Forum Post: Fighting for our Bill of Rights to be restored should be our priority now! If we lose our Bill of Rights, we lose our voice. It will take away our power to protest the injustices we see in our society today.
Posted 12 years ago on Dec. 18, 2011, 1:40 p.m. EST by Windsofchange
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I think that this movement and all Americans should be out there fighting against the rape of our Bill of Rights. NDAA should not become law! President Obama as well as this lousy Congress has betrayed us. We should also protest for the Repeal of The Patriot Act that clearly violates our first and fourth amendment rights.
And now we have another threat against our freedoms--SOPA (Stop Online Piracy Act) and PIPA (Protect IP ACT). Yes, the powers that be really wanted this bill to pass that they put similar bills in the House (SOPA) and in the Senate (PIPA). This bill will end internet freedom and change the internet as we know it.
The biggest supporters of SOPA & Protect ID are of course Hollywood, The Music Industry, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. In addition to this list of companies that support these bills. Please see these links, ignore the title of the first one. http://theoriesofconspiracy.com/2011/11/list-of-major-companies-supporting-sopa.htm Also, check out these tech companies that are for SOPA. http://www.sfexaminer.com/politics/congress/2011/12/house-bill-ends-public-financing-elections?page=0%2C0%2C0%2C1 Even NBC supports SOPA and demands their that their partners support it as well.http://www.webpronews.com/nbc-wants-partners-to-support-sopa-or-else-2011-11 We need to keep with the petitions/campaigns, meltdown the Congress phone lines, and engage in mass protesting in front of Congress and in other strategic places. I also think there should be mass boycotts of Hollywood, the Music Industry, and NBC. Hit them where it hurts. We have power--don't forget it. The American people need to fight this or else goodbye freedom!
How do you feel about these awful bills (and law)? How do you think that OWS should deal with this? Please feel free to share your thoughts. We can't just sit here and allow our country to take this Fascist route. It is time to get out their and protest like we never protested before. The American people need to wake up and get out there and make their voices heard.
I just want to say that I have fully supported OWS protesting Wall Street (the money trail does lead there); however, I think we are at a critical time where we must focus on having more protest in D.C. Our focus should be on restoring our Bill of Rights or this movement and any other movements will be in jeopardy.
Right now OWS and the Tea Party are considered low-level terrorists (since when is protesting a terrorist activity)? Believe me when I say that there will be more fascist bills coming through Congress, one of them will definitely try to end protesting and movements who are protesting. If this happens, people will be arrested for peacefully protesting and labeled an all out terrorist. We can't allow this to happen.
For those of you just checking in.
Don't forget to petition the Justice Department to start prosecuting the economic criminals. There has to be accountability.
This is why we are here this is why you are needed.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/
Share, circulate, educate, inspire.
See also people from all walks of life, from all over the political map "not" supporting a party or leader or group of leaders but "supporting an Ideal".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Bgqt1YYko
Thank you--I really think that we need to get more aggressive in dealing with this corruption. I have a very bad feeling that 2012 will be a very crazy year. We will see a lot go on. So prepare yourself.
I looked at the you tube video--thank you for sharing. When it was mentioned about the crumbling infrastructure in this country. I thought of the 2009 infrastructure report card. It is scary. If let's say the West Coast has a bad earthquake or there is a New Madrid earthquake--I am telling you--you will see serious loss of life. This country is so unprepared for serious calamities. Check this out. http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/
Thank you for that link. I just stopped in for a quick look, and I see that I will need to take a much longer look and do some real exploring. It looks like it has real possibilities for pushing change.
http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/
Yes, our infrastructure is a real concern. I was looking for an update on this, but this is the last published report card (2009). Maybe, some improvements were made, but I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't the case. Many states just don't have the money to deal with their infrastructure problems.
You live in MN, so I don't know if you seen firsthand the huge chunk of that bridge in Minneapolis that collapsed. They said that part of the reason for the collapse was a design flaw in the bridge, in addition to poor maintenance. Most of the nation's infrastructure is easily 60 years. It is time for serious maintenance and replacement of failing infrastructure.
I travel over that bridge quite often as does my family.
In and on the subject of Infra structure. I was sent some interesting material about a fuel cell company. I looked for them on Google and found their link.
Check this out a real fuel cell company. Who knew?
http://www.fuelcellenergy.com/
Thanks. That is really interesting in regards to the fuel cell company.
In regards to the bridge in Minneapolis, I heard that they put up a replacement bridge in 2008. Is this what our state governments' wait for? That is until there is a catastrophe of some sort. Infrastructure issues is not something we can ignore for long.
Anyway, this is an important subject that is not discussed as often as it should be. Just wanted to create awareness about it.
No need to tell me, you are preachen to the choir. This is an epic issue.
This is why we are here this is why you are needed.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/inside-job-documentary/
Share, circulate, educate, inspire.
Thanks for remembering my posts and bumping them back up. They probably fell down to the very bottom of the pile.
I don't understand what is going on with NDAA, President Obama didn't sign it yet and it has been well past 10 days. Is this a pocket veto? http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1540
I believe. That the hold is due to the internet buzz going on about it. They are waiting to see just how much public outrage they will inspire. They don't want to feed the fires of Occupy or 99% if they can help it. They won't mention or acknowledge us, but their growing awareness of us is real.
Take action. See samples of how below.
183,361 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 10:15am central time 01/15/2012
http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578
The petition to save abandoned houses has 15 signatures. We picked one up at around 9:50pm 01/13/2012. Were just rolling right along.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/
Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.
http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb
Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/
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Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.
http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb
[-] Windsofchange 1 points 8 hours ago
I like to say that we should not go after those who did not vote for this bill. They did the right thing and for that we should leave them alone.
It doesn't matter if some of them in Congress did not vote for this legislation or the other. The fact remains who are they to pick and choose what they want to do? After all this is a Republic and those elected are supposed to represent only our will and not theirs.
Make no mistake all of those 535 skunks in Congress have established a Tyranny by passing one laws after another without our consent. Almost anything is a federal crime now in violation of the limitations posed upon them by the U.S. Constitution. Congress now controls even the powers reserved to the States!!! We cannot allow this. They're all not damn good. Next, or simultaneously, we have to go after, those other 9 skunks at the U.S. "criminal" Supreme Court who do nothing but approve all the crimes/usurpation of powers committed by Congress.
[-] Windsofchange 1 points 42 minutes ago
Occupy Capitol Hill. Yes, if we camp around or keep surrounding Capitol Hill by the thousands--they will have to listen. Okay, this I don't have too much of a problem with.
Good. Well, this was my suggestion to the people at OWS-Global Revolution. Basically, the same as what the Arabs did in Northern Africa. They were able to remove ancient dictatorship by their sheer presence and numbers. We have a federal dictatorship here too. These people in Congress, all of them Republicans and Democrats, don't give a damn about us. They pass all the laws that they want without our consent and it's time to stop them and remind them that our founding fathers established a Republic and not a dictatorship.
It's either this and it can be done. The numbers are there, we need only will to do it without using any violence whatsoever and we will win,change our destiny and establish a just society.
As I also said elsewhere, we have to concurrently establish/organize our own political party and start a membership drive for present and future followers and run our people for all the available position of office at the local,State and Federal Level.
[-] Windsofchange 1 points 3 hours ago
I want to clear something up first. I do not advocate violence and I regret using the term peasant revolt in my replies. However, with that said we need to seriously pursue holding Congress accountable for what they are presently doing so how do we go about doing this.
There is the way you mentioned, which I think is the final option (after every other option has been exhausted). Once again, I am a law abiding citizen and am strongly disapprove violence. I will speak more of what you after I listed a few other options.
I'm with you on this. We have to do things within the law,no question about it. But we have to keep rolling.
1) Okay, there are some that say we should vote them all out in 2012. However, this raises the question? Will who is going to replace them and how can we be sure that they don't end up just as greedy and corrupt as their predecessors. Also, another question rises in regards to vote tampering. Think back to Florida in 2004 (no surprises that Bush's brother was the Governor of that State at that time.) Also, the new computerized voting could easily be tampered with. So, can we even trust our voting systems anymore?http://people.howstuffworks.com/vote-tampering.htm
If for the time being we endorse,at some point, existing politicians in Congress, later State legislatures (I don't like none of them) they have to sign a declaration of intent and make the necessary changes which we will be demanding. Remember that they are the cause of all our evils.
2) What about demanding that a vote of no confidence be now made available to the American people to vote out those in Congress and even the President of the United States. I previously mentioned the fact that the current approval rating of Congress is at 9%? This would absolutely be grounds for cast a vote of no confidence on our Congressmen.
Cannot ask for this because this is not a parliamentary Republic and the U.S. Constitution doesn't provide for this option at present unless we force for a Constitutional Amendment providing for such relief: kick the politicians out through referenda if they come short of their oath of office.
3) Could we put our Congress on notice first by using petitions and having numerous protests and Marches on Capitol Hill. Maybe this will shake them up where they will start representing us.
Yes we can if you can get thousands of people to protest.
4) Could we have charges pressed against them for SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY. Don't know if you caught this persons thread on this forum. I am not sure about this, but just putting it out there. http://occupywallst.org/forum/charge-congress-with-seditious-conspiracy/
We the people cannot do it because Congress is empowered by the Constitution to press such conspiracy charges against others. They will not press these charges against themselves. The President could ask the Federal Courts to do it but don't count on this.
5) Can we sue Congress for not performing their job functions , and ultimately lying to and betraying the American People. I know that this sounds crazy. However, you and I, as well as any organization out there could be sued--then why not Congress? This has to be a class action suit (of millions of people). This is not so much about money, but about holding these Congressmen accountable and sending the message that they are not above the law.
No we cannot as the Courts,federal Courts will rule our actions as having no merit. The only way would be to remove to impeach each one of them but it would have to originate from Congress itself. The House of Representatives would have to formally introduce the impeachment charges. Don't count on it.
6) Now there is you suggestion where thousands upon thousands of Americans surrounding and storming into Congress and demanding that they all leave or be charged with treason. The thing I am worried about is that our troops (who are all going to be home very soon) will be called in and that all hell would break loose. People either will react to this and there would be a peasant revolt, or they will shrink back and accept the status quo. If the military is sic (ed) on us then, we should expect Marshall Law and the arrest of many Americans. If there is such a thing as the FEMA camps, people would be sent there under the NDAA law.
If we go there by the thousands,without storming anything, just staying there and demand that they leave because they don't care about us,never cared about the millions of petitions for redress of grievances sent to them (Congress) over the past decades and that they have guilty of treason against us and that they have established a de facto dictatorship in the USA where almost everything is a Federal Crime punishable harshly and brought about economic misery and despair in our lives that they have to go. We make sure that we will remain there until they all leave. This was done by the Arabs,non violent uprising, and they were able to remove ancient dictatorships and the United States Government offered assistants to all those fighters for freedom. Ultimately, in the case of Lybia the U.S. provided a military presence to remove Kaddafi. In all of the cases the U.S. Government asked the Dictators in power not to use violence,not to open fire against those peaceful demonstrators. Actually, the USA asked the Dictators to leave. We have Dictators here in the USA.
So there we have it.
I like to say that we should not go after those who did not vote for this bill. They did the right thing and for that we should leave them alone.
Occupy Capitol Hill. Yes, if we camp around or keep surrounding Capitol Hill by the thousands--they will have to listen. Okay, this I don't have too much of a problem with.
[-] Windsofchange 1 points 9 hours ago
This could only be done if there is a peasant revolt. I would like to see Congress sent home and be able to tell them that they have been fired because they have betrayed the American people one too many times. How they could have a 9% approval rating and still have jobs is beyond me.
Agree. But don't underestimate the presence of thousands of us every day surrounding the House of representatives and the U.S. Senate and demand that they leave or be charged of treason. This movement must understand that wall street doesn't work by itself. Our economy,commerce,almost everything is regulated by the actions/laws passed by the U.S. Congress. Most of these laws,if not all, are unconstitutional,oppressive,regressive and inhumane, and never approved by the people. Also Banks,corporations are regulated by laws passed by the States. But the major offender here is the federal government ,Congress, which has usurped powers,oppressed our people,the American people for the past 200 years almost unchallenged. It's time to kick them all out otherwise there will be no changes in the USA. All of them Republican and Democrats are a bunch of evils lost in their own glorified ego totally indifferent to the millions of letters/demands made to them for redress of our grievances. This is dictatorship not Republic form of government,
Now,to elaborate on what we suggest about a peasant revolt I would add that we could ask for truck drivers,local and long haul drivers to join. They could paralyze the entire country and help bring down this bunch of skunks in Congress. Remember, the Arabs did it in Northern Africa and were successful in removing old dictatorships. We should be able to do the same if we want real change otherwise those skunks in Congress will laugh at us. They really think that they're untouchable! I have suggested that the movement consider establishing itself as a political party, start membership drive and be ready to run our own people for all the available position of office at the local,county,State and federal level. We're in numerous deep troubles in this country and need actions. This dictatorship has to end.
I want to clear something up first. I do not advocate violence and I regret using the term peasant revolt in my replies. However, with that said we need to seriously pursue holding Congress accountable for what they are presently doing so how do we go about doing this.
There is the way you mentioned, which I think is the final option (after every other option has been exhausted). Once again, I am a law abiding citizen and am strongly disapprove violence. I will speak more of what you after I listed a few other options.
1) Okay, there are some that say we should vote them all out in 2012. However, this raises the question? Will who is going to replace them and how can we be sure that they don't end up just as greedy and corrupt as their predecessors. Also, another question rises in regards to vote tampering. Think back to Florida in 2004 (no surprises that Bush's brother was the Governor of that State at that time.) Also, the new computerized voting could easily be tampered with. So, can we even trust our voting systems anymore?http://people.howstuffworks.com/vote-tampering.htm
2) What about demanding that a vote of no confidence be now made available to the American people to vote out those in Congress and even the President of the United States. I previously mentioned the fact that the current approval rating of Congress is at 9%? This would absolutely be grounds for cast a vote of no confidence on our Congressmen.
3) Could we put our Congress on notice first by using petitions and having numerous protests and Marches on Capitol Hill. Maybe this will shake them up where they will start representing us.
4) Could we have charges pressed against them for SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY. Don't know if you caught this persons thread on this forum. I am not sure about this, but just putting it out there. http://occupywallst.org/forum/charge-congress-with-seditious-conspiracy/
5) Can we sue Congress for not performing their job functions , and ultimately lying to and betraying the American People. I know that this sounds crazy. However, you and I, as well as any organization out there could be sued--then why not Congress? This has to be a class action suit (of millions of people). This is not so much about money, but about holding these Congressmen accountable and sending the message that they are not above the law.
6) Now there is you suggestion where thousands upon thousands of Americans surrounding and storming into Congress and demanding that they all leave or be charged with treason. The thing I am worried about is that our troops (who are all going to be home very soon) will be called in and that all hell would break loose. People either will react to this and there would be a peasant revolt, or they will shrink back and accept the status quo. If the military is sic (ed) on us then, we should expect Marshall Law and the arrest of many Americans. If there is such a thing as the FEMA camps, people would be sent there under the NDAA law.
So there we have it.
The ruling class is severely paranoid and losing there mental faculties. Personally, I could care less about the constitution - it's mostly a property contract and pecking order preservation document for the wealthy.
Yes, the ruling class is getting crazy, but still and all I don't want to see the Bill of Rights go up in flames.
Here check out this video on how we are losing our freedoms everyday. Talk about Orwellian society. http://www.wpix.com/videogallery/66806863/News/IT’S-ALL-ABOUT-CONTROL#pl-62886862
I'm not really worried about it. Within 20 years all institutions will be changed. The constitution does very little for the common man. What the ruling class is doing is making it harder for revolution. They can't stop the flow of history as much as they may try.
[-] Windsofchange 1 points 1 hour ago
Folks, as mentioned previously in regards to the SOPA bill, if calling/writing (to) our Congressmen, petitioning and protesting doesn't work--then we must boycott (and I mean seriously boycott) Hollywood and The Music Industry, as well as NBC.
What we should really do is the same as what the Arabs did when they removed ancient dictatorships. We should go to the seat of all the evil in Washington, D.C. and give those 535 skunks in Congress 48 hrs to pack and go. I've been saying this for thirty years. I agree with you that calling/writing to Congress doesn't work.
This could only be done if there is a peasant revolt. I would like to see Congress sent home and be able to tell them that they have been fired because they have betrayed the American people one too many times. How they could have a 9% approval rating and still have jobs is beyond me.
Folks, as mentioned previously in regards to the SOPA bill, if calling/writing (to) our Congressmen, petitioning and protesting doesn't work--then we must boycott (and I mean seriously boycott) Hollywood and The Music Industry, as well as NBC.
I know avoid NBC probably would be easy enough for most people and their ratings will take a huge plunge. However, I do think that many Americans would struggle with not going to movies, not buying or renting movies,not buying musics in the stores and online.But here is the deal, if Hollywood and The Music Industry are the driving forces behind this bill being pushed through Congress--then you know what--they can do without our business. If they think they are losing millions of dollars through online piracy, then let them see how much money they will be losing through mass boycotts. I would not give them anymore business until this Fascist bill either is pulled from Congress, doesn't pass, or in the terrible chance it does passes--then it is quickly repealed.
As I always say, you abuse--you lose. Too bad Hollywood and The Music Industry.
Copied & Tweeted.
Thank you! The word has to get out there.
It is sad that there are Americans out there that have no idea what is going on in this country. It's depressing.
I'm trying to get better with practice.
I sent out 1 general tweet and over 100 contact tweets.
We absolutely need to spread the word and share good content.
Looks like I got about 78 tweets out before they spanked me.
Oh, well at least you got 78 tweet out. Please don't hesitate to post something about this as well.
I just can't believe what is going on in this country today. Unreal!
Once again--Thank you.
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Great post as usual, Windsofchange.
WHO are the real ANARCHISTS in today's America, the Patriots of OWS or the Suit-and-Tie Mafia that has covertly taken over the country?
Isn't it "kinda ironic" that all over this troll-infested forum, OWS haters are accusing the Movement of being "just a bunch of anarchists"?
Actually, America and a great many other pseudo-democracies are NOT the law-and-order countries that they claim to be, but are basically GLORIFIED ANARCHIES where "MIGHT TRUMPS RIGHT".
Isn't that why Wall Street got away with clearly immoral AND illegal practices that plunged the country - and the world - into a catastrophic crisis?
And isn't that why Congress has just decided to basically scrap our "Bill of Rights" and "Magna Carta" protections dating back to 1215?
WHO is currently governing this country, if not a mafia of SUIT-AND-TIE ANARCHISTS? "OBAMA IS SURROUNDED BY MAFIA!" recently exclaimed spiritual teacher and physician Deepak Chopra.
As Chris Hedges pointed out months ago, the Great Patriots of OWS are actually fighting to uphold the Constitution and "restore the rule of Law". They are, in a word, the POLAR OPPOSITE of the suit-and-tie anarchists who have staged a covert and gradual COUP D'ETAT against our democracy.
"Actually, America and a great many other pseudo-democracies are NOT the law-and-order countries that they claim to be, but are basically GLORIFIED ANARCHIES where "MIGHT TRUMPS RIGHT". You aren't kidding. The law it seems is for everyone else, the "true anarcists" are too busy being above the law and looting this country.
I said this before and I say this again, If the Wall Street criminals are not held accountable for their crimes against the American people and what they did to hurt our economy (bunch of economic hit men that they are), then Bernie Madoff should be apologized to and set free. Well actually, he deserves to be in jail (but he was a distraction used while even bigger crooks them him kept it up with their criminal practices). They are Suit and Tie Anarchists who only care about money, power and prestige.
I want to see this movement grow exponentially. I want to see more and more people wake up everyday and join this movement. Right now we have a lot of haters that never cease to try to hurt this movement by painting it in a bad light. However, what I see are people who feel threatened. There is a saying that goes like this; "If everyone is shooting at you--then you must be doing something right." Kudos, OWS for doing the right thing!
Yes I completely agree the Wall Street criminals are in a sense anarchists. That is a good way of looking at them.
They care nothing for this country. They are bankrupting this country and laughing all the way to the bank. They are straight out evil!
"If everyone is shooting at you--then you must be doing something right."
Look at Michael Moore, the quintessential American hero - and yet the 1% REVILED him, tried to make him "the most hated man in America".
Shhhhh! The TROLLS on this forum go HAYWIRE IN SYNC when you utter the name of MICHAEL MOORE.... :)
http://occupywallst.org/forum/michael-moore-gets-giddy-over-occupy-wall-street-f/
Yeah, tell me about all the hate-mongerering and character assassination. You think Michael Moore was the devil the way they carry on about him.
His documentary; "Capitalism: A Love Story" really must have hit an nerve with the 1% percenters. This video clip pretty much says it all. http://youtu.be/Cy87kzKxkP8 This is why we have OWS today.
"You'd think Michael Moore was the devil the way they carry on about him..."
INDEED! And the irony of this is that Michael Moore is in fact a deeply devout, Christic (=Christ-inspired) man. I believe he is Catholic and I personally am no fan of the Church's teachings, which appear so often at odds with those of Jesus, but I am absolutely a fan of Michael Moore and know he will go down in history as one of the Fathers of the OWS Movement.
Yes, Michael Moore is a good champion for this movement.
I am a christian and can honestly tell you that the teachings of Christ (the bible) has been so abused and twisted by so many people. I said this on another forum the other day. "How is that there are people who can demonize an old lady for losing her home and being thrown out on the streets (by saying she deserves it), yet pat themselves on the back and say that they are good christians? Do you honestly think that that what Jesus taught?" Oh, and I added at the end a big "Shame on you!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EewGMBOB4Gg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
Okay. Thanks.