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Forum Post: Florida's WAR on the Environment

Posted 7 months ago on Sept. 1, 2013, 11:18 a.m. EST by shooz (26739)
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"Cases and Fines Nosedive to Record Low Levels; Penalties Collected Fall 70%"

"Tallahassee — Enforcement of anti-pollution laws in Florida have plummeted to historic low levels during the second full year of Governor Rick Scott’s tenure, according to agency figures released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). Unprecedented deep across-the-board declines occurred in all areas of enforcement activity in nearly every district and division within the state Department of Environmental Protection (DEP).

This precipitous fall-off in cases brought, enforcement orders, and fines assessed and collected during 2012 comes on top of significant drops in these measures in 2011. This steep slide appears to reflect directives by Gov. Scott’s DEP that staff should avoid pursuing enforcement action if at all possible. At the same time, DEP has been roiled by demoralizing and selective layoffs targeting staff with enforcement duties."

http://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/2013/08/29/florida-pollution-enforcement-in-paralysis/

All I can say is WTF??

It's not just the pythons.

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[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21783) 7 months ago

What else do you expect from such a large group of Koch heads?

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Sleazy fines?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 7 months ago

Ya. I think that they know that ain't going to do anything.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (21783) 7 months ago

Yes, yes it does.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Bee death=$1,500

Killing millions of bees Doesn't get much of a reaction in Florida these days.

A small fine and the killing will continue.

http://grist.org/news/farm-kills-millions-of-bees-with-illegal-pesticide-spraying-gets-slap-on-wrist/

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20554) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

they know all of Florida will be under water and they don't much care. IT's time to take the money and run.

Anyone with property in Florida should just sell now, if they can. IT isn't likely to get any easier from here on out.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

It seems to have a lot to do with our old friends ALEC and those precocious, libe(R)tarian munchkins, the Koch brothers.

(Aren't they cute?)(In a really polluted kind of way.)

http://www.examiner.com/article/florida-s-rick-scott-just-call-him-governor-pollution

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20554) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

wow - so it really is deliberate then. Deflate property value statewide, reduce investment, encourage a mass exodus of the population. Brilliant strategy really, just leave the entire state to repelicans' own natural inclination to rape and to pillage so that by the time the sea rises driving out those who remain the costs associated with relocation will be a minimal burden on society as a whole while at the same time providing a stark lesson regarding the ultimate sustainability of conservative policy . . .

I'm tempted to say I like it.

But somehow, that would just be wrong . . .

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Easy for you and me to say.

We're both well above sea level................:)

Still, I hate seeing the Koch's and such having their way with any State.

[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20554) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

Actually I'm only about 800 feet above sea level, somewhere near the shores of what was once an inland sea . . . But I'm sure I'm safe from all but Noah's Flood . . .

[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Barring major tectonic movement you should be fine....:)

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20554) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

I dunno . . . we get water at a rate any faster than we did back in May and June of this year and the water simply will not be able to roll off the hill fast enough. The head of a small brook emerges on one corner of the property where I live, and that head water almost crossed over the road - right now it's a good three - four feet below the road elevation and the culvert under the road provides for a small trickle.

I'm tellin ya - 2 inches of water an hour will produce some damage.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

I hope you kept up with your whitewater rafting skills.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20554) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

fuck the raft man, what water is for body surfing !

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

I'm more worried about being driven out by rent

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

Or start putting up structures for an underwater theme park?

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20554) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

Those already exist. I've my business plan right here - Floridian Atlantis Coral Reef Tours - but I'm afraid the weather insurance will be prohibitively expensive . . .

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

but I'm afraid the weather insurance will be prohibitively expensive . .

I'LL bet - till it reaches a certain depth - then the storm above is just that - above. Though the insurance would still likely be high as your structure might go down a new sink hole.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20554) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

yeah-ya - the tours would be fine, it's the infrastructure supporting them. Sink holes, hurricanes, continued melt off of land based ice sheets which have the capacity to raise sea levels for the next several centuries . . .

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

the capacity to raise sea levels for the next several centuries . . .

I think "we" will live to see a significant rise in sea levels - and much more will happen - way in advance of previously published expectations.

[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20554) from South Burlington, VT 7 months ago

O I am sure we will, the vast majority of us anyway. But I think I've read that between the Greenland Ice Sheet and Antarctica there is enough land based ice to raise sea levels something like 300 - 400 feet. That seems to suggest that however much the sea rises between now and 20 . . . 30 - there will be plenty of ice remaining to continue the process of social upheaval and mass migration for a long time.

The leaked draft of IPCC 5th Report indicates:

  • Projections of sea level rise by 2100 are significantly higher in the AR5 draft than they were in AR4. The new report says sea level is likely to rise by between 29 and 82 centimeters by the end of the century, compared to 18-59 centimeters in the 2007 report.

  • The reason is that previous projections were limited by scientists' understanding of how quickly the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are melting. At the time of AR4, there was even uncertainty over whether Antarctica was gaining or losing ice overall.

  • Newer research confirms that both ice sheets are melting rapidly and that the pace is accelerating. The IPCC include a contribution to sea level rise by ice sheets of 0.11 metres by 2100, which is the main reason why predictions of sea level rise are higher this time round.

That's about 32 inches.

This chart indicates that the sum of all land based ice would equal about 80.32 meters when melted - or 263.5 feet. That's a bit less than other estimates I've seen. But still, when you consider the over all potential -

what the IPCC is projecting now remains a miniscule fraction of the whole potential, and it is highly likely that they continue to understate by a significant amount how much sea levels will rise by the end of this century.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

Anyway - If the massive sea walls required are not built - starting now ( wow 100% employment possible here folks - world wide - WooHoo ) - everyone on low lying coastal land ( or low lying in-land land that is sharing low lying topography connected to the coast ) should be looking to move to higher elevations.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 7 months ago

we can't justify feeding and clothing people unless they're working

[-] -2 points by ConferenceCall (-3) 7 months ago

I recently watched a documentary called Pacific Rim and unfortunately, those sea walls will not work.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

Depends - how much ground is necessary to sacrifice(?) to make sea walls possible. Areas of construction may well be a ways away from the ocean and incorporate a lot of existing topography.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33128) from Coon Rapids, MN 7 months ago

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[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

No.

What you mean to say, is that YOU aren't listening......

FLAKESnews is much to loud in your ears to hear much of anything at all.

If closing down womens health clinics in teabagge(R) States isn't a war on women?

What do you think would qualify?

[+] -4 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 7 months ago

24 Comments all by the same four people.

You do realize theres a hell of a lot more industry in Michigan and Ilinois than there is here right? They could put regulations here at 0, and Michigan would still be a net producer much higher.

At least ENVIRONMENT is spelled correct.

The war against the environment is by HUMANS. To single out specific states is pretty amateur.

If would be like me saying that because you worked for the oil companies your whole life- yes, thats who runs the auto industry- that it means you are directly responsible for global warming.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Is your mouth writing checks you can't fill again?

The difference is, I have been posting about pollution in Michigan.

We actually try and fight that stuff.

You on the other hand ignore it completely, as it applies to your State.

Spelling is correctable.

Your checks??

Not cashable.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (21783) 7 months ago

and therefore don't discuss it. You guys are so freaking transparent for your line of shit.

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[-] 1 points by shooz (26739) 7 months ago

Like I said.

I have pointed it out.

hchc? Never!

What State are you in, that you think you have anything to offer?