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Forum Post: Fascism/Corportism is NEITHER R of L

Posted 8 years ago on April 28, 2012, 9:40 a.m. EST by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL
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Ok, so just search "Republican" in the bar at the top. You can clearly see this site is vastly made of of left wingers. Which is fine, it is what it is.

But when so many claim that the corporatism we have is a result of the right, they are only half way there. The left is just as guilty.

Conservatives want little regulation on business. They end up with zero for the multinationals, and way too much for the little guys.

Liberals want the gov to step in and correct things. They end up with the gov only stepping on the little guy, and instead partnering with the multi nationals.

Neither side is happy right now. Conservatives do NOT want the government joining forces with multinationals, distorting the free market, and picking winners and losers.

Liberals do NOT want multinationals to be given a free pass, and certainly dont want the gov partnering up with them to make them more powerful.

Each is to blame, for falling asleep at the wheel. Corporatism/Fascism is a perversion of each side, taking the worst aspects of it, and distorting it further for the top .01%. It is neither right or left, but it dominates both.

Examples: Conservatives passing Medicare Part D. Giving Big Pharma a huge handout. Gov partnering with a multinational, with no price controls.

Obamacare- a huge handout to insurance companies, with no price controls.

Oil subsidies- usually a right thing, but the Senate voting it down 51-47, thus further proving lobbyists run both parties.

Bank Bailouts- Huge handout to the banking cartel. Simply print a trillion and hand it over. Outrageous.

Corporate bailouts- more of the same. Some huge multinationals get the cash, others are stuck trying to work through it.

I really wish people here would wake up to the fact that BOTH sides are pissed at this corporatism.



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[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

Corporatism=Neolibe(R)tarianism=the new improved fascism.

Look deeply enough to find the lobbies, think tanks and front groups that actually pushed all of this legislation.

Look in the States to find it's tap roots.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Its a globalist format, it knows no bounds. At the heart of all of it is the banks and fed reserve. Its the reason we are taking over other nations, and supressing our own.

Im still not sure what the difference between libertarianism and neolibertarianism is. Perhaps the neos arent accepting of social libertarian issues like legalizing pot and gay marriage?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

Find the difference by observing the actions of the founders.

You do understand that it's founders were oil corporation execs?

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 8 years ago

Are you calling NeoCons NeoLibertarians?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

That may very well be the case, but there are some among the dems too.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Banking cartel trumps oil cartel every time. Why do you think the petro dollar is still around? Follow the money. Not saying that oil guys arent huge in it, or even that its the same club. Just saying that at the very top of this fucked up global takeover is the money.

Im apparently not familiar with what you are talking about. Can you explain further, the difference between the two?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

They are both the same. It's the club we can't can't be in.

Must I tell again to really observe the actions of ALEC?

To pay attention to what's happening in the States, including yours?

Is that the Libertarianism you believe in?

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

No, because its pretty far from libertarianism. Its pretty far from right and left too.

Carlin: "Its a special little club, and YOU aint in it!!"...Love that guy.

So are you saying it starts at the state levels, and goes upwards towards national policy? Because I kind of think it starts at the top, and makes it way down (dont you dare now say Im a trickle down guy :)

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

Yet it is the real libertarianism.

Founded by oil corporation execs. Did you expect them to be truthful?

Yes it starts VERY deep on the State level.

Once again. Observe the actions of ALEC, funded by libertarians and pushing it's founders true ideals.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Please go take the legislation I posted to some libertarain meetups and ask them what they think.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

Your "friends" are the libertarians.

The REAL party are the Neolibe(R)tarians.

The REAL neolibe(R)tarians have backed neoliberal economics at every turn.

That's where the illusion that they are all the same comes from.

Look at the States!!!

The neolibe(R)tarians back ALEC to the hilt!!

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

There is no doubt they do. Does ALEC back these wars too? Or the US bailing out Europe?

[-] 3 points by shoozTroll (17632) 8 years ago

ALEC itself? No. ALEC works primarily in the States.

Don't fool yourself, the Neolibertarians do support these "wars" ( they aren't wars, but I'm not going to argue that here.), as they own and operate the corporations that are profiting from it. Which gives them more money for ALEC.

Bailing out Europe? That's far too complex to get into here. though you could and should consider that derivatives were sold all over the World.

Shut down the "wars" tomorrow?

As much as I'd love to see it, consider that it would mean an instant economic depression with the economy still in recession.

Pretty good set up for the neolibertarians , eh?

They get to blame what you call the "duopoly" either way.

[-] -1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Libertarians dont approve of government intervention in the free market. At all. The ones I know want little regulation, and next to no gov intervention.

Govs and corps working together to squeeze out the little guys does not fit into that.

Do you have any links I can check out?

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 8 years ago

Many hardcore Libertarians are anarchists at heart, either left or right leaning.

[-] 2 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Take the above legislation, and go to a Tea Rally and ask them how they feel about it.

And before you start bitching about fat old people, and confederate flags, and what not....Put your emotions in a can. Close it. You cannot have a discussion about this stuff when you get all hyped up.

Shove your emotions aside. Go investigate. See for yourself. I tell the Tea the same thing about OccupyTampa. Go, see for yourself. See how bad the media has molested the image.

Eh......Im wasting my time. This is America. We dont investigate for ourselves.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

Actually fascism is far right


[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

Not with the conservatives I talk to. Im not sure where this forum got the notion that they can make all these assumptions, when they clearly arent listening to the people.

Go ask a tea party about how they feel about the above mentioned legislation.

There you will find your answer. Because the uneducated on the right are pretty sure that Liberalism is what has led to all this fascist bullshit. This misnomer is played by both sides, by media, for a reason. They are both guilty.

[-] 2 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago

no, I mean by definition. I don't think we can categorize what our government is currently engaged in as fascism. It's actually a collection of worst of the worst aspect of all forms of government types. The presidential order is being used in a dictatorial fashion, the financial sector and large companies are seen as important to state security which falls under fascism, and the relationship between the private sector and congress resulting in control over the population and handout to the private sector from government is corporate socialism. The cumulative effect on society and endless war is a mix of all those things in a death-stomp exuberance.


[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 8 years ago

"death-stomp exuberance" I freakin love this!!

Don't forget we are also using a certain race of people to blame things on and further take away our rights.

[-] 1 points by richardkentgates (3269) 8 years ago



[-] 1 points by arturo (3169) from Shanghai, Shanghai 8 years ago

Fascism is a component of imperialism. While imperialism has existed for thousands of years, some think there are no empires left today. Today's empire is a financial empire, with its headquarters in the City of London's financial district and branch office on Wall Street. To learn more about Wall Streets role in financing Fascism, read professor Sutton's online book:

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/