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Forum Post: From Sam Adams To All the Anti-Protestor Trolls:

Posted 8 years ago on Nov. 18, 2011, 1:14 p.m. EST by nuclearradio (227)
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“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”

– Samuel Adams

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[-] 7 points by FawkesNews (1290) 8 years ago

"and furthermore, be it that ye ass not be struck by the door upon egress". Sam Adams may have removed this last little line before final edit.

[-] 2 points by Steve15 (385) 8 years ago

perfect thank you for the laugh my friend!

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 8 years ago

Thx.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 8 years ago

The typical answer of the weak minded individual. Here is some food for thought. My family fought in the first revolution so we will fight in this one as well. If you think I am leaving after almost 400 years of being in this country you are as stupid as a post and dumber than a spoonful of dirt.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 8 years ago

I may have left too large an opening in my sarcastic reply. I apologize. You could never have meant, that you and your family would fight in any revolution, wherein you would attain, wealth over liberty and tranquil servitude over the animated contest of freedom.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 8 years ago

That would be something I would never fight for myself or to impose upon any other. I seem to have misunderstood your post :-(

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 8 years ago

May I apologize for my sarcasm, and join you in your fierce patriotism.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 8 years ago

I thought I would join you in your fierce sarcasm :-)

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 8 years ago

Win. Win. I will be laughing all day. Thank you.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 8 years ago

You all know Congressman McGovern wrote a bill that can be fixed to remove funding from special interest groups.

Here is a draft of the bill.

The original bill http://mcgovern.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=15&sectiontree=168,15&itemid=579

A rewrite http://www.nycga.net/groups/political-and-electoral-reform/docs/amendment-28-to-the-constitution-of-the-united-states-of-america

Thoughts, comments, suggestion welcome

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 8 years ago

I admire the bill's core concept, even his clear wording. I question the motives of "any" politicians who appears to be pulling his own rug out from under his own feet. If sincere in his actions I hope others follow.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 8 years ago

The way Section 2 is worded by the Congressman I think is an attempt to regulate the contributions by the corporations. The amended version removes that text and adds an additional section that is specif in excluding corporation and those not identified are people in Section 2 from participating in the political process.

Thoughts, comments and suggestions.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 8 years ago

Initially I prefer the second draft, because I deem those who "deem", to be potentially questionable and uncertain in nature, as they have yet to present themselves or motive. My primary concern is the outdated references to "person". "Voter" may be a more appropriate term once it has been determined who should have the right to do that. I digress again. Please allow me some study time on the topic as I see more than a comic potential. Thank you.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 8 years ago

I am open to all suggestions as to how to fix this country.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 8 years ago

Thank you. I look forward to that.

[-] 2 points by OWSisawaste (133) 8 years ago

You people have so many "causes" and "ideals"......you are not organized and te best you cam come up with is a blog with forums as a way to "change a nation"?????????? Ou people are sad.....if you want to accomplish ANYTHING you would be wise to get more organized, elect a leader, and have some goddamn sense about how you go about business.

[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 8 years ago

So you're saying that you don't understand the issues. There is too much for you to comprehend. I think you should be asking questions instead of making suggestions. What is it you don't understand maybe I could help my friend.

[-] 2 points by OWSisawaste (133) 8 years ago

YOU ARE NOT MY FRIEND......im saying that you people are so disorganized and a bunch a dirty sweaty hippies and that are trying to make something out of a group people that are fed up with the country that gave them the privilege to be fed up............its sad really.

[-] 2 points by Steve15 (385) 8 years ago

Im sitting in my 3200 square foot colonial home in rural CT you idiot. These people and myself are not sweaty Hippies. Turn off your TV loser it's lying to you. And get an education, maybe you will realize the people stealing our liberties are the ones being protested. Did it ever dawn on you that these people are protesting the deterioration of the system that allows them to protest? Also you don't realize free speech is a right not a privilege fool. There is a difference but I wouldn't expect you to understand that. Now excuse me I have to go throw another log on the fire before my wife and kids get home. Idiot

[-] 2 points by OWSisawaste (133) 8 years ago

They are protesting a country that is the greatest nation on earth....Why would you protest the 1st place? that is just completely dumb......

[-] 1 points by nuclearradio (227) 8 years ago

You're a fool, "OWSisawaste". I own two businesses and my own home. This protest is about corruption in the government and the overriding of our system of freedom and justice by the moneyed elites that apparently have control of your brain. Read everything Steve15 says, he's dead on.

[-] 1 points by Steve15 (385) 8 years ago

Its what you don't know that is hurting you brother. Your country is going down the tubes. Our education system sucks, our bill of right torn to shreds, economy in the toilet, politicians bought off by big business, crap poison chemicals in our food and water. Our system has been taken over by chemical companies, oil companies defense contractors,big pharma and central banks, to name a few. Poke around you might learn something.

[-] 1 points by unimportant (716) 8 years ago

There is consensus on this:

http://www.nycga.net/groups/political-and-electoral-reform/docs/amendment-28-to-the-constitution-of-the-united-states-of-america

ARTICLE—

“SECTION 1. We the people who ordain and establish this Constitution intend the rights protected by this Constitution to be the rights of natural persons.

“SECTION 2. The words people, person, or citizen as used in this Constitution do not include corporations, limited liability companies or other corporate entities established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state, and any such corporate entities that are subject to regulation”.

“SECTION 3. All entities except people, person, or citizen as used in Section 2 of this amendment are excluded from participation in the political process”.

“SECTION 4. Nothing contained herein shall be construed to limit the people’s rights of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, free exercise of religion, freedom of association and all such other rights of the people, which rights are inalienable”.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 8 years ago

Forum Post: Does everyone have the forum search link? http://ows.superunion.org/

Posted 8 minutes ago on Nov. 13, 2011, 12:46 a.m. EST by fredastaire This content is user submitted and not an official statement

http://ows.superunion.org

this helps

this is a tread to organize forum Topics by category

[-] 1 points by dingy58 (172) 8 years ago

Whenever someone begins a comment with "You people...." or "You (fill in the blank)" it's denies a biological evolutionary fact that we are all bound together on this Earth. We can make it a better place by taking care of her and each other, or descend into...., well what this country is today. We are slaves to their entertainment machines, ads and medicines. The human brain is being rewired by the 1%, wake up and take back your mind.

[-] 1 points by nuclearradio (227) 8 years ago

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[-] 0 points by Trogdor (65) 8 years ago

He also said "true wealth comes from ownership of land" If you choose to buy an iPad2 because it is cool, then you have not learned form Adams either.

[-] 2 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 8 years ago

i think he was speaking about loving his nation and the land that it possessed. not the individual percales of property. besides, are you sure you are not cherry picking the man's words to soot your wants. besides if we did that we would have to say the government should own the internet because it is the new postal system. see how it gets messy

[-] 0 points by Trogdor (65) 8 years ago

Please read "John Adams" by David McCullough . Adams was very clear about personal property, he saved and acquired thousands of acres for himself. He saw no value in a big home like his contemporaries Washington and Jefferson. Not cherry picking at all, but there are volumes of letters the man wrote so I cannot quote everything he stated.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 8 years ago

could what men fancy change as the society changes? who cares what he though. what do people think now?

[-] 0 points by Trogdor (65) 8 years ago

yeah, who needs this history crap? what did these guys do anyway? They walked everywhere, communication was slow, it is like they just came out of the caves and found fire. There is no way they could compete with the intellects of today.

[-] 1 points by dingy58 (172) 8 years ago

My ancestors walked and rode horses from Pennsylvania to the banks of the Mississippi around 1800. If they are so unfortunate to look down upon us today, they would be ashamed of our sloth in fighting for our liberty. Togdor I know you were just kidding, really you must be..."the intellects of today". lulz

[-] 1 points by Trogdor (65) 8 years ago

yes, it was 100% sarcasm.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 8 years ago

that is why i believe that we all need to compromise, life is beautiful, at least for me, it gets muddy when compromising no longer works. when i was young i always said, "it is the principal of the matter," now i believe life is to short to not be malleable.

[-] 1 points by Trogdor (65) 8 years ago

how can you be for compromise yet not be malleable?

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 8 years ago

i mean being malleable allows me to compromise with others. i though that is what i wrote. when i was young i was stern and unwavering but that usually caused me more grief than compromising. rigidity in belief, i believe, is what causes wars.

[-] 1 points by Trogdor (65) 8 years ago

I miss read, multi-tasking animal today. Sometimes it is necessary to stay rigid in your belief. sometimes right and wrong are clearly defined.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 8 years ago

i wish i had your faith.

[-] 1 points by nuclearradio (227) 8 years ago

I do own land. I follow most of the founding fathers' suggestions. I don't spend money on pointless electronic doodads.

[-] -1 points by Trogdor (65) 8 years ago

then you are the 1% that "get it".

[-] 1 points by dingy58 (172) 8 years ago

Trogdor, you may be mistaken about who the 1% are in the world. Their homes make a podunk suburban $300K house look like a cardboard shack east of Tijuana. The 1% owns countries, not just a few acres with money they bled from good people by changing laws. If you really think they give a shit about the 99%, you are going to be deeply disappointed one day. We did it all right...paid our bills, built our very modest house and then saved and bought a rental house to use to fund our retirement. Then I got hurt, then sick, then sicker...then I couldn't work anymore. The medical bills piled on, we lost the rental then our home. We drive an 11year old car that is paid for by our hard work. Then I had to sue the government to be able to get SSD, that I earned by paying into the system since 1969. It took almost 5 years and many times I lost all hope. Then the movement began and it's back, my hope. I'll never be able to own a home again, and I don't care. No more silence.

[-] 1 points by nuclearradio (227) 8 years ago

I hate hearing stories like yours, Dingy58. I care. You deserve the things you worked for and were promised.

[-] 1 points by dingy58 (172) 8 years ago

It was worth it in a way....I'm awake now. I blamed myself for years trying to figure it out. I'm just hoping the world will be better for my grandchildren (5). My kids are just doing the treadmill and think I'm nuts. lulz