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Forum Post: Expose my company

Posted 3 years ago on Dec. 19, 2011, 6:56 p.m. EST by disheartened (12)
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Does anyone know of a website where you can expose your company's greed? The company I work for has been making record profits for the past three years, but has not given any raises in that amount of time. Also, they have been mandating extreme overtime so they don't have to hire new employees. I think it would be great to have a centralized place where we can post the CEO and/or owner's email address and everyone can let them know that they are aware of their unacceptable business practices.

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[-] 3 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 3 years ago

How do you know they are making record profits? Our company has had an big increase in sale but margins are low and the company was losing money for three years in a row. They borrowed money to keep the business running during the recession. They are still paying that off. So while it appears they are making a ton of money when actually they are not. Also, most of us like the overtime, especially this time of year.

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

I know because we have quarterly meetings.

[-] 2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 3 years ago

I would be interested to know in business you are in. It is amazing that your three years of record profits are during this three year recession. Everyone else has been hanging on by a thread.

Why do you not like overtime. You can make more than most management folks with overtime.

[-] 0 points by bereal (235) 3 years ago

Maybe you suck at your job and they don't have the heart to fire you.

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 3 years ago

sounds like bullshit to me

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 3 years ago

Ok here's a thought. You take your information and go to the news station.

[-] 1 points by elpinio (213) 3 years ago

If you don't like your job, quit. No one ever forced you to work.

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

Well of course we're forced to work, so we can pay our bills and take care of our families. Who else is going to pay for that?

[-] 1 points by elpinio (213) 3 years ago

No, forced work ended with slavery buddy.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 3 years ago

Start your own business. Become an independent contractor. Work for people you like. As long as you don't violate your own set of personal ethics, it doesn't matter how you make a living, and it doesn't matter how much or how little money you make. Face the truth for once. Either you value the almighty dollar than your own spiritual well-being, or you have sold your soul to the devil for money

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Who else SHOULD pay for that is the real question?? I am happy that you have a job.

For some reason, after 45 years of working, I was never "forced" to do so, Would you be free from the forced work if you did not have bills to pay and a family??

Be honest when you answer that question - if it was just you, would your personal "wants" and "needs" force you to work.

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

Even if I was single, I would still have to work to support myself. Everyone has either rent or a mortgage. You need to buy food. You need healthcare. I think you're in fantasy land if you think people don't have to work for a living.

[-] 0 points by karenpoore (902) 3 years ago

Ignore them... I know exactly what you are talking about. I know there are not enough jobs in America for everyone and I am sure you have looked for another job that pays the same ... I suspect they are not there.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

That was not my point at all. I am almost 70 and I still have to work every day. I cannot say that I am forced to do so. I got bills and a family too but I could just gamble that my lifetime savings would last me out through my final days - I just choose not to gamble that way when I still enjoy working every day.

It seems that there are a lot of people in this country that have decided that they no longer have freedom of choice because that choice would not give them what they want. If you want a family and want them supported that is exercising your freedom of choice and is NOT anyone elses' fault that you consider your self forced to work. You made the choice - you have a job - so what is the problem.

My point is this, are you forced to do so??

It is really your choice to make if you are (in theory) single, is it not. If you take on a family and debts, you may think you are forced to work - but that force comes from your family and your debts, not from ME.

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

I'm not asking the government or the taxpayer to give me freebies. I just want companies to treat their employees fairly. Three years ago, our company laid off about 13 workers and then, instituted a pay freeze. That was acceptable at that time, since we were losing money every quarter. But since then, we have doubled our profits and yet there is still a pay freeze.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Up front, I agree not fair. But I think in all fairness we still have to look at the bigger picture of that company - at what point do they recover their losses from the period three years ago where they were losing moneys.

If you had a choice of jobs today and those choices were K-Mart at $12.50 an hour and Wal-Mart at $9.50 which job would you accept if you know you would need to hold that job for a minimum of two years to survive??

[-] 0 points by karenpoore (902) 3 years ago

You have heard the saying "You get what you put out"? Don't worry they will get what is coming to them sooner or later. There are a lot of trolls on this forum who are still living in la la land.

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 3 years ago

it is called wage/debt slavery don't act like you don't know your head from your ass fool....

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

blackbloc - me again of course - your constant "fool".

Now you tell me - you are sitting right there in front of your monitor and I just did one of the following:

  1. I smiled at you using the face on my head. or

  2. I just mooned you with the other end

Which was it?? You are not any more in the dark about what just happened that I am about the following:

So please tell this fool exactly when did the term: wage/debt slavery enter into the English language with the meaning attached. Is this something new to the language and where can I get the proper definition.

You see, I have about as much understanding of your terms as you do of mine:

You use a term like: wage/debt and call me a fool

I use a term like: digeese bilagonna - but I don't call you a fool.

[-] 1 points by commonsense11 (195) 3 years ago

blackbloc- Wah Wah Wah. Start a business of you own, hire workers then get back to us about your pay and benefit structure. When you are able to run a large international company and have actually done it then perhaps what you have to say will mean something.

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 3 years ago

how about me and my friends just take over and feed you and your kind to the wolves......

[-] 1 points by commonsense11 (195) 3 years ago

Never happen. You and your friends are part of the entitled generation and despised by hard working individuals. We won't allow it.

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 3 years ago

there are way more of us than there are of you, many are veterans of afghanistan and iraq are highly trained and don't like you.

[-] 0 points by karenpoore (902) 3 years ago

AND what business would you suggest that can compete with big business ... uh, like Walmart? What if you do not want to run a LARGE international company, but instead just an HONEST "mom & pop" store? Can't be done anymore ...

[-] 1 points by commonsense11 (195) 3 years ago

I own a small business competing with large businesses. I provide superior service and actually care about my customers. I'm rewarded with a stable customer base. I'm not rich and don't have everything I want but I do have everything I need.

[-] 0 points by karenpoore (902) 3 years ago

Good for you ... really. Service and caring are in short numbers these days. What kind of business do you have and can you suggest other businesses that people can research? Much appreciated ...

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Well, why didn't you just up front everything instead of making me look like your fool.

So you are a socialist or anarchist or both and that is your point of view. So what were you so ashamed about that you didn't just spit it out - or is your real purpose in life to create "fools"

Job well done by the way.

YOUR FOOL

[-] 1 points by Frizolio (80) 3 years ago

Sounds good in theory but recent history shows whistle blowers usually get the short stick. You should be thankful you have a job. I suffer the same thing at my job and chose not to bite the hand that feeds me.

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

That's exactly what our company tells us. They know that there are not a lot of jobs out there, so they are taking advantage of that. When we tell upper management that morale is very low and people are tired and fed up, they say "well, there's no one quitting, so it can't be that bad".

[-] 1 points by CatLady2 (248) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Does your company pay for your health insurance? If so, thats where your raise is, as the costs have skyrocketed.

[-] 1 points by Frizolio (80) 3 years ago

Im working 70+ hours a week and Im burned out. Im saving my money and moving on when I can. Maybe to a different country. Nobodies quitting because most the jobs left are minimum wage even for College educated or those with experience. The Occupiers caused us to work Saturday because they shut down some ports in Portland. Thanks guys.

[-] -1 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Frizolio

Sorry you got hurt by the protesters but it was just another case of them calling for someone else to pay for the costs of their actions. Nothing has changed in 3 months. They have all the fun, and you pay for their fun like all the rest of have done for 3 months.

BUT, they sure did scare the hell out of those big owners of the ports didn't they - DID YOU get your money's worth out of the exchange OR did you pay twice for their fun??

If you paid twice (once by having to work Saturday, and again by not getting any advantage from their fun) if layman's terms, you got screwed twice in the same day.

[-] 0 points by elpinio (213) 3 years ago

I agree with your company. Supply and demand. You're not entitled to more than you're worth. Don't suffer the entitlement mentality of the herd. Work harder and you'll do well.

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

I totally agree with the founder of a company earning what he is worth. After all, he took the risk to start the company. However, at some point, the exploitation of his employees for personal gain becomes excessive. Do you honestly think everyone is paid what they're worth? In the past 3 years, energy costs have doubled, and groceries have gone up a lot. A company should at least provide a cost of living increase every year.

[-] 1 points by elpinio (213) 3 years ago

No should not need to provide any increase. If you are valuable and the company is scared that you will leave, it will give you an increase. But it doesn't owe you any increase. If you disagree, find another job.

[-] 1 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

A cost of living payment - out of WHAT cash pot. You have to remember that the owner is now already paying double to heat your work place for you, and I would assume that his groceries went up too - how about the cost of raw goods for whatever you manufacture, how about transportation costs to get the stuff to you to work with and then transporting it out of the plant. Diesel fuel is not exactly 99 cents a gallon any more either.

Maybe a company should provide a cost of living increase, but only if your costs go up and the company's do not.

Please examine the big picture that you are a part of and see what it looks like from several angles before you go for the jugular vein.

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

Hello, I'm not sure you understand. Our company's profits have doubled in the past 3 years. I'm talking about net profit, after all expenses have been paid, which includes what you are talking about.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

So why do you think that you deserve a share of that increased profit. DID you agree to take responsibility of your share if the company lost money that year.

Life is more give and take that you might think. So your company makes a profit and you come around with your hand out for your share. Your company suffers a loss and you smirk in the background because you feel that they are getting what they deserve. Is the way it works with your company.

Most large companies that I am familiar with hold large cash reserves for this very reason. They KNOW that lean times will come and in order to keep that business operating they have to be able to cover those years and continue your salary even when they in effect are losing money by doing so.

This whole business thing is NOT some short sighted operation that you can apply your reasoning to on an at the MOMENT basis.

I just put $5,000 of my life's savings into my business in order to keep it profitable during the month of December and to make bonus payments to employees who really needed then and deserved them. If I expected my employees to make up that loss this month-it would have simply been a wash for them and a "bad year" in their mind.

I only hope that we can pull together and next month make a good profit so that I can at least recover what I lost to keep my employees working and faithful to our efforts to produce a good product.

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

Obviously, if the company was not doing well, our raise would be lower or there would not be one. That is acceptable. But to not give any raises during record breaking profit years is NOT acceptable, especially since the employees have been working 50-60 hours a week to make that possible. Normal employees are pretty reasonable. If their company is not doing well, I think they are willing to sacrifice for the benefit of the company. However, when the company is doing well, I think they deserve at least a yearly raise. Yes, they could always leave the company if they are not satisfied. But in today's environment. they can't, and businesses are definitely taking advantage of that.

[-] 1 points by elpinio (213) 3 years ago

Sure, it's acceptable. You accept it - you are still working there. If you really think it is unfair and you are a valuable commodity, you would have left for a higher-paying company.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Are you my any chance missing a (some) from your last sentence.

Why is any problem automatically a condemnation of everything that it applies to in the general sense of the word. Don't tell me that my business is taking advantage of that because it really pisses me off to hear you put me down like that in your catagory of businesses doing something or the other.

Would you like it if I isolated out my poorest employee and said that: "employees are definitely of a very poor quality these days and are way over paid for what they produce".

You either level out the playing field or you play alone here.

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

I'm not putting you down at all. I find it commendable that you used some of your money to give bonuses to your employees, and I'm sure that they appreciate that. I only wish that my company was as generous.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

But I would assume that if we make $5,000 next month, those same employees are not going to feel bad if I do not share any of that with them.

This is my point.

This same reasoning is being used against the "big oil" guys today. But it is only fair to say that they are rolling in the profits, if we can take a serious look at their profit and loss statements over a longer period of time (say the last 10 years) and see where they really stand regarding the issue of profits.

I know that this all sounds kinda stupid at times. It is stupid only in the sense that that company probably has and will have a life that far exceeds you own. This means that they have to be concerned with a much greater period of time that do you as a wage earner. Your concerns may cover a period of a year or even more in your case but somewhere upstairs in that company is a 5yr, a 10 yr and perhaps a 25yr plan for their continued existence.

If that company has an existing life of 50 years and they have been nothing but predatory during those 50 years, I would not even make it an issue in my life - I would get out as soon as I could because that is probably not going to change regardless of what anything thinks is fair.

That is the very reason why some companies have applicants flocking to their doors and others are out recruiting all the time.

This applies to life in general and to any enterprise. If you are not doing well financially - I would bet that you do not get an offer from a credit card company every day - preapproved etc. If you are doing well, you have to take the trash out every other day just to keep from getting buried in those offers.

I was in charge of a school of 800 students for 10 years and we never advertised or recruited students for one minute. All the surrounding schools were out all summer trying to sign up students for the fall. You do know why don't you??

Today I operate a business with NO advertising budget. And prior to this one, from 1985 to the present another business that had no advertising budget. We simply treated our customers and employees fairly and we served each other in all that we did. Word of mouth was our advertisement and it still is.

I regret the continued loss of this type of life and way of treating others. It stems from my growing up in an area where we never locked the doors to our home. I did not have a house key for the first 20 years of my life and neither did anyone else. That has all changed now. It is very sad - but is beyond anyones control.

[-] -2 points by blackbloc (-19) 3 years ago

all you do is make excuses for businesses that treat their employees like shit. and try to come up with reasons why that is ok and why nothing should change you are a fucking idiot and people like you are what is wrong with this country...go read some more ayn rand freak...

[-] 0 points by karenpoore (902) 3 years ago

ditto!

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

We do have definite differences about what is wrong with the country. You gave your reasons in your post above - thank you.

AND at the same time, you gave the perfect example of by reasons. I could not have said it better. Thanks for saving all the type it would have taken me to type that vulgar message.

[-] -1 points by blackbloc (-19) 3 years ago

go kiss some elitist ass my former wording was perhaps a bit harsh

[-] 1 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Don't need to point that out. Sometimes people speak out of line but seldom write out of line.

I think you said exactly and expressed exactly what you meant and how you meant it. That is the difference between speaking and writing. Once spoken it is not erasable. Once written there is still time to erase.

Why waste so much of your time dealing with me, am I that important to you that you would post your entire statement 50 minutes ago that was only about me and not any point that would benefit anyone much less me.

Kick your dog, does that make you feel better somehow. You are not a teacher in any sense of the word - you are a judge without wisdom.

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 3 years ago

meh you bore me

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Hang around. I am the one who is capable of endless boring.

If you get to liking it TOO much, I will kick you out though.

[-] 1 points by censoredbyOWS (21) 3 years ago

After all he had the money to take the risk. Gimme some money, I'll take the same risk. The day of self start ups is over. Wealth is inherited. If your parents were without money and you weren't Wylie Coyote, odds are you don't have college. The tool of the rich subsidized on our backs.

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 3 years ago

you have no balls...

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[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 3 years ago

no guts....

[-] 0 points by economicallydiscardedcitizen (761) 3 years ago

I tried finding one where this was a specialty but was unable to find one, lots of places where people could rant about companies though.

Most of the time what is at issue is ethics and I found this among my searches:

http://businessethicsblog.com/2010/10/12/wall-street-1987-greed-is-good/

I just re-watched the original 1987 film, Wall Street. (The sequel, Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps, is in theatres now, and apparently doing very well.)

In the original Wall Street, Michael Douglas’s character, Gordon Gekko, is a corporate raider — essentially, he buys up underperforming companies, breaks them up and sells their parts at a healthy profit. What drives him? Greed, pure and simple. In one scene, Gekko appears at the annual shareholders’ meeting being held by Teldar Paper. Gekko owns shares, but wants more. He wants control of the company, though his motives for doing so are hidden. It is there that he delivers the speech that includes the movie’s most famous line. “Greed,” he tells the shareholders of Teldar, “is good.”

That line is the only thing a lot of people alive in the 80′s remember about Wall Street. And that’s a shame.

Here’s Gordon Gekko’s famous “Greed is good” speech, in its entirety:

Teldar Paper, Mr. Cromwell, Teldar Paper has 33 different vice presidents each earning over 200 thousand dollars a year. Now, I have spent the last two months analyzing what all these guys do, and I still can’t figure it out. One thing I do know is that our paper company lost 110 million dollars last year, and I’ll bet that half of that was spent in all the paperwork going back and forth between all these vice presidents. The new law of evolution in corporate America seems to be survival of the unfittest. Well, in my book you either do it right or you get eliminated. In the last seven deals that I’ve been involved with, there were 2.5 million stockholders who have made a pretax profit of 12 billion dollars. Thank you. I am not a destroyer of companies. I am a liberator of them! The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much.

The first thing to note about this speech is how little of it is actually about greed — roughly the last third of the speech. The first two thirds is a critique (disingenuous, as it happens, but not therefore off-target) of the complacency of overpaid corporate executives. Gekko is advising Teldar’s shareholders that the people responsible for protecting their interests — Teldar’s executives and Board — have been doing a bad job.

How does that first part relate to the final third of the speech, the part about greed being good? Well, it’s worth noting that when Gekko first uses the word “greed,” he does so “for lack of a better word.” And Gekko, one-dimensional character that he is, probably does lack a better word for it. For him, it really is greed — theunseemly and excessive love of money. But Teldar’s shareholders don’t need personally to embrace greed in the Gordon Gekko sense. All they need to do is to see that their interests are not being served well, and to understand that Gekko’s own greed is likely to serve them better: he wants to make a killing on the Teldar deal, and if they let him do so, they’ll all make a little money themselves, along the way. His greed is good for them.

Is Gekko’s greed a good thing over all? Well, Gekko says nothing, in his speech, about the interests of other stakeholders in Teldar Paper, stakeholders such as the company’s employees for example. If Gekko breaks up the company, shareholders may benefit but employees will lose jobs. That’s a bad thing, but it’s also sometimes inevitable. Not all companies should stay in business.

No, greed is not good. But the point — the grain of truth in Gordon Gekko’s Machiavellian speech — is that if shareholders allow executives and Boards to operate inefficiently, rather than using what little power they have to improve their lot, then they are suckers, being taken for a ride. And there’s no particular virtue in that.

[-] 0 points by nolongerasleep (57) from Cleveland, OH 3 years ago

There are a lot of brainwashed people in here on both sides. It seems to be all over the forum. And yet you wonder why you all get treated like shit by the elite.

You are all easy to manipulate.

btw, I was in the same situation as disheartened. I quit the job, blew the whistle and moved on. Supply and demand goes both ways. They pay what YOU allow them to pay. Without YOU there isn't a company. If you save money then you can afford to remind your company who is the real boss.

[-] 0 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 3 years ago

Quit and get another job.

[-] 0 points by Shule (2246) 3 years ago

Try Wikileaks....

[-] 0 points by blackbloc (-19) 3 years ago

you and your fellow employees should walk out in protest

[-] 0 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 3 years ago

YES! Great idea.. Post it here or create your own website: how about, www.americaisbrokeandexhaustedandwearenotgoingtotakeitanymore.com

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[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

Great idea - but - please post the name of the judge in the case. After all that would only be fair that if you want to "out" this company, you identify who exactly is passing the judgement in the case.

You may very well be correct in your statement, but just telling us that you are "disheartened" does not tell us that you are not the CEO of the competition trying to bolster your own company's reputations by smearing your competition.

This could lead to some pretty interesting law suits in a short amount of time - BEWARE of anyone posting things that they cannot prove across the vastness of the internet.

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

Unfortunately, posting my name could very well cost me my job. There needs to be some anonymous way of doing this.

[-] 0 points by ronjj (-241) 3 years ago

But how can you in all fairness remain anonymous and not keep the other half of the equation anonymous too.

You may have to just report it to the Fair Labor Standards Board and take your lumps as they come. After all that was an board set up for your protection NOT something that your employer asked for.

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[-] -1 points by turak (-812) 3 years ago

why don't you quit and THEN blow the whistle on them? Then you won't have anything left to be afraid of. Face it: you 're a slave afraid of losing his slave job. As long as you continue to work for your master you'll continue to be a wimp

[-] 1 points by disheartened (12) 3 years ago

You are right, I am a slave to a slave job. Unfortunately, I can't quit because I have a family to support. And I will not be able to get another job that pays the same in this environment.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 3 years ago

Horsepoo That excuse is bullshit.

You have a choice: do what is right and be able to look at yourself in the mirror, or lose your own self-respect and also lose the respect of your wife and your children

I was a slave wage for years. Now when I do an estimate and I find out I don't like the people I'm writing the estimate for: I refuse to work for them. I lose money but I keep my self-respect.

On the other side: now I only work for people I like... Do you know how many times I get tipped extra every year? Extra: just because they like my work so much they want to show their appreciation. I go away feeling GOOD about my work, and they feel good too. No ulcers, no headaches and a clean conscience and my self-respect intact. You have no idea of how good everything is when you work with people you actually like and who like you. Suddenly everything runs smoothly, everyone feels good, everyone's on the same page, you're smiling, enjoying being alive. Suddenly working becomes fun, not a chore

Do you have any idea of how good you feel when you can tell ANYONE you don't like to go fuck themselves? It's called INDEPENDENCE. You don't know that feeling because you're still work for slave drivers. If you EVER have the guts to work for yourself, you'll never go back.

[-] 0 points by bereal (235) 3 years ago

"Do you have any idea of how good you feel when you can tell ANYONE you don't like to go fuck themselves?"

Turak, you must be in a constant state of euphoria!

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 3 years ago

Try it. You might stop being a spineless little scared fucking wimp and become a man instead of a baby.

[-] 0 points by bereal (235) 3 years ago

Do you swear at your grand kids like that too?

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 3 years ago

none of your fucking business freak

first tell me about your family

open up you fucking scared little fucking rabbit, or I will kick your sorry little fucking ass all the way back to China.

[-] 0 points by bereal (235) 3 years ago

So the answer is "yes". I'll bet you are a lonely old man, turak.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 3 years ago

I know you are a miserable LONELY freak. Where is your family, freak?

[-] 0 points by bereal (235) 3 years ago

15 feet away. Extended family within an hour's drive and I see them all often. And when I do see them, I don't swear at them.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 3 years ago

Extended? You're a lonely little liar. Sitting alone in your isolation chamber. With nobody to talk to but strangers on the internet. None of them want to talk to you because they only exist in your imagination. Keep on surfing the web troll.

[-] 0 points by bereal (235) 3 years ago

Isn't all that EXACTLY what you are doing? LOL

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 3 years ago

No. I have something to say that is worth listening to. Thank you for exposing yourself as a stinking lying troll.

[-] 0 points by bereal (235) 3 years ago

Here is a Christmas present for you, Turac.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26UA578yQ5g

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 3 years ago

you have nothing to say goodbye

[-] 0 points by bereal (235) 3 years ago

Do it! Turak did it and look how well he turned out!