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Forum Post: French and English Attack Mali

Posted 1 year ago on Jan. 12, 2013, 8:30 p.m. EST by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL
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Ok, so the entire world is in near crisis mode. Resource grabbing, currency wars and the "war on terror" taking over smaller countries at will.

So how does this story end? With everyone suddenly realizing they are insane, and need to do a U-turn?

If the English were to land on America's shores today, the native americans would simply be labeled "insurgents" and disposed of.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/britain-helps-france-in-mali-conflict-8449397.html

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[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 1 year ago

fuc all the fundamentalists,. your faith is yours, and as soon as you impose it on ANYONE you become my enemy.

Logic and reason exist and can be debated,. faith-heads assume they have the; ONLY ONE TRUE word of god! What nonsense of dim-wits! When you can presnet god to me and she can enunciate a position, perhaps I will listen,. perhaps.

wars waged by "nation states" are inherently wrong, and simple ploys to capture resources and control, never anything more. fuc the french, and the english nation states, and their mercenary militaries, grasping for power.

[-] 1 points by quantumystic (1710) from Memphis, TN 1 year ago

they were labeled savages and wiped out by the millions.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

the native americans were labeled as "savages" and were disposed of.

Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite .

[-] 0 points by highlander (-163) 1 year ago

It just goes to show that even a progressive leaning country like France needs and uses a military to its own means. Not that that is a bad thing. What is a bad thing is that Mali is counting on France (hahahahaha!!) to help them in this Islamic insurgency.

[-] 0 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

The Indians would be "insurgents"?

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

India?

[-] 0 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

North American Indians.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

WHAT??? That comment was just dumb.

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

"the native americans would simply be labeled "insurgents" and disposed of"

that's one of the best analogies i've seen on this....exactly what happened in the middle east.

We invade their lands....steal their oil...build military bases in their holy lands....and prop up pro-west dictators in their surrounding countries and topple ones that refuse to abide by our biddings. Then when they can't take the shit anymore and they crack and fight back - we say they attack us because we're "free and prosperous".

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"They hate us for our freedoms"

[-] 0 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

and the crazy thing is that $hit works! People eat it up.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Ya, that and the "freedom fries"... what a disgrace.

Democrat voters protesting in teh streets, now that Obama is the one doing the bombing, its all gravy.

Republican voters all "Freedom Fries!!" and bullshit, and the Obama keeps going with the wars and attacks Libya, and its all "He's out of control!!"

Nothing sums it all up better than the Hagel thing for SoD. If Boehner had said "To hell with Susan Rice, we need Chuck Hagel!!" the Dems would be like AHHHH Fuck No!!

But they send some shit to Reuters and AP, and like a great high school rumor, within a couple weeks its "Republicans HATE Hagel"- yes, Ive seen that posted on numerous sites.

A Vietnam vet who STILL voted for Iraq, and then "changed his mind" FOUR YEARS later...and a Republican... unreal.

And the plot thickens...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I must say ( MUST ) = EXACTLY :

Nothing sums it all up better than the Hagel thing for SoD. If Boehner had said "To hell with Susan Rice, we need Chuck Hagel!!" the Dems would be like AHHHH Fuck No!!

How better to get a rino a job then to disown them? ( in this current age? no-brainer )

[-] 0 points by penguento (362) 1 year ago

Well, I guess that your view of this depends on your view of these very conservative Islamic folks. They're okay with stoning women to death if suspected of adultery. And they routinely kill people alleged to have blasphemed Islam by insulting the Prophet, and they kill schoolgirls for having attended schools rather than staying home.

So, if you're okay with these things, then, yes, the French were wrong to intervene.

So, where do you stand, my friend?

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Apples and oranges.

"Democracy" is being imposed on nations by an unstoppable overlord, from a nation that has no democracy. If there's resistance, then infrastructure is destroyed, capital usurped, resources handed out to foreigners, and tangible monetary funds stolen.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Sounds like standard corpoRAT business operational procedure in Africa as elsewhere around the world. I wonder what kind of presence Blackwater ( current incarnation ) has in the region?

[-] 2 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It's been this way since the East India company starting buying political "capital".

To pretend we have a democracy is to be playing their game.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (26697) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Business and Banks have been fucking society blind for many generations.

[-] 0 points by penguento (362) 1 year ago

As I observe below, a non sequitur, my friend. What's your position on the Islamists in Mail? Either you think they ought to get a free pass from other countries or not. Which is it? The fact that the French are assholes doesn't resolve the question of whether those folks ought to be allowed to do what they do.

[-] 4 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

Non-sequitur?

You think that causing the deaths of millions of people, not combatants, I mean people, justifies any end?

The terminal thought treatment process seemed to take with you. Dismissed.

[-] 0 points by penguento (362) 1 year ago

No offense, but you're not really in a position to dismiss anybody. You're certainly an arrogant young puppy.

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Many think what we are doing here is barbaric as well, torturing and indef detaining people, and many would consider abortion to be murder in the millions.

That being said, I dont want countries that can wipe their ass with us coming here and bombing us because we are fucked up.

When bombs are at play, it has nothing to do with social morals. Its about the money and power.

Afghan is a perfect example. Did all the things you just stated, we come in with the killing machine, and a decade later nothing has changed. Except a fuck ton of more dead.

[-] 0 points by penguento (362) 1 year ago

A non sequitur, my friend. What's your position on the Islamists in Mail? Either you think they ought to get a free pass from other countries or not. Which is it?

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

I think its not good. We going to go around the world taking care of everything? In case you havent noticed, we pick where we go, and its not due to the severity of the situation.

You go around your neighborhood making sure that no one is fucking up, and putting your own family at risk in return? Probably not.

There is a difference between seeing something fucked up and stepping in, vs just plain looking for a fight.

We are looking for a fight. But its not for freedom. Its for money

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

"You go around your neighborhood making sure that no one is fucking up, (and in the process kill more civilians than the people you're looking for) and putting your own family at risk in return? Probably not."

I added a line in to your quote.

It needs to be pointed out that the current tactics used are killing more civilians than the enemy we are going after. New tactics must be created to solve this problem. Invading and bombs are not helping this situation. In fact, Al Qaeda and other extremists groups are growing in other countries because of these tactics that are killing so many civilians.

War and destabilization leads to the rise of extremism. We saw that with Germany after World War 1, we saw it in Afghanistan after the 80's. We're seeing it in Iraq and Libya.

We're even seeing it in our own country as extremists politicians take power. Extremists that invade, bomb, all for a corporate agenda.

The war in Afghanistan is not about terrorism. It's about imperialism.

[-] -1 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

So leave them alone to stone people to death. And mutilate. And ensure that most of the population knows nothing but the Koran. Okay.

[-] 2 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

Coyote...that's not what this is about...it never has been. If we were really saving people we would have been in africa decades ago....where millions are being killed..many more than the middle east. We wouldn't prop up horrible regimes in the same place we're claiming we want to help innocent people (saudi arabia)....doesn't seem a little funky to you? It's hypocrisy at its best (what we do in the muslim world). This is about strategic interests in the region. It always has been...when was the last time we invaded a place that wasn't packed full or resources? Libya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan....loaded with resources and strategic interests.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

While fake politicians were talking about Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, millions were being slaughtered in Congo.

These wars and the public support is a product of what Chomsky calls "Manufacturing Consent"

[-] 1 points by john32 (-272) from Pittsburgh, PA 1 year ago

Exactly. Whats amazing is how many times this type of stuff has happened in history, and how the people don't wake up to the little tricks of how it is manufactured.

Speaking freely series on Netflix has some decent episodes. Chalmers Johnson did an episode about american hegemony in foreign affairs...was pretty good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfJNFSYFmZs

[-] 2 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Your fat ass should be on a plane over there then, go join the cause.

[-] -2 points by Coyote88 (-24) 1 year ago

You just don't get it. Do you?

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-01-12/war-terror-spreads-africa-us-sending-troops-35-african-nations

Looks like you will be getting your wish.

You realize this is typical protocol for a dying empire, right?

[-] 1 points by OTP (-203) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Oh I get it. You want all this action but you dont want your own life interrupted over it.

Im guessing you have a family to take care of. Well, if so, you are doing the responsible thing.

Why stop at Mali. Theres fucked up shit all over. Lets go invade N Korea. Human trafficers all over eastern Europe. Lets go. Drug wars all over in Mexico, lets get down there too.

14k murders a year here. 30k rapes here a year. You can help, and dont even have to go to Mali to do it.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 1 year ago

if you're killing more civilians than the enemy, the tactics being used to stop the enemy need to be reassessed.

The war in Iraq caused more death of civilians than Saddam.

In Afghanistan, 2010 saw it's highest levels of civilian death.

I agree these people are monsters, but these current tactics and wars are not solving this problem, which is innocent civilians being murdered.

Afghanistan is no longer about terrorism. It's about imperialism. Even David Petraeus said we're still there to extract trillions in resources.