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Forum Post: Federal Government Renews Push To Disarm Veterans

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 25, 2013, 10:32 a.m. EST by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY
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The criminals in charge of our illegitimate government are apparently scared of veterans.

From http://www.blacklistednews.com/Federal_Government_Renews_Push_To_Disarm_Veterans/24391/0/38/38/Y/M.html :

"It should become even more apparent that the U.S. government is attempting to implement a policy that will disarm a large number of military veterans. There are now reports from veterans who are receiving letters from the Department of Veterans Affairs stating that they could be banned from owning or possessing a firearm and ammunition should government officials deem them to be incompetent. The letters appear to have been sent to a number of veterans who are registered with the VA as having a disability. It is unknown how many veterans have received these letters but it basically proposes that the VA rate the veteran as incompetent to handle their benefit payments. If the veteran is classified as incompetent than according to the letter they would be effectively banned from owning a firearm.

The letter states as follows.

A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”

So essentially if some government bureaucrat deems a disabled veteran as being incompetent it will prohibit them from buying, owning or transporting a firearm and ammunition. This is with no due process, no trial by jury or anything. As ridiculous as this might be, it falls right in line with the overall agenda that is at work to disarm veterans. With the American economy continuing to crumble, the establishment is gearing up for a revolt and if such a revolt takes place, veterans will be one of their primary threats. Veterans know how the military operates from the inside so it makes sense that they would want as many veterans disarmed as possible."

This really shouldn't be a surprise. Kissinger: “Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.

"Why Does The U.S. Government Treat Military Veterans Like Human Garbage?" http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/why-does-the-u-s-government-treat-military-veterans-like-human-garbage

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[-] 2 points by PublicCurrency (1387) 1 year ago

See examples from recent history where "gun control" laws were enacted and then tyranny by the government proceeded.

Click on a country in the chart in order to learn about what occurred in that country.

http://www.mercyseat.net/gun_genocide.html

[-] 1 points by conservatroll (161) 1 year ago

Truly a Libs logical solution to gun violence. People with guns will be avoiding psychiatric care!

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Smart, real smart. Not.

[-] 1 points by Nevada5 (8) 1 year ago

Good Post

[-] 1 points by TheBlackSun (-32) 1 year ago

Scary. And bizarre!

[-] 1 points by grapes (3250) 1 year ago

Interesting. I did not know that there is now hatched the new grade of "competent" citizenship. The U.S. is ever innovative -- evolving new grades from "national" citizenship valid worldwide to "domestic" citizenship due to not owning sufficient overseas investments to mask its status as an emaciated eagle (good luck if its citizens get into trouble outside of the U.S. borders), to "non-suspect" citizenship (robosigning for FISA-(un)warranted searches), to what is now "competent" citizenship (2nd amendment rights denied to those trained by the U.S. government if they are deemed incompetent).

[-] 3 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

It's a very slippery slope we are on.

[-] 3 points by grapes (3250) 1 year ago

One amendment at a time, our Bill of Rights is being rescinded. They were the keystone for our Constitution that is being chipped away. I wonder how much more time we have before sending our veterans to gooleg's.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Veterans need to wake up and recognize their true enemy.

[-] 3 points by grapes (3250) 1 year ago

The Soviets had their gulags where special people get "treatments" for their "mental" conditions. The U.S. may well build high-tech search-confine-and-treat facilities for our very special people such as "mentally incompetent" veterans. Our veterans have all sworn to uphold and protect the U.S. Constitution against all enemies so it is obvious who their true enemy is -- those undermining the Constitution.

[-] 0 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

Violence is always wrong.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

"Both MLK and Gandhi believed in armed self defense, MLK even once applied for a concealed carry permit." http://occupywallst.org/forum/both-mlk-and-gandhi-believed-in-armed-self-defense/

You would offer no resistance to a thug threatening you or your family?

[-] 1 points by HCabret (-327) 1 year ago

neither beleived in violence. both suggested defending yourself non-violently. neither suggested non-resistance.

YOU CAN FIGHT WITHOUT VIOLENCE!!!!!!!

[-] 1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

I wish I could find the Gandhi quote criticizing the Brits. Something to the effect that the most egregious thing they did was DISARM the natives!

[-] 1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 1 year ago

ah yes

"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas Gandhi, an Autobiography, page 446.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038484_Gandhi_quote_Facebook_censorship.html#ixzz2MMXn2Cgr

[-] 0 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

First take, this is the codification of classism:

1) Congress memebers are high class
2) Super Rich are high class
3) Executuves of huge corporations are high class
4) State governors and representatives are high class
5) People from old money or rich families since they can do no wrong and never commit crime, fraud, or white collar crime, they are high class, and get a pass on investigations, questions from congress, DOJ, FTC, SEC, and bank examiners.
6) Anyone that lobbies congress or makes campaign contributions.

7) Lower & Middle class is everyone else.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34121.htm

Is Honesty the Best Policy? Look at the Evidence

When society rewards lying and cheating, and punishes whistleblowers, how honest are we being about our values?

By Morris Davis

February 28, 2013 "Information Clearing House" - "The Guardian" - "Honesty is the best policy" and "cheaters never win" are among the best known sayings of all times, but are they true? Reality shows that society's reverence for these principles is betrayed by the fact that, all too often, it is the liars and cheaters we reward.

Jonah Lehrer was a bestselling author and a respected journalist until the summer of 2012 when the former Rhodes scholar and neuroscientist was shown to have engaged in a pattern of plagiarism and dishonesty. By early fall, the man who was once heralded as a prodigy had resigned from his post at the New Yorker, was reportedly terminated at Wired magazine, and the sale of his book Imagine was suspended.

Lehrer was paid $20,000 to speak at a Knight Foundation event in Miami earlier this month where he blamed his ethical lapses on his own arrogance, need for attention and ability to make excuses to himself for his conduct. The Knight Foundation, an organization that touts its commitment to "journalistic excellence", issued an apology the next day, saying it "should not have put itself into a position tantamount to rewarding people who have violated the basic tenets of journalism".

The Knight Foundation is not alone; in fact, rewarding Jonah Lehrer for a talk about his dishonesty is not atypical behavior. We make millionaires and heroes out of professional athletes who swear publicly that they do not cheat when we know that they do. We idolize celebrities who lie to us about everything from their sobriety to their fidelity. We say we distrust government and that nearly all of our politicians are dishonest, yet we keep re-electing ethically challenged candidates who talk about their dedication to public service while serving their own interests.

Disgraced former South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford lied when he said he was hiking the Appalachian Trail while he was really in Argentina carrying on an affair with his mistress. Even though he weathered the immediate storm and completed his term as governor, he paid $74,000 to settle dozens of ethics charges related to his campaign spending and personal travel, and he was censured by the state legislature. A few years later – and despite a chorus of public complaints about the lack of trust in the integrity of members of Congress – Sanford is a leading contender for a vacant seat in the US House of Representatives.

Former professional cyclist Lance Armstrong finally came clean and admitted that he doped, but it was years of cheating and lying that propelled him from obscurity as a mediocre racer to enormous wealth and legendary status. When the dust of the doping scandal eventually settles, and even with his reputation tarnished forever, Armstrong will still be the most famous cyclist in the world, and will likely spend his days enjoying what remains of the wealth cheating and lying earned him.

On the other hand, society often penalizes those who have the audacity to tell the truth. PJ Crowley was assistant secretary of State for public affairs when, in March 2011, he described the military's pre-trial treatment of Army Private Bradley Manning – the person alleged to have provided classified documents to WikiLeaks – as "ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid". Crowley was gone from the State Department three days later. In January 2013, the military judge presiding over the Manning trial reached the same conclusion as had Crowley about abusive treatment, although she did not use his exact words; she awarded Manning extra time off of any sentence he might receive if he is convicted.

In 2004, Army Specialist Joe Darby came forward and turned over photographs of detainee abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison, sparking an investigation into what would become an iconic part of the Iraq war. As a result, Darby and his family spent months at an undisclosed location under continuous security – not because of threats from the enemy, but because of threats from his fellow Americans.

The soldier with the integrity to step up and report criminal conduct was dubbed "a borderline traitor" and "a rat", and many took shots at his patriotism. Darby said:

"People are pissed because I turned in an American soldier for abusing an Iraqi. They don't care about right and wrong."

If the merit of a policy can be measured by the extent society tends to reward compliance and penalize non-compliance, then the premise that honesty is the best policy is itself dishonest. Instead, as Joe Darby suggests, it is not so much a question of right or wrong, honesty or cheating, as it is a question of whether people hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see. In a tangible sense, it can be more rewarding to give the masses a false sense of well-being or pander to their preconceived notions than it is to be honest and potentially cause them doubt or disappointment.

In his farewell address, President George Washington said:

"I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy."

Maybe, some day, Washington will be right, but today, he is not. If honesty really was the best policy and cheaters never won, then the Knight Foundation would not have made over a check that should have never been written and candidates whose conduct undermines faith in government would never get re-elected.

As a society, we should not complain about dishonesty and cheating when we keep rewarding vices as if they were virtues.

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Informationclearinghouse is just that. Thanks.

In times of criminal governance, immorality and unethical behavior spread throughout society as the corrupt no longer feel they need to hide it.

[-] 0 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

We definitely agree the fight is against corruption. US Congress is Fascist in it's support of Corporations. The Sequestior maybe the thing to mobilize the US Population to Finally demand change. As of Today US Congress will not act Against Corporate Interest. They are Fascist.

[-] 0 points by shadows (-39) 1 year ago

obama is the front man fascist. Look behind the curtain to see Jarrett

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Yeah, someone was telling me about Jarret. A woman from Chicago and the Chicago Political machine. I've been thinking trying to remember her name this week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/us/politics/valerie-jarrett-is-the-other-power-in-the-west-wing.html?pagewanted=all

Maybe Obama and all of us would be better off if he fired all his staff, all his advisors, and Eric Holder, TIm Geithner, and Ben Bernanke ..... actually I don't get a good feeling about Kerry Either. He looks like he is going to support Turkey, Isreal, and NATO ... along with the Radicals behind the MIC or PMIC.

[-] -1 points by shadows (-39) 1 year ago

Obama can fire his staff, but their influence over him and the policies wouldnt stop. Think Van Jones. Obama is just the front man.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 1 year ago

Interesting. Van Jones looks like a big player and connected to Clinton. Appears he might have presured the Dept. of Energy to sign the deals for Solyndra - which really is a black eye for Alternative Energy. Where as, the Denver Airport seems to be a success in Solar Development and has expanded its Solar Energy Production.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_for_All

The United Steelworkers (USW), the Sierra Club, the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), Green for All and the Blue Green Alliance, a partnership of the USW and Sierra Club, have launched the national Green Jobs for America campaign.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones#The_Green_Collar_Economy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation#Clinton_Global_Initiative_.28CGI.29

Being as Van Jones is a Public and Private Executive, a Green Energy Leader, a Liberal, a defender of Civil Rights, a democrat, ... we would expect that he is controversial in the USA. The Nature of the US Man and US Politics is this Right and Wrong, Left and Right, Bi-partisan smear campagns. In fact War is not part of Capitalism necessarily, not part of Socialism, Marxism, or Communism necessarily. So we know something else drives our US Expansionism and Military Actions and Expansion....

If Van Jones and Obama were Marxists or Communists ... then we have to ask why they didn't shut down the Wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and shut down our military expansion in lik 2009. But since they didn't ... we know Obama and maybe Van Jones are Right Wing War Hawks.

So there are more than one way to perceive Obama and Jarret and Van Jones... I think we have a Capitalist Military Security State and Anti Constitution, Anti-People Rights Government. A one party Government which deregulates for Oligopolies ... and which regulates against milk farmers, farmers in general, mom & pop stores, small business competition, small banks, small stores, and all small business in general... Plus they don't might adding control, data for insurance, data for government, and actions that put more expenses on common US People.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

I see this as a warning to departing servicemen or the soon to be labeled war veteran. The reality is that the Dept of Veteran Affairs has no authority after one is discharged.

[-] 1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

This is a multi-faceted evil. Veterans may be reluctant to seek treatment for PTSD (brought on by illegal, immoral, evil wars of unwelcome occupation) -- it could be used as an excuse to deny gun ownership.

[-] 0 points by Theeighthpieceuv8 (-32) from Seven Sisters, Wales 1 year ago

This ain't the first f*cking war, bro...

[-] -1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

PTSD is not the same thing as shell shock. PTSD is based on guilt, due to involvement in immoral actions.

[-] -1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Did William Calley get one of these letters?

[-] -1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

What's happened to our veteran commenters? And the pro 2A contingent?

[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Defending the constitution against domestic ememies requires citizens that understand the law. With free speech abridged and the cognitive infiltration, veterans and active duty cannot see a reason to step forward.

They need to step into the light we create with our understanding.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

when are you going to start doing that?

I would suggest upending the (R)epelican't tyranny currently infecting Michigan at the behest of those neolibe(R)tarian curmudgeons, the Koch brothers.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

When do you stop abridging the meanings of free speech with your erroneous, nonsensical, distorted agenda of confusion?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Koch brothers malfeasance confuses you?

That's understandable. Try shutting off FLAKESnews, Limbaugh and anything else of that nature.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Nonsensical cognitive infiltration manipulation in attempts to confuse and mix context.

Soldiers can fight legally for ART5 because it was unconstitutionally denied over 100 years ago. It is just, proper and constitutional.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Because from around 1974, these people have done absolutely NOTHING to defend the constitution.

So when are you going to start?

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Okay, Browns soldiers inquiry is an ideal, and realistically you are correct. But perhaps since the beginning of the civil war is more accurate.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Nope.

Nixon!!

High Treason!

No Trial!!

On with the show.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

1911, 2/3 of the state apply for an ART5, but congress does not convene delegates. High treason enabling the federal reserve.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That wasn't in my lifetime and what I've read about that is unreliable.

Nixon?

Not the same thing.

He was crook. A flat out, lowlife crook.

There is no doubt.

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

So you would have us focus on a corrupt icon of the past rather than the usurpation of the constitution?

ART5 is our way to assure rights and justice.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Screw ALEC induced and pushed art5 crap.

It'll just lose us more of our rights and increase those of the neolibe(R)tarians pushing for it.

And they have abused what they have as it is.

[-] 0 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Using ALEC like you do shows an agenda because you won't comment on preparatory amendment.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

OK, Mr. Allison.

Whatever you say.

[-] 0 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

Do not forget the dems who hold the repubs hand all the way down the yellow brick road.They only pay lip service when in fact do as much damage to us as the Repubs.The only function of that party is to placate the people.Giving a false illusion of having hope with this goverment.You have no hope!

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

WallStreet and KStreet, among others are refused admittance into your world?

[-] -1 points by nobnot (529) from Kapaa, HI 1 year ago

At times a cockaroach will get in.I would recomend that they are stoped before they can breed.

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

I was actually just talking about this forum. But you bring up a much bigger issue. Wow. Everyone wonders if that will come into play.

[-] 2 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Christopher Brown has that thing called the soldiers inquiry. So far, from what I 've seen, soldiers are far more afraid of command than of losing the constitution

[-] 0 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

I'll check C. Brown out, thnx.

How do they feel about fighting wars in a foreign country's interest (paranoid interest) not America's? Or, how do they see the mideast wars?

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

It's the constitution all they way with the ART5 group. No war that is not in direct defense.

Corporations have made many wars appear necessary just to make business easier or bigger. The WTO is the official sanction for commercial takeover disguised as trade agreement.

What really excites me is the notion of preparatory amendment at ART5. It really can end so much of this tyranny. First the nation becomes as constitutional in the conditions that exist socially, then it amends to reverse all the corporate/infiltration un-constitutionalities that have accumulated over ther last 100 years plus.

[-] -2 points by MagicalBoy (-18) 1 year ago

Most of them left after DKAtoday, shooz, and GirlFriday took over the forum.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26917) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Most of them left after DKAtoday, shooz, and GirlFriday took over the forum.

Shills and other assorted trolls and sellouts? I would like 2 think so. But U account 4 a majority of the shills/trolls/sellouts - being the major sock puppet user that U R.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (26917) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Unmentionable one - U still playing U'r Game of trying 2 discredit others?

U do not like this forum?

Not a problem.

Go away and start U'r own.

Be sure 2 take all U'r socks with ya.

[-] 1 points by TheBlackSun (-32) 1 year ago

Whores for the DNC. This whole so called "movement" is an arm of the Obama machine. Never been anything else.

[-] -3 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

'Fraid so.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I'm enjoying watching you flail around grasping for anything to hang on to. It's fun.

[-] -3 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

It's odd how your statements are structured as though they make sense. However they don't. You may have a brain disorder.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Nah. Of course, you're a cockroach.

[-] -1 points by nomdeguerre (1775) from Brooklyn, NY 1 year ago

Thanks for the bump.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (26917) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Having cognitive problems - R U ?