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Forum Post: "Fusion Movement": March Against the Tea Pa(R)ty

Posted 7 months ago on Feb. 4, 2014, 9:16 p.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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Moral Mondays expands.

The organizer of the “moral march” on Raleigh, N.C., on February 8 says he wants the largest mass demonstration in the South since the 1965 Selma to Montgomery, Ala., civil right march to be a loud rebuke against Tea-Party extremism in state legislatures around the country.

“What we hope this march will do is send a signal around the country that if these legislatures in other Southern states start this extremism, this is what they will face in their state,” said the Rev. William Barber II, the head of the North Carolina NAACP and the leader of “Moral Monday” marches against the North Carolina legislature last year.

Barber addressed a conference call of progressive writers recently to mobilize participants in the march, which will be the centerpiece of an annual “people’s assembly” that takes place in Raleigh."

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[-] 4 points by Ache4Change (3158) 7 months ago
[-] 2 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

Tea Party's antics shook up the confidence in the full faith and credit of the U.S. That cost billions of extra dollars of interest payment that was totally unnecessary. It just piled on more debt for us and our posterity to pay.

Tea Party's blockage of using fiscal policy to perk up the economy caused missed revenue for the U.S. To compensate for the lack of fiscal stimulus, the Federal Reserve went on steroids and succeeded in boosting asset values largely held by the wealthy 1%. Trillions of created dollars and years later, the economy managed to fall off the "fiscal cliff" and grow at a tepid pace while inequality has widened.

The South needs to think through if the Tea Party policies and antics serve its needs well. Inequality is bad for most countries, including the U.S. I do not see how swelling the account balances of the wealthy 1%, tacking on of billions of dollars of interest charges to the national debt, or losing the additional revenues from enhanced economic growth rate could have served the South well.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

who are we paying this debt to and why ?

[-] 1 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

We are paying this debt to the investors including the Federal Reserve, the U.S. populace, China, Japan, U.K., Holland, etc. all because we borrowed their money so they charge us interests.

These interest rates are subject to the investors' confidence levels. The less credible the U.S. is, the higher the interest rates.

The debt is nearly 16.7 trillion dollars so every basis-point change (0.01%) in these interest rates is 1.67 billion dollars compounded. That is a HUGE sum of money.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

money by math has no upper limit

by eggs and milk the $5000 I'm being charge this year for being unable to pay my student loan

isn't a reasonable comparison

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

Shutting off FLAKESnews, and understanding the necessity of secular government, would help them a great deal.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

Human beings invented governments to further common interests not easily achievable otherwise. Until we discover something better, we should let governments govern. What did the shutdown of our federal government get us? A few billions of dollars worth of reduced economic activities, not to mention the loss of good will of our guests, the tourists.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

I'm talking about States here, and what the teabagge(R)s have done to them..

All in the interests of the Koch's and cohorts.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

I respect the sovereignty of the States of the South even if like Florida, they want the gamma rays, radium, and radon to stay and the EPA to buzz off or like West Virginia, they let Freedom Industries bestow them with the freedom to choose to drink or use the post-spill water.

I have the image that the South is fighting itself but it will wake up when things get bad enough. As a bystander, I can only offer my opinions and advices humbly because I do not know the local conditions enough to make a sound judgment. For example, Florida homes tend not to have basements (former swamp land is not good for them unless people want a basement swimming pool but I did not think of that although the advice about venting radon from the lowest part of the home still applies.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

Any State under the influence of ALEC and or the SPN is in no way, shape or form, sovereign. Even if they aren't, they are still under federal law, for things the serve the commons.

That could, would and should include, SHITTING their vile crap into ANY watercourse..! Among other things.

Are you one those States rights, small government kind of supporters?

I have a whole 'nuther way of looking at that.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

Historically, the states came before the United States. The states ceded some of their sovereign powers to the federal government of the union. We have a federal government that did not prosecute banking sector senior executives and board members for "SHITTING their vile crap" worldwide. We should therefore be very realistic about what can be done under the geoduck of Washington, DouchingCity where it is rewarding to hide a few feet under, cold, dark, and clammy and suck and spew as the tides come in.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

Historically, we used to be England.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

England is NOT part of our union - it was our enemy. Our thirteen states banded together and defeated Britain with the greatly appreciated help of France (New York has Lafayette Street and Washington has Lafayette Park, all right in their hearts). The states were sovereign and states' rights are embedded in our Constitution.

Our justice system does not allow capricious imposition of federal power. There must be a legal basis such as Clean Water Act, the Commerce Clause, U.S. Supreme Court precedents, etc. If our people elected Wall-Street-stooge "representatives" who chose to starve the EPA, it is not anyone else's fault because the ultimate sovereign is our people, the others being derived sovereigns.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

We were part of theirs, silly.

And please, don't start with the constitution bullshit.

Every State has one too, and the first thing Snyder did when he took office was shit on it.

When corporations are constitutionally considered human....there is no constitution on the federal level either. Please note it was conse(R)vative court that made that so.

[-] 2 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

Not any more - U.K. should actually be glad that they had lost our War of Independence. Without the U.S. growing big and strong, there would have been nobody to save it from Nazi Germany. Our and their merchant navies saved U.K. (starvation included) with convoys in the battle of the North Atlantic.

I presume that you are not a citizen of North Carolina. If Snyder messed up its constitution, we outsiders have very little say. As for Citizens United v. FCC decision, a bad decision does not abrogate the Constitution.

Our justice system did inherit from English common laws as well as rights which the English had long fought over and won for their noblemen. Yes, we have something to thank England for, too - at least the idea that we should chop the heads off of our Kings or Queens if they should violate our Constitutional rights.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

The Soviet atomic project was charged with gathering intelligence on the German nuclear energy project as well as the American nuclear efforts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_atomic_bomb_project

[-] 0 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

Are you trying to be funny? Nuclear fusion to go against the Tea Party. It is a very bad idea. The Tea Party may be repugnant with its politics but it is still formed of American citizens with rights and privileges.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

communism is often credited to marx

but community ownership is not a new concept

[-] 1 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

Communism in practice of the dictatorship of the Proletariat never worked anywhere in reality. Instead of the people owning the means of production, the police states with their eel-ites own the fruits of labor of the peoples. Communism in practice was a very cruel joke played on the peoples.

Although the U.S. form of Capitalism has worts all its own, even our proverbial "dogs" live better than many ordinary people living under the Communist regimes. It is not really something to boast of but the U.S. has 11-12 millions of illegal immigrants who do not belong here and yet they still CHOOSE to stay here. People really vote with their feet. Hopefully, people will do the same to the Tea Party once they have realized its essence and effects.

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

I was just following my postulate that the USSR was never a super power

that it was merely an excuse to industry USA to keep building for war

[-] 1 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

The U.S.S.R. was a superpower. It inspired the Chinese, Cuban, North Korean, etc. Communist dictatorships.

The Tea Party is a "superpower" in a similar sense that it is so solid and insolvable that it has plugged up our backyard Cesspool. Nuclear fusion to solve this plumbing job is too melodramatic. It was not the industries of wars which had created the Soviet superpower. It was our conflict with their ideology, plus their propensities to export their ideology abroad that mobilized the U.S. for the nuclear war that has not come, yet, and the many very hot theatrical military engagements worldwide in bygone decades.

[-] -2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

Blah!~~~~~

You always seem to respond to something I didn't say, while you avoid responding to what I did say to any noticeable degree..

Does that take a lot of practice?

Should I now assume that you are either a member or a supporter of "Sovereign Citizens"?

[-] 1 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

I did not practice to be evasive nor was it my intent if I had appeared so. I believe that every person is sovereign. I do not really care what these labels mean or not mean. I am a simple fellow - I may well be more literal than others in what I believe.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

Welp, if you can be so flip about Snyder fucking up our State constitution.

With the help of a decidedly conservative court mind you.

WTF, are any of them good for?

Please don't try and tell me you're some sort of Constitutionalist.

It wouldn't make any sense

[-] 0 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

North Carolina's press seemed to have censored themselves with the Duke Energy leak of coal ash - no more description of the amount of coal ash stored there. If the freedom of the press no longer exists in North Carolina, ALL prudent persons should just ignore it as a state of the United States, quietly of course, because there is NO modern-day Lincoln in sight anywhere.

Lincoln was assassinated in the Ford theater and JFK was assassinated in a Ford Lincoln. Thus were the results of the champions of the First and Second Emancipation. The Old South lives on and the Civil War endures (quietly).

[-] 0 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

Are you a citizen of North Carolina? If yes and if you invite me to intervene in your state's affairs, I am honored. It is the same thing as with our Founding Fathers sending Benjamin Franklin to the Court of France. The invitation provides the legal basis for intervention.

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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

news to distract us from projects that might lead to change

[-] 1 points by grapes (3038) 7 months ago

This is OLDs, not news but the South seems to need a reminder. That may be a reason for the South's relative poverty, it may not realize where its true interests lie so it fights against itself.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 7 months ago

Good news.

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago
[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

these pictures are more interesting than those stodgy suits we keep getting

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

If you liked the pictures?

Some video should send you into ecstasy.

http://www.occupy.com/article/protesters-march-raleigh-igniting-2014-moral-monday-movement

Still, I've seen a word in the MSM.

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 7 months ago

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