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Forum Post: Former Israeli Intelligence Officer Avi Perry Writes That A “Surprise” Pearl Harbor-style Iranian attack on an American warship in the Persian Gulf will provide the pretext for the US to launch all-out warfare against Iran.

Posted 8 years ago on Jan. 13, 2012, 2:34 p.m. EST by Thrive (29)
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Former Israeli intelligence officer Avi Perry writes that a “surprise” Pearl Harbor-style Iranian attack on an American warship in the Persian Gulf will provide the pretext for the US to launch all-out warfare against Iran.

Given the fact that former Vice President Dick Cheney’s office openly considered staging a false flag attack on a US vessel in the Persian Gulf to blame it on Iran as a pretext for war, Perry’s summation of how “2012 will see to a new war,” cannot be taken lightly. Under the headline ‘The looming war with Iran‘, Perry writes; Iran, just like Nazi Germany in the 1940s, will take the initiative and “help” the US president and the American public make up their mind by making the first move, by attacking a US aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf.



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[-] 6 points by nucleus (3291) 8 years ago

1844: The Mexican-American War instigated by US annexation of Mexican territory (Texas).

1898: Coal Dust explosion aboard the USS Maine used as pretext for The Spanish-American War.

1915: The Lusitania, carrying munitions to Britain, sunk by a U-boat, instigates US entry into WWI.

1940: The McCollum Memo, a detailed eight-step plan outlining actions designed to provoke an attack on the US by Japan, results in Pearl Harbor and US entry into WWII.

1950: RoK forces, under US instruction, attacked and made incursions into the DPRK, resulting in a DPRK counterstrike and the Korean War.

1964: The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, a fictitious attack on US Naval forces, results in the massive escalation of US presence in Vietnam.

1983: Failed CIA coup attempts result in a staged US rescue operation and the military overthrow of the government and installation of a regime more sympathetic to US interests.

1989: A false report of an attack on a US soldier results in a US military invasion and the removal of Manuel Noriega, a CIA asset involved in a number of dirty deals including drug trafficking for the Iran Contra Affair. This was the 10th US invasion of Panama. 1989 was the 10th US invasion of Panama.

1990: Designed to erase forever the concept of the "Peace Dividend" (a golden age of prosperity that would follow the end of the Cold War), slant drilling of Iraqi oil by US oil companies in Kuwait instigated the Iraqi attack, which was "green-lighted" by US ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie. The result, a massive US led coalition where participants paid to participate by buying US military hardware and funding US logistics.

2001: The invasion of Afghanistan had been on the books since the late 1990's as a way to secure a pipeline for UNOCAL (now a subsidiary of Chevron). 9/11, and all the unanswered questions about it, provided an excuse to invade.

2003: The notorious and unfound (because we destroyed them all in 1991) WMDs that we knew Iraq had (because we gave them to them to use against Iran after the Iran Hostage crisis) are used as an excuse to take over the world's third largest oil resource, manipulate energy prices and provide huge profits to the military industrial complex.

2012: Iran? Sure looks like it.

[-] 1 points by Thrive (29) 8 years ago

According to General Wesley Clark, its a done deal.


Thank you for your informative post.

[-] 1 points by mvjobless (370) 8 years ago

good post.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 8 years ago

"Coal Dust explosion aboard the USS Maine used as pretext for The Spanish-American War." That was never proved to be a coal dust explosion. From what I read, it was rather doubtful that it was coal dust. I lean toward false flag.

[-] 2 points by nucleus (3291) 8 years ago

Reports go both ways. Could have been opportunistic or deliberate.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 8 years ago

If it wasn't deliberate, it was an exception to SOP.

[-] 2 points by nucleus (3291) 8 years ago

SOP includes taking advantage of all opportunities. 9/11 provided the "opportunity" to go into Afghanistan (later stretched into Iraq) regardless of whether or not it was an inside job.

[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 8 years ago

It was an inside job, but not everybody who took advantage of it where accomplices before the fact.

[-] -3 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

Further to the above, also please see : "Killing Hope", by Wm. Blum ; http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2007/02/125025.pdf . fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by nucleus (3291) 8 years ago

Thanks for the link.

[-] 2 points by mvjobless (370) 8 years ago

Ah, forgot to mention that I think the assassination of one of Iran's nuclear experts today was most certainly an Israeli affair supported of course by our own CIA. Their program of provocation has begun.

[-] 1 points by Mowat (164) 8 years ago

They have no respect for the American People. They own the American People.

@Slaves of Israel: Get killed fighting their wars. Spend your livelihood in their plight to rule the world.

Good that Hellfire exists and that God is just. They will end-up in Hellfire for eternity. That should bring comfort to us.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

Why doesn't he go on a rooftop and shout out that the Israelis are planning a false flag attack on an American ship? Could he be any more obvious?

You'd think they would have learned from their attack on the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967 that killed 34 of our sailors. They wanted Egypt to take the blame. http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html

[-] 1 points by 4TheHumanSocietyProject (504) 8 years ago

This is interesting. I will do more research on this for sure! Thank you for broadening my spectrum.

[-] 1 points by mvjobless (370) 8 years ago

Well I guess the Israeli Mossad agents posing as CIA agents who went and found some Iranians to train as terrorists fits somewhere into this scenario, read the Russian Times for that story.


[-] 1 points by valfather (286) 8 years ago

Viktor Suvorov claims it was the Soviets who were the original aggressors in WWII.

Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War? by Viktor Suvorov


[-] 1 points by cJessgo (729) from Port Jervis, PA 8 years ago

Havent we got past the pretext point for our invasions.

[-] 1 points by ziobot (3) 8 years ago

It will probably be a surprise Israeli attack on an American warship....


[-] 0 points by timir (183) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

well right! the similar scenario will be planted for sure

[+] -6 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 8 years ago

That's interesting.

At one time such a statement might be expected to curb such tendencies - I don't believe that to be true today.

With the Occupy Movement in place and agitating, and inevitably on the verge of increasing agitation and momentum as the weather breaks, it seems the entire calculation by Iran may reach the conclusion that acting now is in its best interest -

It will potentially divide the public over the issue of who actually fired what.

This then will open the door to those supreme spin masters who capitalize on systems of belief as they tell the most gigantic of lies . . . .

. . . The Aztecs said so, and so it must be true . . .

bye bye Iran . . .

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 8 years ago

Hey jackass, tell your bosses to fire you for incompetency. FAIL.

You're slick as mud.

[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 8 years ago

You think so? I think the Israelis are counting on one of us striking first. Just saying so seems to me to increase that possibility - not decrease it.

If either side concludes the other is most likely to act, and do so in a time of their own choosing, then the other will be tempted to preempt them.

The real question is what do the Mullahs think of their own chances, both short term and long . . . presumably they want to dominate the Arab world, and that will be hard to do with their military gone - which it will be if either side strikes.

Do they perceive a wider conflict - where a balance is achieved with their neighbors somehow?

Is Ahmadinejad really insane? or playing Hamlet . . .

I am of course presuming he is the front guy for the mullahs, so perhaps it doesn't matter how crazy he is.

[-] -1 points by WooHoo (15) 8 years ago

The 'movement' didn't disappear because it got cold. They left because they were ordered to leave. They have sufficient fortitude only for camping accompanied by an inability to understand why that grand and noble act has not created societal change.

When the weather breaks, IF they return, they will be shooed away again.

[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 8 years ago

yeah-ya - we'll be shooed alright.

Sayy, didja see that fool Santorum? He scurried to his car like the little rodent he is - scared of a Mic.Check huh.

You fuckers are gonna be cryin come summer.

[-] -2 points by WooHoo (15) 8 years ago

Come summer? Why aren't you out there now?

I'll say it again. It didn't dissolve and disappear because of the cold. It hasn't been cold in the northeast yet.

It evaporated because you were shooed away by the police. Do as you're told. Some protest.

In China last week 300 workers at an Xbox plant went to the roof of the building and threatened to jump, mass suicide, over low wages. They didn't threaten to hold a drum circle.

And even if you can muster enough interest in the spring to get a few hundred of you out there, why will it be different then? Everyone bought helmets and now they're not pussies when they see police batons?

[+] -5 points by ZenDogTroll (13032) from South Burlington, VT 8 years ago

It didn't dissolve and disappear because of the cold.

In fact it is cold right now - oddly enough. Temps have been above average in Vermont for some time. We have maybe 4 inches of snow on the lawn - there should be a couple of feet by now.

  • Yet the repelicans claim there is no global warming . . .

But back to the issue of the encampments . . .

The encampment in Burlington closed because of a suicide, in the park. The city was going to wait for colder weather to take its toll - but then this happened, the police department had an obligation to the public to take control of the scene, gather evidence - and this process was not opposed by the Occupy Burlington movement, and for a variety of very good reasons.

At the same time pressure grew around the country to close the encampments - reasons cited include:

  • public health

    • the spread of disease during winter;

    • the expectation of cold weather

Both legitimate concerns. During the War of 1812 perhaps as many as 5000 troops were stationed in the area of Battery Park - and many of them died of disease during the winter months. Excavations along North Street occasionally turn up bones from the burials today.

Don't worry, we will be back on the streets. In big numbers. There are a lot of angry Americans today - more and more of them will be supporting us from the sidelines if not actively joining our ranks on the streets.

I don't believe repelicans can survive the next six years as a party - and certainly not as one of any national prominence.

the repelican party is DONE

I get such a charge out of saying that in public - it really is empowering.

You should try it. I do.

Every chance I get.

[-] 1 points by WooHoo (15) 8 years ago

If it feels good do it. Peace man. Can't wait for the summertime when disease among crowds of unwashed people in unsanitary conditions are non-existent.