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Forum Post: Faster Than You Think

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 21, 2013, 9:05 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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Scientists were wrong!!

It's worse.

"The scientists are wrong, but not the way you think.

As global warming picks up, scientists and researchers are finally coming to grips with just how serious that problem is, and how quickly we’re running out of time to solve it.

For example, when it comes to sea level increases, scientists have notoriously underestimated how fast the waters are rising."

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/18301-climate-change-is-happening-faster-than-you-think

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Perhaps the alarm is in the other link I posted.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/08/five-terrifying-statements-ipcc-report

that really is some scary shit.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You and I know these things and have argued for their acceptance against some true fools around here over these months.

Now it seems we will have to deal with the nihilists.

More fools?

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[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Understood

I find actions in recent times have shown signs of increased involvement.

Vilifying a sell out Dem in Wisconsin.

Aiding in the recall of a GOP in New Hampshire.

Indeed, increased support for what's happening politically, in Wisconsin and Michigan.

And now, putting support for move to amend to a vote. I would vote twinkle!!

Good signs.

To me anarchy was always a long term goal. It's not that don't think it would work, it's that I don't believe mankind is mature enough to make it work.

It will need to morph and change over time to adapt to mankind's abilities..

I also believe that history has shown that pure systems never work.

Adaptability. The ability to adapt to changing conditions in a way efficacious to the 99% is vital.

In the mean time, there is an immediate need to affect the system as it stands.

To do so helps prep the system and the population.

The current need, is to lessen the damage currently being inflicted on the 99%.

Oh and the local nihilists?

Damned if I know.

I just tend to find them confused and off track.

That's why I like to spend some time perusing actual OWS info sites.............:)

It will be fun seeing what comes out of Kalamazoo.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Their level of desperation should be on every front page.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/08/21/louisiana-republicans-party-blaming-obama-katrina.html

They are lost in both time and space these days.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Tell it like it is ZD. People - wake up!!! Those of you who can - start moving out of low lying areas.

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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

And start a cement life-jacket business.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

While you're fiddling.

Other important documents have been leaked.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/08/five-terrifying-statements-ipcc-report

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Let's hope most of Antarctica stays under the ice.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

The biggest issue with CO2 now is that for every gain we make here, we lose 10x over in the third world.

I find it hard though, to consider India and China as third world these days.

From industry to their desire for personal transportation.

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Look to Germany, who's weaned themselves off of fossil fuel and nuclear power generation. in a very short period of time.

I do recall those who came here railing about how that could never work..

The problem at this point are corporations who want to protect their vested interests in selling high carbon fuels. Particularly nasty stuff like that extremely dirty, yet high profit petroleum coke.

Left overs of tar sands refinement.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Wonder what that would do to the wobble at the poles.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I don't want to find out.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Me either.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

How does it make someone in Florida feel to know that the shit is gushing all over, and while working with groups like Greenpeace against a gigantic machine, other people are actively on the phone promoting the person who is accepting BP money more than anyone else in history.

How is that suppose to make someone feel?

Tell me. Your intolerance is astounding. Because through all your threats, and all your visions of blood and guts, I want to know what you think when you envision that situation.

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[-] 4 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

In the great tradition started by Bernie Madoff - riches to rags to prison.

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[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

How do you plan to do that until you denounce those that accept them as viable employers based off of the average person's sweat?

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[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The successful test grounds for the dumbing down of America.

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[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I firmly believe that "mother" nature will be the hidden "saviour" of the planet. Ratcheting up the causes behind climate change, by simply ignoring the warnings, and continuing down the same roads, meaning escalating wars, burning more fossil fuels, refusing to acknowledge a need for more efficient transport, et al, will precipitate even more extreme weather patterns, with severe storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, cyclones, tsunamis, floods, droughts, and the rest of it.

Insurance will become too costly for most to afford, infrastructure repairs will bankrupt many local authorities, food sources will become scarcer, and meanwhile, the corporations will offshore themselves to their tax havens, and kick back for retirement.

Stalemate. Game over.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Is that from your book?

You forgot earthquakes.

When enough ice melts, deformed earth will rebound.

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

I'm writing an historical piece, shooz.

Two years running, Australia saw the monsoon trough extend across all four eastern states and the Australian Capital Territory, all the way down into the roaring forties of the Southern Ocean, to Tasmania. The whole eastern seaboard suffered extensive flooding, all at the same time. This, of course, overextended our emergency services, our health system, and many people are still fighting for "justice" from their insurers. Meaning, no repairs to flood damaged house, or nowhere to live.

City councils, and their associated water boards, are being sued by the insurers, and the whole process is draining funds from taxpayers faster than they can be recouped in taxes.

Now, if it's earthquakes you want to discuss, New Zealand still has cities without even basic services, after many tremors, both large and small. A serious fault-line slip at a critical point would send a tsunami large enough to destroy most of our east coastline, south of Brisbane. Quite possibly, America's west coast as well.

On the ice melting scenario, I'm surprised at the lack of rise in ocean levels. I'm on the coast, and I don't detect any noticable difference at this point.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Time to start taxing or nationalizing natural resources to pay for it.

They'll squeeeel, but it's he best way.

I saw that NZ had one the other day. No major damage thank God.

The way I understand it, your lack of visual confirmation is due to ocean currents.

Although the volume is rising, the currents cause it build up in localized areas. Think Venice, which is particularly vulnerable..

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

The vaunted "Resources Rent Tax" has, to date, netted zero dollars in income for the govt. The argument is that income taxes from the workers pay a lot into the coffers.

NZ has been in recovery mode for about three years. Christchurch is pretty much uninhabitable, and those who could leave, have left.

The moon has more to do with controlling where the waters of our oceans move to. The currents circulate water, but the gravitational pull of the moon is the main mover and shaker in our oceans.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

If I find the study on the currents, I'll link it. It was a while ago that I found it.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

The planet will get rid of us all soon. Theres no other way to save the planet as it stands now.

For every push that a good group makes, theres 10 more clinging to the status quo fucking it all up.

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I guess all those fools who told us the IPCC was wrong, were right, just not the way they thought they were..........;(

Oh.

China isn't waiting.

http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/china-sends-first-merchant-ship-via-arctic-sea-route-130819.htm

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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Can't let a little thing like global warming stand in the way of easier profits.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Waiting for Carnival Cruise to have a North West Titanic moment. Hell they have had disasters everywhere else - haven't they?

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well unless they go under ( funny ) they still have time ( bring in the clowns ).

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

The best thing people can do, as one person, is stop endorsing those that entertain this type of behavior.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Yeah, we wouldn't want to endorse those scientists.

What you don't know can't hurt you.....right?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Count to ten..............and when I open my eyes......................

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

He'll be on about some bullshit to change the conversation away from global warming.

We stayed on target for a while anyway............:)

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

You are psychic =

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (313) 1 minute ago

Which will be more effective, honestly, on an internet platform?

Sowing the seeds of discontent and pointing out the entire paradigm and system of which 99% of us are being repressed by?

Or blaming Republicans?

I mean, honestly, if the second one was the answer, the Dem party would be gaining people, not losing them (same for the Republican party).

The first one is what launched this, made it different than other actions and campaigns. Embrace it. At least stop fighting me at every step of the way.

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Do you think he really believes that there is any republican leadership in office right now?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I believe, he doesn't know what to believe.

It's why he never questions anything. He thinks he already knows. Which must be why he gets so upset when questioned about his beliefs.

I started two nonpolitical threads

He's attempted to politicize, both of them. .

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well he definitely has issues - can't stay on topic about global warming - because he can't admit that there is a large contingent of RINOS standing in the way of making any proper policy on ending the use of fossil fuel.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

It's like he's trying to wind things up for the next election cycle.

I can wait....................................:)

and yeah he has real issues understanding just how bad the GOP has been of late.

How bad they are right now in the States, escapes him completely.

Scares him apparently.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It must be rough when your (his) leanings/party is almost all Corp(se)oRATist.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Who knows, but he sure does politicize everything.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Well if you mean he steadfastly defends the Corp(se......oops....Rep party in office. . . . then - yep.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Soap opera of the banned inc.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

It's one of those? OH-My

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Again, the people you endorse are more corrupt and to the right than anyone I would consider endorsing.

If you want to keep going around lying your ass off, go ahead. Go for it.

And then when the topic of honesty and clarity comes back up tomorrow, lay low.

Have a nice night.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Have a nice night. Try to work on the ability to stay on topic. In this instance - Global Warming and the speed at which it is happening.

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Its hysterical that because the few of you cant stand that someone goes around pointing out corruption, that I must be a Republican.

If we have some regular Republican posters, I'd like to see em. I spun that last one Stormkeeper or whatever in so many circles he simply left.

I'm trying to set the bar a bit higher than "fascsist" or "kinda fascist".

Quite frankly the few of you and your views of whats acceptable in society is more conservative than me on most accounts.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

There is nothing wrong with being conservative - like say conserving the environment - But that has nothing to do with the corp(se)oRATist....... . . . . ......scuse me - Rep party in office.

So will you now be able to get back on topic? GLOBAL WARMING and the unexpected speed at which it is happening.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

WOW 4 DINOS on that vote - it's a conspiracy I tells ya.

Might as well tell folks who you are talking about so that they can take note:

Democrats who joined the Republicans included Sens. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Mark Begich (D-AK), and Jim Webb (D-VA).

You also forgot to laud/applaud these two:

Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) and retiring Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) broke ranks and voted to cut the tax breaks.

So it came down to 45 dems and 2 reps voting to end tax breaks for fossil fuel and 47 RINOS who voted to keep em + 4 dinos

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

And those 4 Dinos are welcomed back with open arms by a bunch of fellow cowards who claim to be liberal.

Same shit, different vote. Always the same bullshit reasons.

Screw em.

Change is going to come. And it wont be by letting people like that slide.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Who wants to let em slide? Not I.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

No I dont. Who would? And why would you assume that out of what I said?

Dont like oil? Stop electing their whores.

[-] 3 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

That's funny as the only time you say such things is after you get called out for supporting ( defending ) the RINOS in office. Now can you get back on topic? GLOBAL WARMING ( in case you forgot ).

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

You cant support Dems OR Reps and claim to truly care about the environment in my book.

If thats too radical for you, too bad. Be happy theres people pushing the envelope further than the usual bunch of patsys.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (22358) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I do not support Dems I do not support Reps. I support issues for the good of the people. It is not my fault if Reps are hard to find supporting issues "FOR" the PEOPLE.

Case in point:

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (320) 39 minutes ago

Heres your 4 coward Dems that should have been thrown out of the party after this:

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/03/29/454789/senate-republicans-protect-big-oil-subsidies-as-their-gasoline-profits-soar/

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How many Rep votes for ending? Two.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

We'll just discuss it and ignore the 800 lb elephant in teh room which is BP funding both sides and people actually believing one of them will save them.

Talk the issues to death. Go for it. At the end of the day it takes action, and your precious Dems are just a bought out as the other ones so you better stop talking the obvious and start putting a real plan together for change.

Or keep repeating the obvious.

You simply dont like someone coming in and pointing out the corruption you endorse out of one side of your mouth while acting all caring out of the other.

And if that makes me unpopular with the die hard party folks then so be it. Because thats whats it going to take.

Nothing will change until the people wake up and realize they have been played.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

I really don't believe you politicized this before Zen did.

Leading

and

Pathetic.

[-] -1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Which will be more effective, honestly, on an internet platform?

Sowing the seeds of discontent and pointing out the entire paradigm and system of which 99% of us are being repressed by?

Or blaming Republicans?

I mean, honestly, if the second one was the answer, the Dem party would be gaining people, not losing them (same for the Republican party).

The first one is what launched this, made it different than other actions and campaigns. Embrace it. At least stop fighting me at every step of the way.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

The scientists dont entertain them. The politicians do.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

No.

They entertain you.

That's why you inject them into everything. This time? Even before ZEN did!

Huzzah for you!

We were concerning ourselves with what's happening.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

If he was concerned he wouldnt be such an adamant supporter of those who take the money and such an adamant hateful person.

Enough is enough with em.

If reminding people every turn that they need to stop endorsing the people who keep it going is what is needed, then that is what is needed.

They have moved on from us. We are no longer relevant. Its time we came to the same conclusion rather than tugging at their robes as they shoosh us away.

A closed door has two sides you know?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Somehow, I couldn't find a word concerning global warming in that.

It's always back to the soap opera.

The only thing I see closed here is your mind, and it goes 'round and' round..

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

I dont like the oil companies. Neither do you two. The difference is that I dont humor those that take their money for campaigns.

And I really have a problem with those who act all environmental while electing Democrats (or the random idiot who elects Republicans).

If you care about the environment.... THEN STOP ELECTING THEM.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Still nothing?

Still on a political bent?

I'm really not in the mood.

You should start a political thread about it.