Forum Post: Free Pussy Riot
Posted 12 years ago on Aug. 17, 2012, 12:40 p.m. EST by mjbento
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Putin has become a tyrant in today's world. He uses the police, army, intel and state aparatus to crack down on whoever opposes him. Here is a flagrant example of the "russian democracy":
Pussy Riot never laid their finger on anything, and for peacefully protesting against what seems like a never-ending rule of putin they get in jail for 2 years.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19300149
Free Russia now!
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You go into a cathedral yelling "shit shit the lord's shit" and see how that works out. They did. It didn't work out so great for them. Tough shit.
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[-] 1 points by timirninja (294) 5 hours ago im not sure you understand. those are violent chicks :) case is contained 2800 pages. the action in the church was seen as a last spit into side of public justies. here is the video example of pussy riot actions which causing disturbance in public transportation. have fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEiB1RYuYXw&feature=youtube_gdata_player ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink
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U just can Not insult the dictator in chief.
That's exactly what they did and exactly why they got locked up. I dare you to try that at home.
im not sure you understand. those are violent chicks :) case is contained 2800 pages. the action in the church was seen as a last spit into side of public justies. here is the video example of pussy riot actions which causing disturbance in public transportation. have fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEiB1RYuYXw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
If I had been shopping with my kids when that freak put the chicken in her vagina i would have been quite quite upset. If I were the cop I'd have broken that chick's nose.
yes you can, anywhere in American, and not go to jail for two years....
I think if you did that in St. Pat's you'd wish you were in jail once the cops grabbed you, but hey, I challenge anyone at all to try it and see how it works out. You think facts are fun, now that might be fun to find the fact of the matter.
It seems you have constructed the experiment, it's only fair you should get the honor of it's proof, no risk, no gain.
I already know the outcome. For me it's no experiment at all. I offer the challenge to people who applaud such actions in other people's cathedrals. So screw you too.
So it is more of a religion with you than science, but of what do I speak of course you let others do the thinking.
I offer the challenge to people who applaud such actions in other people's cathedrals. So screw you too. Better yet shave your heads and do it in a synagogue. Watch Sir Paul, the NY Post and OWS defend that!
look you're going to have to let me get to know you a little first, I mean I like sex and all, but let's not jump right into things OK?
I'm just saying only a coward would suggest others do what they run like little girls from...but then little girls have balls if Pussy Riot is any indication, but again you wouldn't know shit about that would you?
It's on the nooz.
I'm thinking it's another quietly planned thinktank media release.
Putin owns Russia. He might as well be royalty.
Then I expect you'll be at St. Patrick's Cathedral for a similar protest. Don't worry the whole world will be watching...
http://pussyriott.blogspot.com/
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Thin edge of the wedge.
There's no way that a few singers who poke fingers at anyone should be incarcerated for more than one night. People need to push this issue to the max, and demand their release in the street outside their prison.
How else could we possibly not support these gallant souls?
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shit, shit the lord's shit to that!
why dont you worry about existing problems in Africa?
Pussy Riot has been an agent of cultural sabotage, probably supported by NATO and/or western NGOs. If you do your research, you'll see they have also have had orgies in grocery stores and spread propaganda in the form of "punk rock" with very little accountability for the consequences of their actions. It seems like they are supporting a Second Bolshevik revolution in Russia. Too bad that won't happen under Putin's watch.
http://sirpaulandmadonnaoughttoapologize.blogspot.com/
Dude, from what little I saw, and I don't know the lyrics, but they didn't look very polished. I gotta say, I expect a little more from my subversive conspiracy musical groups, whether they are playing music or... having orgies (as riethc is asserting...) You ever notice how everyone is having orgies everywhere, but we hardly ever get invited? I mean, sure, once in a while you'll stumble on some fun people, and quickly pack an elevator for an hour or two, and there's the occasional phone booth mash thing that's so popular abroad, and we all know what Chinese fire drills are really all about... But, when does anyone actually call you and say "meet me at the grocery store at 3:00, and bring grapes and your copy of Trotsky, we're having a literary orgy in the vegetable aisle..." Of course, it does sound like a Gene Sharps idea, who has a lot of interesting thoughts concerning non-violent activism. Hey! If there are any oppressed Russians, try reading Dictatorship to Democracy by Gene Sharps, you can download it on .pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw3FWS3fExE
Pussy riot public orgy 2:18 and stay tuned for the chicken in the supermarket. You'll be impressed. But not apologetic for running y9ur ignorant mouth.
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I'd rather the courts handle it which they did for these three. The Moscow police are looking for the rest of them. I say go get them! Sir Paul, Madonna, Amnesty nd the State Department wing of Occupy Wall Street do not rule Russia.
The orgies are well-known, along with some other interesting backgrounds of them.
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_21332154/women-anti-putin-russian-punk-group-pussy-riot
Dude, I'm cool with the orgies, ok? It's called women's rights to do whatever they fuck they want with their bodies. In otherwords, anyone who thinks they have any business in my bedroom or their uh... supermarket aisle... is totally and completely mistaken about their role, and the role of government, and certainly the role of the church in said government and bedroom. That's the power of non-violent revolution. Nobody gets hurt, everyone gets laid, and the government can go regulate the banks instead of what I do at a party. Which, should probably include a lot more group sex, you know, in the spirit of revolution and all...
I don't oppose your right to have group sex in your home or in a rented space. Just not in public places. Others have the right not to watch you.
Leader of the group
Tolokonnikova, 23, who was pregnant when she appeared in a filmed museum orgy, has become the main face of Pussy Riot. "Since childhood I've loved finding myself in extreme situations. I've always lacked unusual things in my life," she said in an interview with Plutser-Sarno published in his blog. In her final statement at the trial last week, she said that Pussy Riot provided her a long-sought creative outlet.
When she took part in the orgy, her child was several days overdue. She said she "wanted to stimulate birth by making love." She gave birth to daughter Gera four days later.
Read more: Women in anti-Putin Russian punk group Pussy Riot are eclectic mix - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_21332154/women-anti-putin-russian-punk-group-pussy-riot#ixzz24Ik2BNhZ Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse
I know you are attempting at humor, but your idea of "revolution" sounds like that of a hippie music festival.
Paranoid.
Also funny.
Possibly drunk.
Read something before your next protest:
http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_21332154/women-anti-putin-russian-punk-group-pussy-riot
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There are many in Russia that agree with the sentence, people like to feel "better than that", all over the world. Still you have to wonder, don't they think of where such things lead to?
What has Russia etc.. Have to do with what is happening here?
BTW - contrary to "your" belief - you have a responsibility to the society in which you live.
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Out of control government that does not recognize it's people/population - this is not an isolated phenomena - the World has shrunk - it is very apparent that what each of us does affects others in this world.
My responsibility to society is what I choose it to be. And you are entitled to nothing I've earned. And may I suggest you reign in your ego and let other nations take care of their own problems with their own legal systems.
So sorry Ayn. ( NOT )
Great answer. You are wasting my time. Go away.
You came around trolling me - so I think it is obvious ( more then obvious ) that you are so very very confused.
And then there is this too....
http://rbth.ru/articles/2012/08/17/reports_on_russian_submarine_off_the_us_coast_fuel_tensions_17463.html
Of course there's a law from God that says only the US may put it's navy off the coast of any nation.
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Why don't we start by improving our own country before trying to improve others. I much prefer to see fairness and equality here before I see them in Russia.
It's the "State Department" tendency in Occupy once again to the fore.
http://freepussyriot.org/content/lyrics-songs-pussy-riot
I dare OWS, or Yoko Ono to do something like Pussy riot did, but do it at St. Patrick's Cathedral or Temple Emanuel. Lots of luck with it. We'll see how the world media and "human rights aparatus" jumps for that!
http://pussyriott.blogspot.com/2012/07/punk-prayer-virgin-mary-put-bloomberg.html
Since when is Cardinal Tim Dolan licking Putin's ass ???
He's been silent over many years in the face of Bloomberg's anti poor people actions and policies, the murder by police of unarmed young people, mass incarceration of non white young people under Bloomberg. Although many of the priesthood have apparently favored the attentions to little boys placed in their trust none have been punished by Dolan nor his predecessor, while they oppose women's right to chose including contraception. Plenty of good reason for OWS to protest.
No. He has not.
You confuse media coverage with what happens.
It's all I have to go by. People shot dead, sometimes in the back, no word from the Cardinal. One way tickets for the homeless (to back to where they came from) nothing to say that I know about. Just pictures of Mike at St. Pat's.
I don't have a problem with supporting protestors in other countries fighting the same fight, but we have to concentrate on freedom here first.
As you say the whole emphasis seems lopsided with the US government and many "liberals" criticizing other countries for their human rights violations and oppression, while ignoring American violations and oppression. There's something behind the US having the highest incarceration rate of any developed country. There's something behind the warrant-less surveillance. There's something behind killing Americans without due process of law.
Let's focus on our system first.
You seem to live in the 1920's Titus: "if in Germany the nazis are putting jews on concentration camps... well, it can't be helped. After all it's not our business here in the US"
Pardon me, but a human rights problem in China, a problem in Russia is a problem for Everyone fighting for a free world, against INJUSTICE, OPRESSION, TYRANNY. In the US at least you can voice your opinions and you can't be arrested JUST because of your opinion.
Things are interconnected. We must be in solidarity, not egoists thinking the world is just our f*cking navel!
Then I expect you'll be at St. Patrick's Cathedral for a similar protest. Don't worry the whole world will be watching...
http://pussyriott.blogspot.com/
When Dolan licks Putin's ass, ubetcha.
That would be bizarre.
titus is correct - if you really want to help get our governments boot off the neck of haiti - or stop trying to kill the revolution in south america. that should be your main focus - it is a simple point and you should grasp it. how about stop your government from killing people around the world before you yell at the russians - they don't care what you think anyway.
I don't know where or when you live, but you place more emphasis on watching over other nations' problems than solving our own.
Skip the caps, if you want to emphasize, especially buzz words; they make you appear like a propagandist. The Reich is long gone. China has a society, in which most residents approve of the government. I haven't seen a poll that shows approval of Putin in Russia, but I'll bet you the approval ratings for Putin in Russia are the same or higher than the approval ratings for Obama. And the approval of our Congress is at an all-time low.
More or less, though I support the struggle for freedom and justice around the world, as a country, instead of meddling into others' affairs so consistently and constantly, we should try to solve our own problems.
you are right - i told him to free haiti from our government intervention first.
The US has caused much damage in Haiti including the introduction of neoliberal policies to the island economy. UN forces, led by US Marines have been accused of multiple human-rights violations and "well-documented killings of civilians during crackdowns in the slums of Port-au-Prince." http://www.socialistalternative.org/news/article11.php?id=1275
and how about that great liberal billy boy clinton
Good point, his introduction of neoliberal policies to Haiti did as much destruction there as they did here.
Get it: the argument "don't meddle in my affairs" has been used by dictatorship countries. Russia uses it; Cuba uses it; China uses it and booth arrest and convict to prison human rights activists. Have you ever seen the US saying that? No.
No one meddles into other's affairs; what happens is that countries are using the "my house rule" as an excuse to commit barbarity and opression.
If fighting for freedom and justice is meddling then I'm the first to say, Meddle, Meddle Again and Meddle until tyranny has End.
We dont need to say it, because we currently have our NAvy covering the globe.
World wide dictators usually dont need to make official statements to back off. They let their bombs do the talking.
You got it right boss. Do not be deterred.
We can agitate for Justice all over the world and here at home as well. It is not mutually exclusive. We can't be selfish. We must spread our beliefs of freedom all over the world. We must care about other people no matter where they are from. We should be an example, just as every one every where should strive to be an example. I cannot change the world, but I can change the world in me.
If any of us is oppressed, none of us are free.
People must come to see America as the country that helps the oppressed, the "downtroden , the huddled masses, yearning to breath free"
Solidarity.
Then I expect you'll be at St. Patrick's Cathedral for a similar protest. Don't worry the whole world will be watching...
http://pussyriott.blogspot.com/
As long as you're the first one into battle, go for it.
Destabilizing Russia and trying to bring back the old kleptocracy is not a fight I'm going to support. Putin put the richest Russian oligarch behind bars for good reason- something our elected leaders refuse to emulate- and refuses to release him despite the outcry worldwide by his one percenter comrades worldwide. When that drunken puppet of the kleptocrats Yeltsin sent the tanks to disperse the elected parliament there was no protest here or anywhere.
Putin's just a handy villain; more xenophobia especially if someone brings up the old Commie ghost. For decades our "intelligence" agencies purposely overstated the Soviet Union's military capabilities, I assume, to keep our military-industrial complex busy pumping out more weapons.
The American media handily criticizes Putin, but leaves our own puppet politicians alone, unscathed behind the shield of the wealthy elite.
Yeah he's just misunderstood. How long has been in power?
Ever since he was elected by his people. Couldn't have said the same about George Bush.
Aaaaah ha ha ha. That's true! Since he was elected! yes! And couldn't say that about Bush because he was appointed by SCOTUS. Wow that is so clever.
But why did you avoid the question with that very clever comment?
You should have your own show.
So, why not get concerned with crooked elections here? I mean OWS, I know you personally are.
OWS can probably have an effect on the vote suppression efforts but I can't say if or what they have done in this regard.
Starts with an N and ends with a g.
huh?
nothing
It ain't right.
You're right. I'd like to see more involvment in the protection of our voting rights issues.
Well, you see elections in Egypt were very important to Occupy as were those in Russia. Just the election here needs to be ignored....
Well that is there mistake! And our misfortune.
They'er more concerned with three nut cases who went into a cathedral in Moscow shouting "shit shit the lord's shit." Well, we all have our priorities, don't we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoj4IfiaNuQ
I have to admit i was not happy to see no News item regarding Julian Assange being holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London trying to resist ultimate deportation to the USA where he very well may be executed. But look at the energy spent on three foolish people who shouted "shit shit the Lord's shit" in a Cathedral.
I notice a surprising amount of support for US foreign intervention in this particular thread. I believe all those anxious for American troops to intervene, should lead the charge.
When it comes to certain overseas matters Occupy goes State Department. Remember the abortive Egypt junket promoted within Occupy by a State Department consultant. 20 delegates from OWS here in the US where two consecutive presidential elections had been outright stolen were on their way to Egypt to "help" the parliamentary elections there. Stunk to much and got canceled.
Yes, just what other nations need: the United States showing them how to stage elections.
In the US, you can criticise the US president and you will not be ordered to appear in Court. In Russia, IF you criticize the kremlin man not only you will be forced to appear in Court, but you will face detention and you will be tried with criminal charges, namely "crimes against the state"... In the end, you're convicted of such crime and you have to fulfill a sentence with 2 years of emprisonment. Eventually, your house will be subject to constant raids, I mean "searches" by police forces (with or without warant).
I didn't say the society was freer in Russia. Only that we should stop demonizing other nations' leaders, and concentrate on replacing ours with real representatives or (my favorite) ridding ourselves of the whole leadership concept.
Free Bradley Manning
What about the crackdowns on protesters and those who expose the truth in America?
Not just against OWS but even the recent full on assault on men, women, and children in Anaheim?
Where is the call of tyranny?
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There's got to be 10,000,000 of us who see these gals as a replay of the Tank Man event in China. They knew they were playing with fire.
$25.00 -- how's that for a donation? For a minimum for what this is worth for each of us.
Yes, 10,000,000 of us. There's already $30,000 in the pot. That will cover immediate child care expenses.
We throw another $10,000,000 into that pot and these gals will have the means to make things happen.
These girls are geniuses. They have defined their generation.
Who else has done as much with music since the Beatles ?
Back in the USSR
Flew in from Miami Beach BOAC Didn't get to bed last night On the way the paper bag was on my knee Man, I had a dreadful flight I'm back in the USSR You don't know how lucky you are, boy Back in the USSR, yeah
Been away so long I early knew the place Gee, it's good to be back home Leave it till tomorrow to unpack my case Honey disconnect the phone I'm back in the USSR You don't know how lucky you are, boy Back in the US Back in the US Back in the USSR
Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out They leave the west behind And Moscow girls make me sing and shout That Geogie's always on my my my my my my my my my mind Oh, come on Hu hey hu, hey, ah, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah I'm back in the USSR You don't know how lucky you are, boys Back in the USSR
Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out They leave the west behind And Moscow girls make me sing and shout That Georgia's always on my my my my my my my my my mind
Oh, show me round your snow peaked Mountain way down south Take me to your daddy's farm Let me hear your balalaika's ringing out Come and keep your comrade warm I'm back in the USSR Hey, you don't know how lucky you are, boy Back in the USSR Oh, let me tell you honey
I support Pussy Riot
Those chicks have balls. Free Pussy Riot.
Then I expect you'll be at St. Patrick's Cathedral for a similar protest. Don't worry the whole world will be watching...
http://pussyriott.blogspot.com/
They got 2 years huh? It's unbelievable.
In Russia that's a parking ticket.
But not a good thing of course. Any chance they can get off early?
For good behavior? lol. I guess not.
They'll be lucky if they don't get TB. Apparently, Russian prisons are one of the prime breeding grounds for a strain that is pretty darn resistant to treatment. It's rampant, and a lot of prisons in Russia are true hellholes even without a cornucopia of health threats. Youtube russian prison if you want to feel like you've won the lottery.
I believe you.
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Nice. Angry a little?
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Death is the answer! Let's teach our children about violence and death.!
Woo Hoo! Death to all.
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Only a little death? Oh well that's ok then. Death to some! Who chooses those destined to die? You?
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Is sex better than death? hmmm? Sex? Death? Sex? Death?
I'm gonna vote for sex!
Vote out anti sex, pro death penalty republicans
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I have no idea why VQkag2 is entertaining this discussion but it does not belong on this forum.
Well you ain't said much so far either, so that is no surprise.
Free Pussy Riot!
"I support Pussy Riot"
Indeed you do. they are on their way to fame and fortune. And shmucks like you will not even get a "thank you."
"shmucks"? Thats not very nice. No need to insult me. We can disagree with each other on Russian freedoms without you calling me names.
I guess you don't support freedom for the russian people
I support the Russian people in their having had elections in which they chose their president, prime minister and parliament. I also support their right to have a judiciary that puts Mikhail Khorodovsky and Pussy Riot where the laws of Russia say they ought to be. Schmucks are people who live in a country where politicians who don't tow the line are murdered (like Paul Wellstone and Mel Carnahan) and where elections are stolen yet they insist on tutoring the world on the notion of democracy and rule of law.
Aaah. So Russian Democracy is better than US Democracy. That's hilarious.
To each his own.
Good luck on all your good efforts
http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-pussy-riot/#comment-809194
Right is right, & wrong is wrong. no country is all right or all wrong. Whether we have problems which are worse or not is irrelevant. We should criticize anyone & everyone who does stupid things. And vice versa.
Why the excessive defense of Russia? They can take the criticism, there big boys. They can criticize us on Manning. And please let's not forget that this site criticizes America more than any other country. As it should be. The US is the richest, most powerful country on the planet! We must be criticized most! And are. conversely we must criticize problems everywhere because we have the responsibility of being so important.
BAM!
"Why the excessive defense of Russia? They can take the criticism, there big boys. They can criticize us on Manning."
Excessive? I am watching my countrymen and women get involved telling another country what they ought to be doing when this country is severely fucked up when it comes to democracy, free and fair elections and rule of law. I dare you and OWS to do what Pussy riot did. I really dare you all. Try it. See how it works out.
OWS is challenging authority just fine Pussy ain't got nothin on us. Russia ain't no better than us. Whatever problem we have we still have the rightto speak up for all oppression. Anywhere.
We should have no fear of the accusation of hypocrite. Just speak your mind. We're allowed. And we are right to criticize the Russian govt. Just as we are right and should criticize the US govt.
It's all good.
I'm allowed to agree that you are on the same page as Rupert Murdoch and are really full of it. So is Sting, Madonna, Sir Paul McCartney and the faceless leaders of Occupy Wall Street. http://tinyurl.com/9kufmav
That by itself should give anyone with two active neurons something to think about. But it won't in most cases.
"full of it"? "two active neurons"? That's uncalled for We can criticize the American Govt and the Russian govt. It's all good.
No need to get unhinged and start with the personal attacks.
I feel strongly about it. You should know that you, occupy, sir paul and murdoch are pissing me and other people off big time. Nicey nicey talk often isn't seen to be heartfelt. If you can't take that then you should not get into arguments about things people actually care about.
How about if I get into arguments and then call people out when they can't control themselves, When they can't remain respectful, When they can't keep the conversation to a civil discussion.
How about that?
Is that also ok with you?
Sure, schmuck. But what if it wasn't so what go for it.
That's not very nice to say. Why can't you treat me with respect. Do you think you are better than me? Were you bullied as a child and come to this site to bully others as revenge. Do you do it because you know no body can beat the shit out of you in a virtual world. Are you a coward?
Are you a child.? What is your major malfunction? Behave. Show some respect to your peers. Stop acting like a spoiled brat.
I'm not sure if the comments on the Russian situation is meant to be ironic or not, but that's OK. I'm glad to see someone speaking up on the mysterious death of Paul Wellstone..you would think the Obama Administration might look into that one....
No there was no irony intended. Not one drop of irony.
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I support the Russian people in their having had elections in which they chose their president, prime minister and parliament. I also support their right to have a judiciary that puts Mikhail Khorodovsky and Pussy Riot where the laws of Russia say they ought to be. Schmucks are people who live in a country where politicians who don't tow the line are murdered (like Paul Wellstone and Mel Carnahan) and where elections are stolen yet they insist on tutoring the world on the notion of democracy and rule of law.
lol like the US 2000 election
Yes, a nation that sat on its ass and let the elections of 200 AND 2004 get stolen and didn't rise up angry wants to go and teach Russia about what? Democracy? Read the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Not one mention of "democracy" because the founding fathers were slave owning slave trading wife beating elitists and their conception of an ideal republic holds sway here and now..
Then I expect you'll be at St. Patrick's Cathedral for a similar protest. Don't worry the whole world will be watching...
http://pussyriott.blogspot.com/
I'm afraid not.
Hypocrisy.
name calling
No, just describing in one word what you have put forth yourself. What's good for the goose ought to be good for the gander. But not for "god's country" right?
http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-pussy-riot/#comment-808356
Just answered. Criticism is good! We must accept it and express it.
thanks