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Forum Post: For Every Good Post on Information and Deeper Topics, there is a Whack Post

Posted 1 year ago on Oct. 11, 2012, 10:01 a.m. EST by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL
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Which has always been the hard part of occupy, cutting through the clutter. Getting past the MSM that this IS something that is meaningful, its not the same lame L vs R nonsense.

Congress has an alltime low approval rating. The people are starving for something new. Thats what this was suppose to be, hence the no pandering to a corrupted system. And hence the huge numbers in the beginning.

The core groups are still working tirelessly. But its harder and harder to recruit for help.

I'm not saying its all the media's fault. But they are an agent of the establishment, and rule number one with movements is contain them in the two party paradigm, divide and conquer.




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[-] 2 points by mideast (506) 1 year ago

support David & Charlie - D O N O T V O T E

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Thats sounds very familar to the right telling people a vote for Gary or RP is support for Obama.

You brainwashed zombies are all the same....

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (13196) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

how do you get people to do what you want them to do when what you want them to do will have the result of accomplishing things that run completely contrary to everything they believe?

  • Not voting is the same as casting a ballot for repeliccans -

How do we know this is true? We know this is true because repeliccans remain intent on disenfranchising American Voters - see here for a small amount of history and persepctive.

Many insist that both parties are the same. This is not true. I provide the following as evidence:


Some posters around here post things that appear legit - but are not. As evidence:

This forum post contains an article from realclearpolitics, which at first glance appears to be nonpartisan. Yet an examination of the author reveals distinctly partisan characteristics.

From the forum post

  • President Obama manipulated these people to vote for him based on a lie. he told them that Washington did not care for them and did not want to help them. what he forgot to mention is that " Moreover, he was one of just 14 Senators who voted against -- repeat, AGAINST -- the legislation which included the waiver"

In this case the legislation in question is, as with NDAA, a spending bill. The title of that bill, linked to ThomasLoc:

  • From the webpage:



Several Senators voted against that bill: Boxer, Burr, Clinton, Coburn, Dodd, Enzi, Feingold, Kennedy, Kerry, Leahy, Obama, Sanders, Whitehouse, Wyden,

To spin that vote into a statement that insists the President opposed helping the people of New Orleans is false and does not consider the overall implications of the bill in its entirety. It is false.

The author of the article, found here one Thomas Sowell wrote the following on Global Warming:


Cold Water on Global Warming

A new and very different conference on global warming will be held in New York City, under the sponsorship of the Heartland Institute, on March 2nd to March 4th — weather permitting.

. . . .

The subtitle of the upcoming conference — "Global Warming: Truth or Swindle?" — is also the title of a British television program that is now available on DVD in the United States. It is a devastating debunking of the current "global warming" hysteria.


[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Glass Steagall should be all over the place in bills- its not.
Reid wont audit the Fed Obama thinks Americans should be kidnapped Partires were bought out long before CU Big oil drilling permits are up since 08- they get their way with Dems and Reps

VArious things getting wrapped up into bills is further proof these guys have no plans on keeping it simple and helping the people.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13196) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

You ignore the fact that the House is currently in the hands of repelicans,

These two links establish the differences clearly:

Glass - Steagall could be a campaign issue - it is not. That it is not is the failure of OWS to engage in the political process. We could make demands - yet we insist we are not engaged in politics.

This is our error.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

"As Lessig puts it, “On Jan. 20, 2010, the day before Citizens United was decided, our democracy was already broken. Citizens United may have shot the body, but the body was already cold.”"

Looks like they managed to get a bill past the house that would at least require identification of donors, but it died in the Senate. I guess it just died altogether after that...


[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

So where is the bill to repeal CU, and how many have signed onto it?

And the fact that big oil won that process, and oil permits are up, shows who is running the parties. The power structure is not going to be changed by voting, it has been that way for a long long long time.

[-] -1 points by ZenDog (13196) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

You cannot simply repeal Citizens United for it was a Supreme Court decision that struck down Congressional Legislation.

Big oil has been winning because of the makeup of Congress.

We must accept that in any representative system, representatives elected to serve from Coal Country will support the industry, just as they did with tobacco. The issue of Tobacco illustrates that this fact is not insurmountable with sufficient public awareness.

It will certainly be a bit more difficult than it was with tobacco given the nature of fossil fuel and the way in which it is a fundamental component of any industrialized society.

That does not make it impossible, and the most likely approach is indirectly - by using related issues that curb the power and influence of the private sector as a whole.

Citizens United requires a Constitutional Amendment, no easy task.

But it is a means of addressing the issue of influence by the fossil fuel industry indirectly.

So is the issue of Glass - Steagall. This is a means of approaching the influence of fossil fuel because of the relationship between fossil fuel and the banking industry, which is heavily invested.

We have the power to take over one of the parties. We simply refuse to use it.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

You dont have the power to take over that party. You havent had that power since you were born. Thats why they are still around after 150 years, because people like you simply dont matter.

Divide and conquer is the name of the game.

The people have the power to take back their government. But when people start talking about parties, they are easily manipulated and distracted.

[-] 0 points by ZenDog (13196) from South Burlington, VT 1 year ago

I did say we.

An examination of the facts as it pertains to parties is not a distraction, what you have provided is the excuse to cop out on the effort to do the homework.

nice job.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

@ 12:30pm today, on CNBC.... Blankfein, Simpson and Bowles. Come see what Obama's puppetmaster and few henchmen have to say about things. Might clue you in on why the politicians are doing things the way they are.

[-] 0 points by yobstreet (-575) 1 year ago

We need to publish Obama's one billion in campaign contributions.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 1 year ago

Barclays wins award for interest rate manipulators of the year....This is great...