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Forum Post: Fox News Lists Paul Ryan’s Lies: Living in a tyrany of Doublespeak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

Posted 11 years ago on Aug. 31, 2012, 11:08 p.m. EST by gsw (3410) from Woodbridge Township, NJ
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  1. Dazzling

At least a quarter of Americans still don’t know who Paul Ryan is, and only about half who know and have an opinion of him view him favorably.

So, Ryan’s primary job tonight was to introduce himself and make himself seem likeable, and he did that well. The personal parts of the speech were very personally delivered, especially the touching parts where Ryan talked about his father and mother and their roles in his life. And at the end of the speech, when Ryan cheered the crowd to its feet, he showed an energy and enthusiasm that’s what voters want in leaders and what Republicans have been desperately lacking in this campaign.

To anyone watching Ryan’s speech who hasn’t been paying much attention to the ins and outs and accusations of the campaign, I suspect Ryan came across as a smart, passionate and all-around nice guy — the sort of guy you can imagine having a friendly chat with while watching your kids play soccer together. And for a lot of voters, what matters isn’t what candidates have done or what they promise to do —it’s personality. On this measure, Mitt Romney has been catastrophically struggling and with his speech, Ryan humanized himself and presumably by extension, the top of the ticket.

  1. Deceiving

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.

Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.

Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

Elections should be about competing based on your record in the past and your vision for the future, not competing to see who can get away with the most lies and distortions without voters noticing or bother to care. Both parties should hold themselves to that standard. Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan’s speech but sadly, there were many.

  1. Distracting

And then there’s what Ryan didn’t talk about.

Ryan didn’t mention his extremist stance on banning all abortions with no exception for rape or incest, a stance that is out of touch with 75% of American voters.

Ryan didn’t mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.

Ryan didn’t mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president.

Ryan didn’t mention how his budget would eviscerate programs that help the poor and raise taxes on 95% of Americans in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even further and increase — yes, increase —the deficit.

These aspects of Ryan’s resume and ideology are sticky to say the least. He would have been wise to tackle them head on and try and explain them away in his first real introduction to voters. But instead of Ryan airing his own dirty laundry, Democrats will get the chance.

At the end of his speech, Ryan quoted his dad, who used to say to him, “"Son. You have a choice: You can be part of the problem, or you can be part of the solution."

Ryan may have helped solve some of the likeability problems facing Romney, but ultimately by trying to deceive voters about basic facts and trying to distract voters from his own record, Ryan’s speech caused a much larger problem for himself and his running mate.

Sally Kohn is a Fox News contributor and writer. You can find her online at http://sallykohn.com or on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sallykohn

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz25BQ4KOxM




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[-] 3 points by gsw (3410) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 11 years ago

You won't see this on MSM:

Chris Hedges: Corporatist America


Chris Hedges: Obama is a Disaster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTTyPmc6WGc&feature=fvwrel Hedges: No way in US system to vote against banks


Chris Hedges: Obama 'Brand for the Corporate State' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrsnSilKnu8&feature=relmfu

How Corporations Destroyed American Democracy - Chris Hedges. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRQjF1IPgKQ&feature=related

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 11 years ago

Hedges is a smart man


[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

Fact checking the RNC - job growth.

[-] 1 points by gsw (3410) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 11 years ago

Rocky Anderson 3 minute campaign video

OWS Points encapsulated here :


[-] 1 points by gsw (3410) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 11 years ago

Rocky Anderson speaks to the Occupy Ogden Movement


Ryan claimed to be the tough truth teller. LIAR! Rocky Tells Truth to Occupy Ogden

Salt Lake City Former Mayor Rocky Anderson supports the Occupy Salt Lake City and Occupy Wall Street and October 6 movements.


"It's the Middle Class that is Too Big To Fail"!
"There's a need to form a new political party" "Stop the Wars" Stop the 1 percent! RockyOccupyslc Rocky Anderson-YouTube.mov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT92J1rrnP0&feature=related

[-] 2 points by Area51 (31) from Alamo, NV 11 years ago

"It's the Middle Class that is Too Big To Fail"!

That is a great quote. I'm going to remember that one. Let's bail out the middle class, not big banks.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

what about the poor?

[-] 1 points by gsw (3410) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 11 years ago

Mainstream Media enables 2 Party System: Rocky Anderson


Rocky Anderson on his Campaign, War on Drugs, Climate Change, Jury Nullification, Corruption...

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

big media jams computers with over weight web sites

[-] 1 points by gsw (3410) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 11 years ago

Big Media Jams the consumer with a bunch of non-issues and non-choices.

Distractions, so we do not see the real issues.


[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 11 years ago

it's all about the other

and not the issues

[-] 2 points by gsw (3410) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 11 years ago

Presidential Hopeful Rocky Anderson: Dems, GOP United in Stymying Third-Party Candidacies


Rocky : Get money out of politics to change status quo

[-] 1 points by gsw (3410) from Woodbridge Township, NJ 11 years ago


The Biggest Liars in Politics?: “Outside Spending Groups” July 13, 2012 By Tim Suttle

In the midst of the uproar over the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the Affordable Care Act, and the courts decision to strike down three-fourths of the Arizona immigration law, their failure to deal with the disastrous Citizens United decision was largely unnoticed, which is interesting given that Citizen’s United could end up being the most critical of the three decisions. Citizens United will likely have much deeper impact on our society and could threaten the very basis of free elections in the U.S.

One outcome of the Citizens United decision has been the creation of the Super PAC. These groups are raising money in staggering amounts and can spend it with very little accountability or oversight. There are other independent non-profit groups such as the American for Prosperity, the group financed by the Koch Brothers, or the conservative American Commitment group, run by Phil Kerpen, who spent five years running AFP. Both American Commitment and AFP enjoy non-profit status, which means they don’t have to reveal their donors, but they can (and do), spend all the money they want to influence elections. The left has their own version – albeit w/much smaller numbers – most notably Moveon.org & George Soros. Somewhere around $10 billion will be spent on the coming elections, much of it through these outside spending groups.

What is perhaps more disturbing that the sheer numbers, is the fact that these outside spending groups tell outrageous lies. More and more political influence is being wielded by groups who can raise shocking amounts of money and operate with little or no accountability. The net effect is, quite simply, that outside spending groups can and do distort the truth and tell outright lies with little or no backlash or consequences. According to politifact.com, outside spending groups are the biggest liars in politics.

Politifact.com is a fact checking organization who keeps tabs on the lies and the half truths in politics. They checked some of the statements included in a $1.1 million ad campaign in Florida conducted by a non-profit group called “American Commitment.” The campaign targeted Sen. Bill Nelson, a democrat senator from Florida on the Affordable Care Act. Politifact.com found some interesting misinformation:

The ad said: “The health care law could cost up to $2 trillion, “double what we promised.”

Fact Check: False, “In fact, the CBO has said that overall the health care bill actually reduces government spending by about $124 billion over 10 years.”

The ad said: Health care law is “imposes the largest tax increase in history on the middle class.”

Fact Check: Pants on Fire (as in liar, liar – Politifact’s worst distinction), “Actually, the law is not the largest tax increase in history, and most of its taxes fall on the wealthy and the health care industry.”

The bottom line is that outside spending groups can raise billions, many do not have to disclose their donors, they are not held accountable for what they say, so they routinely twist words and take statements out of context, they distort information and meaning, and often outright lie, all with absolutely no consequences. Outside spending groups now wield unprecedented influence over elections. Both the right and the left have their own outside spending groups, although in this election we are learning that the outside spending groups on the right will far outspend those on the left. According to Opensecret.org, the break down is conservative: $127 million, liberal: $39 million.

If you are interested in fact checking, here are some good web sites:




Washington Post Fact Checker