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Forum Post: From the NYC GA- Defining Insanity

Posted 1 year ago on May 22, 2012, 10:46 p.m. EST by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY
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Expanding The ConversationIs It Time For Some NEW Tactics and Strategies? ((OCCU-EVOLVE GOES BACK TO LIBERTY PLAZA with 10 Questions For OCCUPY WALL STREET))- PART 1

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Liberty Plaza Liberty Plaza New York City, NY 10006

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Date/Time Date(s) - Fri. May 25 2012 7:30 PM - 9:30 PM

Location Liberty Plaza Liberty Plaza New York City, NY 10006 Where The TRULY FREE WILL BE!

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Action It’s been said that insanity is ‘doing the same thing over yet expecting a DIFFERENT result’. Well because of our work with all Occupies and GA’s in the city as well as other movements, organizations and groups, we at Occu-Evolve would like to start the discussion about the Occupy Wall Street Movement.This will take place at our next work session(meeting) at Liberty Plaza this FRIDAY, where we will pose 10 Questions for OWS and the direction of this movement.

1.With emphasis of ‘shutting the city and or system down’ What will we create in it’s place? And in the long run will it be better?

  1. Is Anarchy the ONLY way to make change or philosophy we should follow?

  2. Does a ‘diversity of tactics’ only include the options of non-violence vs. self-defense?

  3. Have our ‘Tactics Strategies and Direct Actions’ helped our movement grow? Are we a Mass or Fringe Movement? And if we are a Mass Movement what makes us one?

  4. Seeing that this is not a Homogeneous country like Greece or Spain-How can consensus be achieved without SHARED values and why did we think consensus among a heterogeneous movement could be achieved without them?

  5. How can REAL change for this city happen if it’s being planned and organized only BELOW Union Square and by less than 0.1% of the city’s population?

  6. How can diversity within our movement be achieved when you use terms like ‘people of color’? I mean isn’t that boxing VARIOUS races and cultures based on color?

  7. Why isn’t community outreach and engagement as important as ‘Direct Action’ or is it?

  8. How do we address the very real critiques of the Decolonize Movement against Occupy Wall Street?

  9. Why will some of these questions be considered ‘traitorous’ within OWS and why is a diversity of ideas and strategies marginalized and looked down upon within OWS?

This will only be Part 1 of a ongoing series of meetings, discussions, planning and strategy for our movement. Stay Tuned

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[-] 3 points by TheMisfit (48) 1 year ago

-With emphasis of ‘shutting the city and or system down’ What will we create in it’s place? And in the long run will it be better?

OWS will not shut down any city and certainly no system, the numbers are against you. Grow up already.

-Is Anarchy the ONLY way to make change or philosophy we should follow?

Anarchy is all you have left since you have aliened the "99%" to the point where you will not have enough support to accomplish any real goals.

-Does a ‘diversity of tactics’ only include the options of non-violence vs. self-defense?

So now the GA is looking to advocate violence? You will lose, and sorely.

-Have our ‘Tactics Strategies and Direct Actions’ helped our movement grow? Are we a Mass or Fringe Movement? And if we are a Mass Movement what makes us one?

You are fringe and your "direct actions" only marginalize yourself further each day. The "99%" do not want to be associated with masked hoodlums smashing up cities.

-Seeing that this is not a Homogeneous country like Greece or Spain-How can consensus be achieved without SHARED values and why did we think consensus among a heterogeneous movement could be achieved without them?

You cannot achieve consensus in America. Ain't diversity grand?

-How can REAL change for this city happen if it’s being planned and organized only BELOW Union Square and by less than 0.1% of the city’s population?

It can't...next.

-How can diversity within our movement be achieved when you use terms like ‘people of color’? I mean isn’t that boxing VARIOUS races and cultures based on color?

Well, diversity keeps people separate in the first place. Until you can grow up and get beyond labeling someone based on race, nationality etc., you will never achieve total inclusion.

-Why isn’t community outreach and engagement as important as ‘Direct Action’ or is it?

Because community outreach isn't as fun as smashing things to a bunch of drugged up whiners.

-How do we address the very real critiques of the Decolonize Movement against Occupy Wall Street?

Disperse, then decolonize the parks and go home.

-Why will some of these questions be considered ‘traitorous’ within OWS and why is a diversity of ideas and strategies marginalized and looked down upon within OWS?

Why, because group think is so much less exhausting.

Now that was fun ;)

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

retitle this

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

I've revised the website title and URL

http://mittromney2012wouldbeanightmare.blogspot.com/2012/05/freedom-of-speech-by-immortal-technique.html

Why Mitt Romney Cannot Be President Of the United States Questions for Mitt Romney: Magical Mormon Underwear. Lying for The Lord, Bigotry, Secrecy and Polygamy

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I meant the title on http://occupywallst.org

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

revising the url will break already existing links

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

i know but i feel the new URL and title are more accessible. it's less than a day old after all

[-] 1 points by frogmanofborneo (602) from New York, NY 1 year ago

NYCGA has its own website. It's the official OWS website as a matter of fact. This website is "unofficial." http://occupywallst.org/about/

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) from Fort Walton Beach, FL 1 year ago

I don't take seriously any posts about official Occupy action unless it is posted in an area or manner consistent with approved messages. This is not one of those. If your post is genuine, you need to contact the website admin and request and official post.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 1 year ago

I would say anarchism is more properly viewed as a philosophy, an intellectual position, and not in itself a tactic. In general, anarchism tends to reject the idea that solutions can be imposed from the top down, although solutions implemented through collaborative efforts (where elected officials, community leaders, concerned citizens, and activist groups come together and formulate solutions) is certainly possible. My opinion is, I'd hate to see OWS lose its connection to the anarchist tradition, but there's also a danger of dogmatic inflexibility creeping in, and the imposition of unnecessary self-restraint (in terms of the forms of action we're willing to consider).

I think it would be beneficial for people to understand that every protest movement through time where oppressed people, the underprivileged, etc., sought to enhance their rights, has contained elements of anarchist thought. Take woman's suffrage. The idea of women as chattel property of men went back a very long time. Even the ancient Athenians, who invented direct democracy, held this view. So women like Susan B. Anthony could be considered anarchists (even though the term wasn't really used back in those days). She stood against the automatic presumption that women should be subordinate to men (and at its core that's what anarchism is, it challenges power relationships, where one party claims dominion over another).

[-] 1 points by gosso920 (-24) 1 year ago

10. Crapping on police cars didn't win us any sympathy from the public at large. Should we change our strategy?