Forum Post: For those asking for specific demands...
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 5, 2011, 8:23 a.m. EST by ss000kk
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The French Revolution didn't have any. Nor a leader. Neither the Arab Spring.
Get it?
Nor the Declaration of Independence.
Actually, wrong... independence, to be a free country was the demand! It had grievances and a demand.
Independence wasn't something the colonists were demanding. By then, they had already done it.
It would be like Occupy Wall Street demanding that people protest and camp out in Wall Street.
The Declaration of Independence was explaining to people why they had already seized control of the colonies from the crown.
a demand: We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do.
That part you quoted was in the present tense, not the future tense.
The King wasn't told "We want you to set us free" or "We want to be free" or "We should be free". He was told "We are now free."
I see you can cut and paste. Too bad you can't read.
Okay... so what are you "now"? I'll go for the movement declaring they are. By the way, they might have declared it but it took a war to have it.
ha!
If this were truly comparable to the French or American Revolution, then all the protestors would have stormed the barricades protecting wall street by now. People under the oppressive French monarchy would not have stopped when they were maced - they had nothing to lose, and at that point were not afraid to die. Same with the American Revolution. And Egypt? Surely you can't compare a 9% unemployment rate to 30 years of oppressive social and economic policies by a tyrant, and the # of protestors / effectiveness of their campaign speak for themselves.
You know what wall street fat cats do in the morning to circumvent the protestors? Take side streets in well-protected Mercedes, take private elevators up to the 40th floor, put on some music, and forget you guys for a while.
Tell me, who exactly are you making nervous.
Until you're willing to put your life on the line and truly protest - to storm the epicenter of greed and corruption, instead of retreating to Brooklyn, then maybe I can take you guys seriously. Otherwise, you're the Tea Party lite, a flash in the pan with nice posters with no substance.
Coming from a man who hates everything about wall street corruption in the abstract and in the particular, I am not convinced.
Well actually ending the Federal Reserve would be the one demand that would benefit the entire 99%. Once that is done, the Libertarians and Socialists will disagree about HOW the wealth would be redistributed, either by free markets or by big government. But ending the Fed would probably in an of itself begin to decrease the economic disparity because it's the Fed that created this problem.
What do the French and Arab revolutions have in common?
Answer: Thousands dead and extended period of chaos.... is that the goal here?
At first I didn’t understand the lack of demands and specifics, but now think I understand better just from looking at the “We are the 99%” blog. At the end of all the Laffer curves, elections, government programs and media lectures about success for those willing to adapt to a new economy, I think many people are concluding that the bottom line is wrong. I have not yet protested for Occupy Wall Street and, as a former CWA member, am sorry that because of ill health I will not make it today. I hope to show up in a few weeks.
declaration of basic rights > art shows
Amen, asking for specific demands is a strategy to split up people power
It might also cause people to actually reflect about what they're doing and why. That would probaby deflate this "movement" a lot.
Yeah, thinking and writing and debating, as opposed to dancing and making peace signs, would really hurt this movement
At the same time, we can easily make a statement that covers all of our demands. For example:
"We are all working for many goals, all with one goal in mind: Making the government for the people, by the people"
please don't compare this to the French or Egyptian Revolutions. worthy yes, but we're not ruled by a tyrant
OK, let's compare it to the American Revolution where they revolted over far less.
The tyrant's name is the 1% who have hijacked this country and our lives.
Being inconvenienced and uncomfortable will bring forth change, not a list of demands.
either change or repression... all depends.. Tianaman square made people uncomfortable.
Exactly! We are here to simply voice we know something's not right.
fair point