system, in Leningrad (SanPietroburgo only for thr tourists) and Moscow, will be able to protect itself, China, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. In December, when the resolution ONU about Afghanistan will end its effects, the States will have to come back home. As a matter of fact China and Russia have already announced their intention to put the VETO. Karzai has left USA and has signed a military alliance with China and Pakistan. This country has built a great lot of enormous ships made of titanium to take its goods all over the world. From March on China and Russia will put their veto in every situation and will start a policy of great Powers. I can't tell you everything I know in a comment, but I won't let you misundertood. I collect these news since a lot of time and I usually think a lot before speaking. I invite you to think about the following consideration. The economic collapse of the real economy and the invention of the financial one has begun on the 9.11.2001, when the States lost the WW3.

[-] 1 points by Bellaciao29 (99) 8 years ago

We are at the end of the western time. That's why nobody feels ready to face the situations of the real wife.The world need a quick and deep change and that will become only when the BRICS will assume the mondial leadership. Obama has just announced, as I had foreseen, that in two months all the american troops will come back home. Thanks to you, too and all the best. Bye.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Thank you for your views. I´ll will have some thinking about it. I try to get the picture, also because I´m lost in this world and don´t know what to do with life because nothing makes sence these days. Well last month I did lots of studiing and I believe the picture is getting closer and closer to reality, but still can´t really see how I (we) fit into all of this. And yes I agree that just before or around 9-11 something happened that put the USA (and Europe maybe aswell) in a checkmat situation. thanks again.

[-] 1 points by Bellaciao29 (99) 8 years ago

I'm always ready to collaborate with you and this Movement. Go on fighting as far as the victory.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

we want to be in control of our countries

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well these days when I read the newspapers (The american ones), it looks like Europe is suposed to be part of your countries. What have we done wrong? Well luckely you have other priorities first.

[-] 1 points by guru401 (228) 8 years ago

What will the Nobel Peace Prize winner do next?

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Looks like he we help the poor Iranians no?

[-] 1 points by guru401 (228) 8 years ago

Why not. Let's invade everybody!

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[-] 1 points by NYCJames (113) 8 years ago

To be fair, not trying to apologize for GE, but the reason why GE didn't pay taxes is because it is so ingrained in our economy that it gets tons of deductions and write-offs (like for green-technology). It's not like they are free-loaders.

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[-] 1 points by NYCJames (113) 8 years ago

I didn't realize GE was a human being.

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[-] 1 points by NYCJames (113) 8 years ago

I'm absolutely at the right rally. I just like to stick with facts, and am a person who tends to stay grounded, is all. That's the difference between you and I. :D

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[-] 1 points by NYCJames (113) 8 years ago

See this would be example of how I stick with facts and you don't. I haven't defended GE evading taxes. I'm simply pointing out that deductions and credits are how the federal government fosters policy. Creating a green valuation is good for America. GE is as close to a Zaibatsu as America can have. What do you expect?

Now does that mean we shouldn't cut corporate loopholes, and the system isn't flawed? It certainly is. But you're too busy jumping to conclusions and being hostile to have a serious discussion on it, so I'm moving on. :D

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[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Yes, nothing surprising, but still a little frustrating. Especialy when you follow the live story on Aljezeera live and you see how they are changing the story every minute and every minute it becomes a more and more made up cover-up story.

[-] 2 points by Nicolas (258) from Québec, QC 8 years ago

Nothing surprising indeed. They have been playing us, the people of the world, against each other for a long time. But the jig is up. We are waking up.

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[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

I know, but the people on the ground that tell the story, tell the truth, but 2 seconds later that doesn´t count anymore. And then Aljezeera, CNN and BBC will tell the same story written somewere else. Anyway, we believe what we want to believe, but the truth (what you see happening, we not be told in a few hours)...

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

people on the ground can't be trusted to say what they witnessed ?

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

but they can be present as their words

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

I some sort of agree with you, but the question: What are we seeing here? is told in the same way in all of the West and does only make sense to those that look with there eyes shut. Then again, who am I to question the professionalism of BBC, CNN, Al Jezeera... (protocols are not the way you say in my opinion)

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[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

I thought about this story again, and lets be honest. The objective is to win. Now that the rebels (with our help) got very close, we have to continue. We deliver the rebels arms and propaganda. Now we have to give this story a happy ending and hope the country will become a better place to live in. So I sort of agree that we don´t tell the truth even if I´m still angry because the picture cannot be presented from both sides.

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[-] 1 points by michaelbravo (222) 8 years ago

we didnt kill khadafi i haventseen the story yet but libyians are very angry with him they were killing blacks just because they are black thats what happens in a revolution innocent people die and sometimes tyrants ..thats why evolution is better than revolution..hey paisano..tell your soccer team to keep it cool they might blow it for all of you..we all have to keep it cool and fight smart and non violent..we are all in it together now..i have family in trieste..i live in california..i made this..post it up in italy eh?..chow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrDLwSgg24

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Hey Michael, we`ll never know the story I supose. Lots of Lybians were angry with Gadafi sure, but that they were just killing blacks because they were black ... sounds more like propaganda to me. Refering the violence in Italy: It´s a shame and I think they don´t play it smart and cool as you point out. Hopefully they stop and take a different strategy, but the power and way of leading the country of Berlusconi is quit shameless too.

And when it comes to my football team I say: Olée, best team in history :).

[-] 1 points by michaelbravo (222) 8 years ago

cool paisano wish i had berlosconis girlfriend what a babe!! and if khadafi is dead i wish he was alive too...kiss a girl 4 me peace

[-] 1 points by jugjug (1) from North Bergen, NJ 8 years ago

I thought he has been captured?

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Looks like he has to many secrets and they killed him and make up some story. Its hard to know. Well maybe he´s still alive (Spanish web pages just sad he´s dead)

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

public trials can expose relations to criminal organizations not on trial

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 8 years ago

Hey he wanted african and arab countries to start trading in gold dienars and if america did not kill him the west would have to start paying for oil in gold. A request that we just could not afford to do. SO the gold rich libyan government ddid not want to trade in dollars so we Killed their leader.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Don´t know if thats the hole story, but I heard those rumors aswell. I can´t say i´ve been celebrating the war nor death against Gadaffi. Really hope the people there now will have a prosper and happy future (With big investments in Solar power fields, so they can sell us renewable energy, they have more then enough sun:))

[-] 0 points by marcxstar (167) from Los Angeles, CA 8 years ago

Sounds like the perfect news piece to distract the public's attention away from the OWS movement.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Not really, OWS is fighting the same forces as some socalled Terrorist. The fact that the press is not objective (but works for money, hidden agendas of the 1% and corporations) is our biggest enemy. Hope you agree.

[-] 0 points by marcxstar (167) from Los Angeles, CA 8 years ago

I wasn't suggesting that your post was a distraction.

I was suggesting that the news piece itself is a distraction by the mainstream media to focus attention away from the OWS movement .... indicating that the mainstream media is acting as the "enemy" (your words).

I'm not quite sure how you found disagreement with my comment.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Ah ok, no just a misunderstanding. I thought you were saying my post was a distraction.

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

The only US president to shake his hand is Obama.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well, Gadafi became a friend of all the west in the last few years.

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

He was never a friend of the US. Only Obama stupidly went over and shook his hand.

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 8 years ago

you are not very knowledgeable, bush was a fan! http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1194766,00.html

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

Rewarding him for destroying his WMD was a legitimate thing to do. The fact is, Gadafi saw what bush did to Hussein and Gadafi pooped his pants. Not exactly the basis of a friendship.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

maybe the US can scrap it's nukes to relieve debts to China

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

That would be a pretty stupid thing to do.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

all countries can fly the flag of nationalism

China might want to rule the world for the Chinese People

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

Yeah, I'm sure they do. But we don't want them to, now do we?

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

I´m not so sure, maybe they have a less agressive education and provide a better future then our actual system. Only problem is the chinese work so hard for so little and we don´t want that, now do we?

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

We see the world diffferently. You seem to passively accept dictatorial control. I don't. Freedom is a right and should be enjoyed by everyone on earth. America has not always been right. We are not perfect. But we also rarely get thanked for the good we do. No country provides more humanitarian support than we do. We fund most of NATO which has kept you free for decades. We disproportionately fund the United Nations, which many time works directly against us. If it were not for the US your country would be subjected to the Nazi regime which would have taken over Europe. Or, perhaps the Russians. Either way, you would have no freedom. No ruler who ascends without the will of the people and is regularly put up to a vote of the people need to be taken out at every opportunity.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well, I really want to thank you for sharing your idears and feelings, I honestly believe you are a good man even if I believe some of your idears are dangerous. (and I don´t agree on some very crucial matters, like i believe Castro is a fine example of someone that ascended with the will of the people). Hope you accept my sincere love and wish you all the best.

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

Do you have any idea how many people Castro and the government he forced onto the Cuban people have killed? Think about that. They have killed those who decent in Cuba for fifty years. Some of their citizens, in an attempt for freedom, have gotten into small boats to try to get to the US. If the Cuban government finds them, they shoot them. There is no way to justify that. The USA has not always been a saint, but no one gets shot for trying to leave, and it's one of the few countries where hundreds of thousands risk their lives each year to come here. The Chinese are very dangerous people. They kill their own, and wouldn't hesitate to kill others. The also implied that dictators can be ok if they are good to their people. They are never good to their people. None has been good in the history of the world. You said that if a dictator uses the power the got from their people wisely, then it's a good thing. No dictator ever gets power, they take power. No dictator should ever be allowed to stay in power. Being captive to a dictator should not be a part of the human condition.

As for your thoughts on 9/11.....you couldn't be more wrong.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well I don´t think it´s worth anything to try and point out the proofs that exist, that the 3 building that came down in new-york coundn´t have been provoked by 2 planes. Nor do i think it would make you a better man believing the other truth. I won´t call you wrong for your believes.

Then Chinese are dangerous in different ways. But right now, the American army is by far the biggest threat for most civilizations. And not all American accions have to be considered good by everyone. China is going to rule the world (or is ruling already), and for the moment they behave well in my country and we don´t get all the negative stories here.

Cubans trying to reach your coast is very sad. Often they have false hopes and somethimes they are right to give it a try. Likewise the Mexicans and the milions of Africans that try to reach Europe.

When it comes to the amount of cubans killed, I think we have different information again. I believe Castro and co have imprisoned many that where against the revolution, might even have killed many (but i don´t know that, and while I was back-packing in Cuba for 2 month, the locals told me about the boats and the lack of freedom, but not the killing).

As a liberal educated European, I have to say that we have to be open to the Chinese, might even have to learn there language and accept we are part of a world economy with many oportunities (just don´t know if we need a revolution at home first) and many frightning side effects, our politicians don´t seem to tackle.

For the moment I work in Spain for a big USA multinational that produces in China, so I supose I have to thank all 3 countries.

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

Something is breaking down with this site that eliminates the reply button at times. But here goes. I'm sorry, but you and I are very far apart. It is astounding to me that you were not aware that China was/is one of the most brutal countries ever. Millions killed to further the goals of the ruling party. I saw that you found good information about Libya. What is it that you like about dictators? They are tyrants and need to go. It seems that you build your respect for the Chinese by viewing the industriousness of the Chinese in your area. I don't doubt the industriousness of the Chinese in your area at all. But that has nothing to to with the country of China. Here is a simple way to measure countries. Just answer this question. Are people trying to leave the country, but are prevented? Or, are people attempting to enter the country illegally to better their lives. You can't just leave China, North Korea, Cuba and many other countries ruled by tyrants. Hundreds of thousands risk their lives to enter the USA illegally because doing so will give them hope and improve their lives. That is a big contrast, isn't it?

And I can't even respond to your statements about 9/11. To think it was orchestrated by anyone other than the extremist terrorists from the middle east is utter nonsense.

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Hey, got the reply button here!

Don´t know if we differ as much as you think. Well the information we absorb to form our idears might, but that can change from 1 day to another. I have never taken any interest and used to reject all questioning around 9-11, but then had some architects convince me differently, with some other documentaries and related information, there was no way I could continue believing in the story told on tv and newpapers 10 years ago.

Then when it comes to dictatorships; I just believe, that when a single group of a few men marches throug a country and gets the 99% behind them (or 85%), some of their Idears can lead to a better society, and what they manage is just changing the dictatorship (I´ve met very well informed Americans, and normally they have nothing against dictators, as long as the dictator is their friend or chosen one). If they use the power they got fron their own people wisely, it can be a good thing for the country.

Again, China is not my speciality, and maybe the rulers there have bad intentions, I just don´t feel they are the thing to worry about (Except they take our way of organising the world maybe a little to serious and are becomming like us)

My education is very Pro USA, my degree in Economics very liberal (but I didn´t always agree with all teachers, but thats ok, because we are suposed to be scientific).

I consider myself little more lefty than righty, wouldn´t harm a fly, and my idears can change. Right now I feel almost like a crazy guy because I tend to believe some conspiracy theories more than the mainstream info (and hope that will change soon because I can asure you, its no fun)

Last thing, it´s personal (but accept your opinion, but really hope not everyone thinks like you) this socalled cuban tyrant does earn more of my respect than many other leaders because I believe he is (was) good harted and not more greedy then an average person with little power, something really hard in his position.

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

less aggressive education? what do you mean?

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Hey Knowlegeable Fello, I had the same problem, couldn´t reply on your comment. I have always entered heavy discussions with my best friends. I havn´t been to China and the Chinese we see around the world are hard working "live and let live people". The disagreement I always had with my friends was around Cuba, were I traveled for 2 month. Now I´m sure those Cubans that didn´t like to give up everything they had for their "patria" were aloud to leave the country, put in jail or killed.

Supose China didn´t even give the locals the chance to leave their country. But a generation or so later, these people are way more respectfull than the average European and better organised (socially i mean), good healthcare....

When you ask me if I´m afraid of the Chinese mlitary power: Not at all, but I´m just one man that doesn´t care somuch about Power. Chinese are invading (have invaded) our countries already and I think they will use there military to defend themselves. In Spain (and USA also) they bought a lot of dept in return for a few sectors of the economy (restaurants and bars, foodshops, some agriculture and other all you need shops, and more and more.)

What I´m afraid of are the intensions of the 1%. (For me that might be reducable to, 0,01% but a little group is organising the world in such way, we have no saying.)

I personaly start to believe a few families have control over most countries and wealth. (Nothing wrong with that, but they don´t seem to care about our nature, some other core values, good and bad.., and they might have it in them to release a deadly virus that will kill 90% of our world population and keep them alive.

Why do I believe that? Lots of studiing after I came to the conclusion the 9-11 story was a big fake and the only explanation I had, was that USA (And likely Europe aswell) are in a check-mate status.

Well lets see in the next few month/ years if we can restore some old values like love and understanding. I believe OWS is a brilliant movement and might lead to peacefull changes (maybe even in the behaviour of the 0,01%, and I would be thankfull to them)

[-] 1 points by soloenbarcelona (199) from Barcelona, CT 8 years ago

Well I don´t get this feeling the Chinese obly us to think and behave like them. Their culture is more "live and let live" Europe and USA decided after WWII we needed a superpower to control the world, and since then we´ve been educated that most people that think dfferently from us are dangerous and a serious threat to the world and have to be eleminated.

It´s hard to deny that we are not taking part in almost all wars except when we really see no economical benefit. I believe we are more agressive in the sence, we accept wars too easily (to prevent wars or simply stay in power) On the other side, Chinese use the deathpenalty in their own country easier then any other country, but they except we are different.

[-] 0 points by KnowledgeableFellow (471) 8 years ago

soloenbarcelona.....the site didn't put a reply button on your comment, so here it is:

You think the Chinese live under the banner of live and let live? Really? What about the millions who were re-educated right off the face of the earth? China has one of the most brutal pasts in all of history. Why aren't you concerned with their enormous military?