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Forum Post: FBI role in terrorist bomb plots

Posted 6 years ago on April 22, 2013, 5:21 p.m. EST by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai
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For the past 20 years, the FBI has used informants and agent-provocateurs to induce Muslims and others to plan terrorist bombings, and in many cases it is known that the FBI actually supplied weapons, money, and explosives to individuals who otherwise would have had no capability of carrying out any sort of terrorist action on their own.

It is well documented that an FBI informant participated in the building of the bomb that killed six and injured 1,000 at the World Trade Center in New York on Feb. 26, 1993. A former Egyptian military officer, who had also been trained by U.S. special forces, was used by the FBI to infiltrate a circle of Muslims and to help them build a bomb. At the last minute, the FBI was supposed to substitute harmless powder for the real explosives, but somehow the FBI "messed up" and left the genuine explosives in place which were then used in the deadly bombing.

After many months of press accounts of how the FBI had cracked the case by painstaking detective work, the truth started to come out on Oct. 28, 1993, when the New York Times reported:

"Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

"The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an FBI supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer said.

"The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City's tallest towers."

The FBI's role was just recently brought up on April 16, the day after the Boston Marathon bombings, by Fox TV's Ben Swann, on a "Reality Check" segment, who asked if the previous day's bombings were the product of an FBI entrapment operation gone awry. Swann described the New York 1993 bombing, and said, "So the question tonight must be asked, did the FBI have any knowledge of this plot before it happened?" and, "Is the practice of the FBI creating terror plots only to break them up before they can actually happen, really making us safer? What happened here?"

After the 9/11/2001 attacks, and continuing in the Obama Administration, the FBI has carried out numerous entrapment operations, to the extent that most terrorist prosecutions in the past ten years in the U.S. actually involved plots created by the FBI. According to a report by last summer by the Center on National Security at Fordham Law School, "there have been 138 terrorism or national security prosecutions involving informants since 2001," and these informants have usually crossed the line "from merely observing potential criminal behavior to encouraging and assisting people to participate in plots that are largely scripted by the FBI itself."

One of the most egregious of these cases is the so-called "Newburgh Four" in New York State, in which an informant in 2008-09 offered the defendants $250,000, as well as weapons, to carry out a terrorist plot. The New York University Center for Human Rights and Justice reviewed this case and two others, and concluded: "The government's informants introduced and aggressively pushed ideas about violent jihad and, moreover, actually encouraged the defendants to believe it was their duty to take action against the United States."

The federal judge presiding over the Newburgh case, Colleen McMahon, declared that it was "beyond question that the government created the crime here," and she criticized the FBI for sending informants "trolling among the citizens of a troubled community, offering very poor people money if they will play some role—any role—in criminal activity."

In Portland, Oregon, it was disclosed during the trial of the "Christmas Tree bomber" earlier this year, that the FBI had actually produced its own terrorist training video, which was shown to the defendant, depicting men with scarf-covered faces shooting guns and setting off bombs using a cell phone as a detonator. The FBI operative also traveled with the target to a remote location where they detonated an actual bomb concealed in a backpack as a trial run for the planned attack.

In Brooklyn, New York, in 2012, an FBI agent posing as an al-Qaeda operative supplied a target with fake explosives for a 1,000-pound bomb, which the FBI's victim then attempted to detonate outside the Federal Reserve building in Manhattan.

In Irvine, California, in 2007, an FBI informant was so blatant in attempting to entrap members of the local Islamic Center into violent jihadi actions, that the mosque went to court and got a restraining order against the FBI informant.

The Boston FBI office has its own history of this. In the 2011 case of Rezwan Ferdaus, accused of planning to send miniature planes carrying explosives crashing into the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon, the FBI went even further. According to the London Guardian (Sept. 29, 2011), the FBI provided money to Ferdaus to travel to Washington and to buy an F-86 Sabre miniature plane for the attack. "The prosecution case also reveals how Ferdaus ordered the plane and rented a storage facility in which to keep it and then took delivery from the FBI of 25 pounds of C-4 explosives, three grenades, and six AK-47 rifles." (Emphasis added.) The official FBI press release, on Sept. 29, 2011, explicitly acknowledged that the FBI provided Ferdaus with "approximately 1.25 pounds of actual C-4 explosives."

This operation was publicly defended by both Richard DesLauriers, the head of the Boston FBI office, and Carmen Ortiz, the United States Attorney — both of whom are still in place overseeing the Marathon bombing case.




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[-] 2 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 6 years ago

Thanks Arturo. I would bet 99.99% of the people didn't know about this. A very important story that every American should be aware of.

[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

Thank you. Glad to hear you think so.

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 6 years ago

You might also include the NY times link that justiceforzim posted for people who automatically assume Larouche info is garbage.

[-] 0 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

I'm not aware of the link. Could you post it here?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 6 years ago

Good post Arturo. So many attrocities committed by USG/PTB.


[-] 0 points by justiceforzim (-17) 6 years ago

A related theory posited by a former State employee blogger:

By that I do not mean, repeat, do not mean that the FBI or any other US agency sent the Boston bros out to bomb the marathon. On the basis of just experience, and I emphasize that I have no direct knowledge of this case, I am starting to suspect that the older murderer had been recruited by the FBI to infiltrate Islamist cells. Little bits of information that are coming out are starting to convince me of that:

--The mystery of how the brothers got visas. On what basis were they admitted?

--The Russians warned us about the older pig, but we "ignored" it.

--That older assassin traveled to Russia and stayed there for six months. How did he pay for that? Was it just welfare money, or was there other government money involved? Did anybody interview him after he returned? The dirtbag mother claims that the FBI talked to big boy several times: might she be telling the truth here? Did the Russians provide us any information on his activities in Russia?

--The quickness with which the murderers were identified indicates to me, at least, that the FBI had their pictures in the system, and that some FBI agent might have had an "OMG!" moment when the killers' faces emerged. I can imagine that conversation, "Hey Harry. Isn't that the guy you recruited? You know, that Dagestani or whatever guy in Watertown, sure looks like him."

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

Here's some info on the Russian connection:

Russian Warnings About Tsarnaev Came via Established Channel - http://larouchepac.com/node/26318

Russia Contacted the FBI a Second Time in November 2012 about Tamerlan Tsarnaev - http://larouchepac.com/node/26313

Here's some on a "neocon" connection:

Who Blinded The U.S. on Chechen Terrorists? - http://larouchepac.com/node/26303

[-] 0 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

larouche - always a source of truth and sanity

"It is well documented that an FBI informant participated in the building of the bomb that killed six and injured 1,000 at the World Trade Center"

Documented on lyndon's used toilet paper?

[-] 3 points by Middleaged (5140) 6 years ago

I figure Zohan will be killed before the truth comes out. The Warren Commision, the MLK Murder, the cover up of the Savings & Loan Scandal, the Keating Five, the Deregulation of Banks, the cover up of Off Shoring, the Lack of Investigation into either the Off Shoring, the Tax Impact of Off Shore Incorporation, the Tax Impact of Off Shore Production, the Lack of Investigation of 2008 Financial Crisis with Waivers Provided under a Democratic President, ..... The lack of Investigation & Action into the Carried Interest Tax Break for Hedge Funds .... the Total Failure of Financial Reform ... the Total Failure to take big banks to Court for Redress...

Seems George Bush Suspended the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions...... SO yes, it is illegal and I feel we would get more info from terrorist if we let them write books and talk to the press. I don't think the Death Penalty has any checks and balances. But that is what the Right is asking for. Apparently, the meme has been sent out asking for death.


A) Rendition
B) Torture in any country or transportation of prisoners to a foreign country for Torture.
C) Prisoners of War, since these are not an army, or part of an army, there is no state at war with the USA, There is no Army at war with the USA, ... these guys are terrorists, criminals, should be tried as criminals, evidence should be gathered, FBI or CIA should gather the evidence and make the case in from of a Jury.
D) The Right to Not incriminate yourself should be up held by the courts.
E) The right to have a Lawyer should be up held.
F) The right to a speedy trial and freedom from cruel punishment should be up held.
G) We should treat people as if they are Americans with the Rights of Americans.
H) The War on Terror is an artificial Construct.
I) The war on Drugs is an artificial Construct.
J) The War on Iraq is an artificial Construct.
K) The war on Afghanistan does not have a state enemy or an army to face. Therefore there is no war. It is a crime that is sought to be remedied.
L) You can not declare war on a Guerilla because they have no base, no logistical hub, no maintenance hub, no borders, no lines of communication, no army, no navy, no air force,... you can't declare war on an entity that you can't identify on a map. You might as well declare war on a corporation. It is only an idea. It is only ephemeral.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (5843) 6 years ago

Good work Middleaged.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 6 years ago

Yes, we just ask for our Primary Document which provides Amendments 1-10 for People as citizens who create the government & Who Regulate Commerce to be Upheld. And we are proud of our fight against the Nazis in WWII and the Fascists in Italy & Spain... and we want toe Geneva Convention to be our highest value.

  • Have to add something about the Decapitalization of the USA.

  • By signing NAFTA and following free trade agreements suggested by GAAT & WTO... we have allow Off Shoring of Production and the closing of manufacturing bases in the USA.

  • We export only $1 Trillion worth of US Goods now. But some of that is Financial Services which don't add to the Economy, don't had jobs, and don't really add security to the USA.

  • Jobs have been lost as money has not only gone off shore while closing manufacturing in the USA... that money also in no Invested in the USA, ... and that money 95% is leaked out of the US Economy and doesn't get spent by the rich people who get it.

  • Economic Leakage, Monetary Leakage, Savings Leakage, Importing Goods sends money out of the USA, and Capitalization Leakage money Invested outside of the USA ... these all hurt Jobs & Out Tax base, put pressure on Low & Middle Class in Paying taxes, Put Stress on our Ability to Attend University.

  • Here there are many Economic Metrics that can be Started, Tracked, Forced on the Government, placed in Books, and spread in Documents. This is what OWS Wants.

[-] 3 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

People who don't like Larouche are usually just unwilling to face harsh reality, preferring to live in the fantasy world of the mainstream media, which has gotten us to where we are today.


[-] -2 points by Builder (4202) 6 years ago

Lyndon would by 91 years old now.

Here's a snippet from a biography.

In recent years LaRouche has portrayed himself as a conservative, business oriented economist and political analyst. Yet, during his fifteen years of intense political activism, the most conspicuous aspect of his "philosophy" has been that of conspiracy theories laced with anti-Semitism. In a 1978 article in the NCLC publication New Solidarity, LaRouche wrote, "Israel is ruled from London as a zombie-nation" and that Zionism is "the state of selective psychosis through which London manipulates most of the international Jewry." In describing Zionism as "a hideous cult," LaRouche went on to allege that the Nazis "only" killed "about a million and a half" Jews and asserted that Hitler had been put into power largely with the backing of certain Jewish financial interests.


[-] 3 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

Some of the top ranking members in Larouche PAC, such as Jeffrey Steinberg are Jews. Are they anti-semitic as well? Or perhaps just the proverbial "self-hating Jews"?

In reality, they are neither anti-semitic nor self-hating. They just realize that history is not always what it is made out to be.

[-] -2 points by Builder (4202) 6 years ago

We've discussed this before, arturo.

The reality is that Lyndon's reputation seems to precede him.

Like John Pilger, his heart might be in the right place, but his prior stances and opinions resulted in a lasting impression across many spheres of both politics and academia.

[-] 3 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

Its not uncommon for an innocent person to be denounced in the media by the powers that be if he opposes their corruption.

Larouche was sentenced to a jail term of eight years at one point, served four years, than finally was set free when political figures from around the world demanded it.

Ramsey Clark, past US Attorney General, had this to say about it in a letter to Janet Reno:

"I have been an attorney in this case since shortly after the defendants were sentenced in January 1990 and appeared as co- counsel on appeal and on the subsequent motions and appeals in proceedings under 28 U.S. C. sec. 2255 and F.R. Cr.P. Rule 33. I bring this matter to you directly, because I believe it involves a broader range of deliberate and systematic misconduct and abuse of power over a longer period of time in an effort to destroy a political movement and leader, than any other federal prosecution in my time or to my knowledge. Three courts have now condemned the Department's conduct in this prosecutorial campaign. The result has been a tragic miscarriage of justice which at this time can only be corrected by an objective review and courageous action by the Department of Justice."


[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 years ago

Thanks for the info.

Interesting case. Though kept from the public, just like the civil case proving MLK's assassination.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

Yes, indeed so. Lot's of people just write Larouche off without knowing these things.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 6 years ago

He's still very active for a man of his age.

I'll keep a more open mind about his efforts.

The disinformation brigade seems exceptionally good at making people look like truthers/tinfoil hatters.

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

Glad to hear that.

[-] -1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 6 years ago

If any of you pseudo intellectuals had taken the time, you would have found that it was well documented by the nyt on 10/28/93 as the author states: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/28/nyregion/tapes-depict-proposal-to-thwart-bomb-used-in-trade-center-blast.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

[-] 1 points by jrhirsch (4714) from Sun City, CA 6 years ago

Thanks for supplying this very important link.

[-] 1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 6 years ago

No prob. It really pisses me off when some on this forum discredit an article because of the source and NOT because of the content. Guess it takes too much time to verify the content. I try to keep an open mind and not dismiss things out of hand because I don't like/agree with some aspect of the author. But then, I am not a self righteous, holier-than-thou liberal. No one but MA came close to debating the content...this thread is larouche is a jew hater.

[-] -1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 6 years ago

Nope. Alex Jones.


Some people actually accept that crap, and it drives them nuts.



[-] -1 points by justiceforzim (-17) 6 years ago

Eventually. the Boston Marathon will be added to the FBI's book of sins.

How can anyone believe the bros are guilty just because the fbi SAYS they have video of one of them placing their backpack in the area of explosion and then calmly watching the chaos. I want to see these pics/vids.

Does it not strike anyone strange that the FBI had to ask the public to identify someone they had been warned about and even investigated? Doncha think the older bro was on one of their "lists" that would have been studied right after the bombing? Don't you think the facial rec software they have was bounced against the BMV photos and the NSA database?

[-] 2 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 6 years ago

Yeah! Doncha?